Ward Churchill - NOT a Native American? Fire him.
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 03:59
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Any idiot can publish a book. That's more dependent on public interest then on the advancement of knowledge.
As far as advancing the level of understanding within a particular field, I have yet to see anything from Chruchill that would convince me he has made any such significant advances. Your assumption that the quality of his research necessarily means his conclusion advance anything is precarious at best. I would argue that making the breakthrough discovery that innocent victims of a terrorist attack are equivalent to Nazi executioner of Jews is probably not as great a leap forward as one might think.
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Quote:I don’t know who all is calling for his dismissal. I think that if he acquired his position through fraud and that can be determined, then I think he should be dismissed immediately. Other then that, I’m not going to call for his dismissal based on the kinds of comments he’s made. Although, given the lunacy of some of his statements I can certainly understand if the tax payers of Colorado don’t want to pay this guy to teach their children.
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
* editted to add: I am not an expert in the particular field that Ward Churchill writes in. All I can say is that he has published a substantial body of work. The tenure review process is designed to address the issues I bring up. That is why I find it highly amusing that a bunch of people who are not experts in his field are calling for his dismissal.
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I am speaking strictly about the work that he has done in the field of Ethnic Studies.
*editted to add: Time to go to sleep. Have a good night 
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Good night then.
I should get to bed myself.
But too many Diet Cokes. 
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Make no mistake, this is a test case for the American Council of Trustees and Alumni (a rightwing organization), the National Association of Scholars (a group created by ACTA), and Republican student groups nationwide pushing for an Academic Bill of Rights - like all good marketing (probably focus group tested) it's got a wholesome great sounding name.
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So, what is wrong with these Academic Bills of Rights?
I thought the intent was to protect viewpoint discrimination for everyone.
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Quality research- discovering facts that have not been previously known and connecting them together in new and insightful ways.
Without having read Churchill's publications, I can't verify that his writing falls under the tile of quality research, but the titles themselves do not indicate that "the guy's a fruitcake"... only that you're unfamiliar with that line of research. Seminal publications that have affected western philosophical thinking for decades include such fruitcake titles as "Witches, Midwives, and Nurses" (Erenreich, English) and "Man Against Myth" (Dunham).
Maybe you should read his publications and tell us what you think. Do some quality research of your own BEFORE you make up your mind about a person and the quality of his work.
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Originally posted by evilmike:
So, what is wrong with these Academic Bills of Rights?
I thought the intent was to protect viewpoint discrimination for everyone.
"students trying to dictate what they don't want to be taught"
That's the best, most straightforward, description I've read of the goals of the people behind the strategically named Academic Bill of Rights (I am constantly impressed at the salesmanship of movement conservatives - they know their marketing). It was from an article written late last year by Justin Pope for the AP titled, " Conservatives Flip Academic Freedom Debate".
* okay, I'm done editting (1:35 am PST)
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All I'm hearing from you is a lot of VERY UNSUPORTED suppositions verging on slander.
What am I saying that's unsupported? I'm asking a quesiton and expressing my opinion.
Where's the slander ? Care to point it out ? Can't a person voice their opinion?
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Maybe you should read his publications and tell us what you think. Do some quality research of your own BEFORE you make up your mind about a person and the quality of his work.
Here in lies the REAL heart of the matter. Yes, read his works, maybe catch a lecture or two. Like Michael Moore, this clown is just trying to make a name for himself. He's claimed a false heritage and it landed him a $100,000 + tenured position. Not bad work, if you can find it.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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All I'm hearing from you is a lot of VERY UNSUPORTED suppositions verging on slander.
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What am I saying that's unsupported? I'm asking a quesiton and expressing my opinion.
Where's the slander ? Care to point it out ? Can't a person voice their opinion?
Here's where the pain in the butt wordsmith inserts her two cents.
Slander is spoken.
Libel is written.
Ergo, this would be libel not slander.
Personally, I don't agree with the professor's position but believe he has a responsibility to state his case.
You can look at this from two angles.
1. How dare he not fall into line and salute our version of the truth.
2. At least we know what he thinks and where he is.
"Just keep walkin, preacher man."
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"students trying to dictate what they don't want to be taught"
That trivializes the issue, doesn't it? As Pope also mentions:
"But in a recent survey of students at 50 schools by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, which argues that there is too little intellectual diversity on campus, 49% reported some professors frequently commented on politics in class even if it was outside the subject matter. Thirty-one percent said they believed that there were some courses in which they needed to agree with a professor's views to get a good grade."
If there wasn't a widespread concern that viewpoint discrimination was occuring on campus, the academic bill of rights wouldn't be an issue.
Moreover, I am still left wonder what specific problems you see the Bill of Rights as problems as causing.
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