IRAN: Trump's war?
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Trump: “I’m attacking Iran because they have nuclear weapons.”
Why don’t you attack North Korea?
Trump: “Are you crazy? They have nuclear weapons.”
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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COPIED FROM ONE OF THE MANY OTHER THREADS ABOUT IRAN
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Vance says U.S. 'not at war with Iran, we're at war with Iran's nuclear program'
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/vance-says-us-no
t-war-iran-re-war-irans-nuclear-program-rcna214329
Wow, and he thinks hair-splitting is going to protect us?
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger
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This was posted in 2007
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The details of his study of negotiation options with Iran are classified, but Bueno de Mesquita says that the broad outline is that there is nothing the United States can do to prevent Iran from pursuing nuclear energy for civilian power generation. The more aggressively the U.S. responds to Iran, he says, the more likely it is that Iran will develop nuclear weapons. The upshot of the study, Bueno de Mesquita argues, is that the international community needs to find out if there is a way to monitor civilian nuclear energy projects in Iran thoroughly enough to ensure that Iran is not developing weapons.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=31276
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That [radioactivecloud circling the earth] is NOT what would happen if Iran bombed an American Uranium enrichment site,
And you know this ... how?
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Probably no major military damage but major geopolitical damage
The Iranian National Nuclear Security System Center confirmed the attack, but stated that no signs of radioactive contamination or leaks had been detected during emergency inspections at the affected facilities. The International Atomic Energy Agency later also said that no increase in radiation levels had been reported in Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan. I assume that the attack was not successful. Al Mayadeen ‘s correspondent in Tehran also reported that initial findings contradict the US account and confirm that only external areas such as gates and fencing were hit. The superficial damage was negligible and would not affect further uranium enrichment. (Source: Professor Seyed M. Marandi – here and here)
Fortunately we don't have to rely on Iranian sources, as there are radiation sniffers all around the globe which detect underground nuclear tests and well as nuclear accudents
Quote:Too true. A real negotiator needs to protect his/her credibility. Whatever credibility Trump had, he zeroed his account in the past two weeks
Contrary to Trump’s bluster, the military strike therefore achieved nothing, apart from the fact that the American president completely removed himself from the game diplomatically.
Trump already had a hand in the “Spiderweb” attack, the drone strike against [some strategic] targets in Russia, and lied about it. Trump also lied through his teeth about his involvement in Israel’s attack against Iran. We reported on this in our article “Diplomacy on his deathbed – from peace president to warmonger”. With Trump’s announcement three days ago that he would decide within two weeks whether the US would go to war, he gave the impression that he was striving for a diplomatic solution. Anyone who is still negotiating with Trump and believes his words can be described as a complete idiot.
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Furthermore, Trump has robbed himself of the opportunity to act by this stupidity. He now has to wait and see what happens and not only Iran, but also Russia, China and Pakistan can now calmly decide how they will react, while Iran has the opportunity to reduce Israel to rubble. The escalatory dominance therefore lies with Iran and its partners.
Israel and the US have no chance in the war against Iran
My research and discussions with sources reveal a picture that does not correspond at all to what the Western media proclaim, namely that Israel is in the process of winning.
If Israel was "winning" why do they need our help?
ALSO, FOR THOSE WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IRAN AND INSIST ON CONFLATING THEM WITH RADICAL SUNNI TOWELHEADS
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Iranian society
I visited Iran twice last year and was very impressed by the country and its people. I had the opportunity to talk to many people, including professors, scientists, civil servants, entrepreneurs and lawyers. People from all walks of life and of all age groups. As a completely non-religious person, I was invited several times to the home of a highly religious family and spent great evenings with people who live their religion but have no reservations whatsoever about those who live their lives and their faith differently and answer every question about religion and society with great joy and openness. I was also struck by the incredibly high level of education of the people and the propaganda-free view of the West and East. I never sensed any hatred towards Israel and certainly not towards Judaism, as the more than 20,000 Jews in Iran are able to practise their faith in their synagogues without any restrictions.
Iran has been under sanctions for 45 years and the fact that this multi-ethnic state has survived is thanks to a people who are certainly not impressed by a little Hitler in Israel or a screamer in Washington. There are problems in Iran and there are voices calling for reform. However, suggestions on how Iran should change must come from within and not from outside – and that includes me.
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So, a couple of thoughts:
Trump has this fixed idea that Israel is our friend (hahagahaha!!!). He may also have a genuine paranoia about Iran and nuclear weapons. The other equally credible idea is that he bought Israel's frothing about Iran's nuclear wespons program.
Problem is, if Iranian nuclear weapons was the REAL problem, there were already bulletproof proposals on the table that would have solved that, one of them being that Israel would turn its 60% enriched uranium over to Russia, and operate an enrichment program for civilian nuclear power as part of a consortium, including even the USA.
That, apparently, wasn't good enough!
So Trump couldn't withstand hysterical Israeli pressure, nor the pressure from MANY Republicans and some Democrats to "Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran".
Rumor is that Trump did some sort of backdoor deal with Iran, informing them of the strike in advance, and that our bunker buster bombs were never dropped, or not dropped on anything important. The deal, if there is one, seems to be going like this:
Trump: I get to declare victory and derail Israel's regime change operation, Iran promises not to attack our regional bases (which would invite a military response and further escalation from us).
IDK about Israel, which is actually taking a more significant beating than Iran. If Israel not part of the deal, Iran and Israel continue their "missile/ drone/ (assasination program on Israel's part) war of attrition", which Israel will probably lose. And Iran responds asymmetrically by, for example, closing straits of Hormuz.
There are a few things to look for:
Do other nations detect radiation cloud circling the globe? (There's a lot can be determined by specific isotopes as well as overall radioactivity.)
Does Israel continue its missile attack on Iran? If so, protecting Israel is not part of any Trumpian deal, and Israel and Iran will continue to exchange blows.
Does Iran close the straits of Hormuz, attack our regional bases, both, something else, or nothing?
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One step closer, hasn't happened yet:
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Iranian Parliament Backs Strait Of Hormuz Closure, Oil Market Braces For Turmoil
Sunday, Jun 22, 2025 - 08:05 AM
Iranian state-owned outlet Press TV has released a new report quoting Major General Kowsari, a senior member of the Iranian Parliament's National Security Commission, who stated:
"The Parliament has reached the conclusion that the Strait of Hormuz should be closed, but the final decision in this regard lies with the Supreme National Security Council."
MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/iranian-parliament-backs-strait-
hormuz-closure-brent-market-braces-turmoil
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Quote:"With uranium… the radiation doesn't really travel very far," says Prof Claire Corkhill, Chair in Mineralogy and Radioactive Waste Management at the University of Bristol.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
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That [radioactive cloud circling the earth] is NOT what would happen if Iran bombed an American Uranium enrichment site,
And you know this ... how?
But for people close to the site, there could be health risks, she said.
"Highly enriched uranium is about three times more radioactive than non-enriched uranium. But in fact, on the scale of things, neither of them are particularly densely radioactive. It wouldn't cause a major environmental contamination problem," explains Prof Jim Smith, from the University of Portsmouth, who has studied the aftermath of the Chernobyl disaster.
"We're more concerned about what are called the fission products - the things that uranium splits up to when it's in a reactor or in a bomb - things like radioactive caesium, radioactive strontium, radioactive iodine. They are more of an environmental contamination issue."
But because no nuclear reaction is taking place at the enrichment sites - and a blast from a bomb would not trigger one - these dangerous radioactive "fission products" would not be present, he said.
Instead the uranium could be dispersed locally by a blast.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ykjvl1y9jo
On the other hand, if Trump nuked Iran, that would spread radiation around the world. America had about 1,030 above-ground nuclear explosions. To Trump, nuking Iran would be test 1,031, no big deal to him. Trump could probably sell the idea to his Trumptards that dropping 14 nukes on Iran is no bigger violation of going to war without a declaration of war from Congress than dropping on Iran the 14 "bunker-buster" bombs known as the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrators.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/8/29/visualising-the-2056
-nuclear-tests-conducted-since-1945
Pentagon reveals how B-2 bombers struck Iran nuclear sites in mission dubbed "Operation Midnight Hammer"
June 22, 2025 / 1:06 PM EDT / CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-briefing-us-strikes-iran-nuclear
-sites/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Weirdly, commentators are only now noticing that Trump is insane. He has been since The Art of the Deal was published in 1987.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_the_Deal
With strikes on Iran, Trump has chosen a path of insanity
It's time to ask: Is a mental condition driving his foreign policy?
By Bill Curry | Published June 22, 2025 5:45AM (EDT)
https://www.salon.com/2025/06/22/with-strikes-on-iran-has-chosen-a-pat
h-of-insanity/
There are lots of good reasons for not psychoanalyzing politicians. But when a leader suffering a severe mental illness poses a grave risk to the nation and the world, we can’t just close our eyes. We are in such a moment now.
In the lead-up to last night's airstrikes, which Trump immediately declared a "spectacular military success" in a hyperbolic 3½ minute speech from the White House, his behavior has been marked by manic outbursts and abrupt changes of course. His actions strongly suggest that his mental condition is driving his foreign policy, and that it has now drawn us into war, however limited he promises it will be, with Iran.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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"Iran's nuclear ambitions have been obliterated. The operation President Trump planned was bold and it was brilliant." - Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth
Maybe not:
Satellites show damage to Iran's nuclear program, but experts say it's not destroyed
By Geoff Brumfiel, Alyson Hurt | June 22, 2025 6:07 PM ET
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/22/nx-s1-5441734/satellites-show-damage-ir
an-nuclear-program-not-destroyed-experts-say
The only way to be sure that Iran’s nuclear ambitions have been obliterated is like what was discussed in the movie Aliens: “Nuke it from orbit.” Maybe later this summer, Trump will go Aliens on Iran. I do hope Congress will get around to voting for a Declaration of War against Iran before Trump nukes Iran. The Constitution requires Congress to make such a declaration or impeach fat and crazy Trump for proceeding without Congress’s approval.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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