OMG!! Must read. Sony exec claims Buffy idea wasnt Joss!

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UPDATED: Monday, March 7, 2005 18:06
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BATMARLOWE

Sunday, March 6, 2005 5:05 AM

At a Q and A at the 2003 ComicCon I asked Joss if he saw Buffy as being a character like other heroic characters (Zorro, Tarzan) as having a life beyond him. He said he did and that he had always intended that for Buffy. So if that's going to happen then someday we will see other actresses play Buffy in stories written by people with no direct connection to Joss.

11THHOUR

Sunday, March 6, 2005 7:40 AM

Okay it's a fake article, but some of it reflected attitudes that are prevelant in Hollywood. This is the stuff that really grated my cheese...

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-- and asked to submit ’Joss Whedon-type material’,"

And...

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They wanted something ’Whedonesque’ but didn’t really give me any details about what the project was."

Oh, they want, "I can't believe it's NOT Whedon!"

There have already been shows that attempt to do an "Imitation Joss" and all they accomplish is to provide proof of how good Joss really is. They may be able to emmulate some of the forms, but the soul ain't there...

I realize show biz is business, but I just get so annoyed when the talents of truly creative, gifted people are treated like a product you can do a knock-off of.

11thHour

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DIETCOKE

Sunday, March 6, 2005 5:27 PM

It really is Joss that makes things work. I was so excited to learn about "Point Pleasant" because Jane wrote and produced it, but I hated the show. David Fury's episodes of "Lost" are good, but not Joss quality. He truely is in a league of his ownself.

SAMWIBATT

Sunday, March 6, 2005 5:47 PM

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There have already been shows that attempt to do an "Imitation Joss" and all they accomplish is to provide proof of how good Joss really is. They may be able to emmulate some of the forms, but the soul ain't there...

I imagine the poor writers they tap for things like this might even be capable of some really good stuff - but the requirement that it be like someone else's work hurts it. Even worse, they don't want it to be Joss-like, they want it to fit some suit's idea of what Joss-like is.

In the video game business I worked for a company that was a dedicated cloner of ideas. They kept trying to take ideas from popular Japanese games, and "improve" them by setting them in some grungy version of the worst parts of New York. They kept insisting that the Japanese stuff was good but it'd be "better" if it just weren't so darn Japanese. Their ideas of improving stuff killed any charm the games had, every single time. I bet it's like this with Joss-cloning.

It happens whenever U.S. TV people try to import British shows, too. They have to set them in New York, dumb them down, and make them all "edgy". It gets really annoying.

TLACOOK

Sunday, March 6, 2005 7:00 PM

Point Pleasant is Marti's baby. Jane is working with Tim on The Inside.

And I have to disagree about Fury on Lost. This last episode "numbers" was written by Fury and was beyond amazing. Definitely as good (if not better) than many Buffy or Angel episodes.

DIETCOKE

Sunday, March 6, 2005 7:44 PM

Oops, your right, I stand corrected, I ment Marti. I missed last week's episode of Lost so I can't speak to that one, but I did see one of his earlier episodes.

LISTER

Sunday, March 6, 2005 8:37 PM

So let me get this right. They were going to make a future Buffy the VAMPIRE SLAYER with no vampires to slay? Everyone's friends and get along great. That sounds interesting...for about FIVE MINUTES!

Run to the Tower, and call out the Magus
If he has caused this, we'll tear out his pages
Throw him in shackles, AND REMOVE HIS HANDS!
- Red Horse Rainbow, CLUTCH

DIETCOKE

Sunday, March 6, 2005 8:53 PM

Just when you think you KNOW how stupid TV execs are they turn around and drop to a new low....

DIETCOKE

Sunday, March 6, 2005 8:53 PM

Just when you think you KNOW how stupid TV execs are they turn around and drop to a new low....

11THHOUR

Monday, March 7, 2005 7:29 AM

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Originally posted by SamWibatt:
I imagine the poor writers they tap for things like this might even be capable of some really good stuff - but the requirement that it be like someone else's work hurts it. Even worse, they don't want it to be Joss-like, they want it to fit some suit's idea of what Joss-like is.

Excellent points... and the last one makes me think of a writer trying to work while wearing TWO straight jackets.

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In the video game business I worked for a company that was a dedicated cloner of ideas. They kept trying to take ideas from popular Japanese games, and "improve" them by setting them in some grungy version of the worst parts of New York. They kept insisting that the Japanese stuff was good but it'd be "better" if it just weren't so darn Japanese. Their ideas of improving stuff killed any charm the games had, every single time. I bet it's like this with Joss-cloning.

A classic example of folks who "don't get it". But then people who are dedicated to copying most likely lack the "personal software" to really understand what makes something work.

Now, in the hands of bright, creative people, it is possible to do an homage, or come up with a new take on an existing idea. But for it to work, it has to bring something new and imaginative to the table.

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It happens whenever U.S. TV people try to import British shows, too. They have to set them in New York, dumb them down, and make them all "edgy". It gets really annoying.

Oh yeah, you got that right. I'm a big fan of British shows and on the occasions I've seen previews of the American incarnation, well I remember groaning and knowing the poor mutant will have a short, awkward, painful, life...

Joss Whedon - Accept No Imitations.

11thHour

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