Ward Churchill - NOT a Native American? Fire him.
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 03:59
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Auraptor- I see you edited your text. How very brave. But you missed this part:
"He's claimed a false heritage and it landed him a $100,000 + tenured position. Not bad work, if you can find it."
Finn- You said" I would argue that making the breakthrough discovery that innocent victims of a terrorist attack are equivalent to Nazi executioner of Jews is probably not as great a leap forward as one might think."
First of all, Eichman was not an executioner. He made the trains run on time. He was a technocrat. So let's look at the analogy that Ward Churchill used- Nazi Germany. Of course, the top poltical and command structure are responsible- Hilter, Himmler, Goebbels, Goering, Eichman etc. But do we, or should we, hold the firms that designed, built and profited from the gas chambers accountable? What about the weapons firms? The prison ("Arbeit Macht Frie") guards? The "average" German citizen who ignored the thick, oily black smoke? The average German citizen who VOTED for Hitler?
Don't forget that Hitler was ELECTED. This is the history:
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In Jan., 1933, when Adolf Hitler became chancellor without an absolute majority, the Reichstag was dissolved and new elections were set for Mar. 5; a violent election campaign ensued. On Feb. 27, 1933, a fire destroyed part of the Reichstag building. Hitler immediately accused the Communists of having set the fire. President von Hindenburg proclaimed a state of emergency and issued decrees suspending freedom of speech and assembly. The elections gave a bare majority of seats to Hitler's National Socialists (Nazis) and their allies, the German Nationalists.
How close is the analogy? Close enough to be instructive?
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"Presidents get impeached for lying"
Only if you lie about sex. Lying about WMD and getting us into war, lying about taxes and blowing up the budget, lying about social security and trying to destroy it... well, THAT'S OK!!! And dont' forget that someone on the upper Administration committed TREASON by outing an active undercover CIA field officer. That must be OK too because I sure haven't heard anything about impeachment!
BTW- I will post this separately but... I just heard an alarming interview with Scott Ritter, who is an ex-Marine and was the chief USA weapons inspector in Iraq (as part of the UN team). He has been very forthright about his experiences- the bad (Saddam jerking them around, lack of UN support) and the good (but they did their job, there were NO WMD).
He say he has information that Bush has already decided to bomb Iran. The actual date will be dictated by event, but tentatively set for June.
I've been shouting my fool head off for the past five years about how dangerous the Bush administration is. But half the USA is still marching in step. How culpable are we?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
"Presidents get impeached for lying"
Only if you lie about sex. Lying about WMD and getting us into war, lying about taxes and blowing up the budget, lying about social security and trying to destroy it... well, THAT'S OK!!! And dont' forget that someone on the upper Administration committed TREASON by outing an active undercover CIA field officer. That must be OK too because I sure haven't heard anything about impeachment!
BTW- I will post this separately but... I just heard an alarming interview with Scott Ritter, who is an ex-Marine and was the chief USA weapons inspector in Iraq (as part of the UN team). He has been very forthright about his experiences- the bad (Saddam jerking them around, lack of UN support) and the good (but they did their job, there were NO WMD).
He say he has information that Bush has already decided to bomb Iran. The actual date will be dictated by event, but tentatively set for June.
I've been shouting my fool head off for the past five years about how dangerous the Bush administration is. But half the USA is still marching in step. How culpable are we?
Bush hasn't lied about any of those things, so what ever point you're attempting to make is moot.
Bush won't be bombing Iran unless Europe begs and pleads him to - and I doubt even then. Bank on that. So please, crying wolf about that non issue is a useless waste of time.
You've been shouting your fool head off - on that, we agree.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Oh please, Auraptor. If you have to post, at least try to keep one foot in reality. When the Bush admin gave figures to Congress about the cost of adding drug benefits to Medicare, and then told the actuarial (who had calculated a less political, more realistical/ expensive figure) to shut up or he would lost his job.... BTW, the actuarial figures were eventually proven right
Or when Joe Wilson told the Admin that Iraq did NOT try to purchase yellowcake from Niger, and was rewarded by having his undercover CIA-officer wife "outed".... BTW, Joe Wilson, Scott Ritter and the other dissenters where eventually proven right.
Or when Bush goes around the country yelling "CRISIS!" about Social Security, when even large, commercial annuity administrators say there is no such thing...
If Bush isn't lying, then he's got to be the most incompetent President that we've ever had. So go back and change your previous text to at least LOOK mentally competent, OK?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh please, Auraptor. If you have to post, at least try to keep one foot in reality. When the Bush admin gave figures to Congress about the cost of adding drug benefits to Medicare, and then told the actuarial (who had calculated a less political, more realistical/ expensive figure) to shut up or he would lost his job.... BTW, the actuarial figures were eventually proven right
Or when Joe Wilson told the Admin that Iraq did NOT try to purchase yellowcake from Niger, and was rewarded by having his undercover CIA-officer wife "outed".... BTW, Joe Wilson, Scott Ritter and the other dissenters where eventually proven right.
Or when Bush goes around the country yelling "CRISIS!" about Social Security, when even large, commercial annuity administrators say there is no such thing...
If Bush isn't lying, then he's got to be the most incompetent President that we've ever had. So go back and change your previous text to at least LOOK mentally competent, OK?
Joe Wilson? LOL! Please! Iraq HAD indeed bought yellow cake from Niger , back in the 1980's, for their nuclear power plant. Then Israel blew that facility up. And it was the BRITISH who said that Saddam was snooping around in Niger again for more yellow cake, and they STILL stand by that report! Joe Wilson has no say in this matter, what so ever.
Changing my text? What the hell are you talking about? Any editing I do is up to me, but if you can't cite a specific comment , then don't bother. I'm not allowed to fix my own typos? Man, you're paranoid.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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There was a comment earlier about letting morons speak, as it was the best possible demonstration, and I whole heartedly agree. But a word of friendly advice: Please stop whiddling on yourself, it's embarassing. Plus, you're giving your fellow Bushies a bad rep.
Since I see that you have only a tenuous connection to reality there is no point in discussing w/ you further. I may, however, point and suppress giggles.
Cheers!
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Quote:If all you have is inane ad hominems, I'll keep this brief. Rational discussion is lost on you anyways. Since you dug up Joe Wilson....
Originally posted by SignyM:
There was a comment earlier about letting morons speak, as it was the best possible demonstration, and I whole heartedly agree. But a word of friendly advice: Please stop whiddling on yourself, it's embarassing. Plus, you're giving your fellow Bushies a bad rep.
Since I see that you have only a tenuous connection to reality there is no point in discussing w/ you further. I may, however, point and suppress giggles.
Cheers!
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BUSH'S IRAQI URANIUM CLAIM VINDICATED
Another blow to the Bush haters and the "Bush lied" crowd. No less than the left-leaning Associated Press is reporting that President Bush's claim that Iraq sought uranium in Africa wasn't completely false. Stop the presses! How can this be true? I thought Bush lied!
Two recent reports say Bush may have not been totally off-base. Now, never mind that Bush didn't lie at all whatsoever.....he was simply stating what British intelligence had reported. His statement was true by any logical standard. But now a British report now says that the claims about Iraq were "well-founded." In addition, the otherwise worthless Senate Intelligence Committee (an oxymoron if there ever was one) report says Iraq sought uranium in Africa. So where's Joe Wilson now...and who's that anyway?
You remember him...he's the liar hired by the CIA (after being recommended by his wife) to go to Niger to investigate the uranium claim. He wrote an op-ed piece in the New York Times saying that transaction was unlikely and the administration was manipulating intelligence. Few people seem to know that in a later book the very same Joe Wilson said that not only did Iraq make overtures to Niger about purchasing uranium, but that the very person making those overtures was the famous Baghdad Bob! Predictably, the media played up the Wilson comments that contradicted British intelligence and President Bush, and ignored his writings that supported the British claim.
How about Kerry and Edwards...are they going to stop saying we were misled? Will Michael Moore make a retraction movie? Al Gore? Somehow, I don't think so. After all, facts have never been a liberal specialty.
The more time that passes...the more the action in Iraq is vindicated. The appeasers are going to have to find a new angle. http://boortz.com/nuze/200407/07192004.html#uranium
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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The book says:
"It was Saddam Hussein's information minister, Mohammed Saeed Sahhaf, often referred to in the Western press as "Baghdad Bob," who approached an official of the African nation of Niger in 1999 to discuss trade -- an overture the official saw as a possible effort to buy uranium."
He went to discuss trade, hoping to get an angle on a uranium deal. However, since Niger yellowcake production and trade is heavily infiltrated by foreigners, any deal was impossible, and the minister apparently never got around to broaching the topic. And what about that fake paper that was prodcued as evidence? So much for the Mushroom Cloud that Rice scared us with.
As far as that "British report"... I can't find hide nor hair of it on the internet, so other than the apparent citation by some right-wing columnist... a citation he didn't see fit to even reference... where izzit?
You dancing around the whole yellowcake issue very much reminds me of Clinton dancing around the definition of sex. "He didn't SAY it, he was just quoting!" Please, take responsibility for what you say! Take responsibility for what you quote! (oh, wait... Bush doesn't either. Why should I expect more from his followers?)
LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!
(mmmpphf! gurgle!! snick!)
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I noticed that you didn't address Bush's other demonstrable lies. I replied because I want to make it plainly obvious that you lie, routinely and blatantly. When caught in a lie you resort to distraction, or more lies. I think I've made my point: you can't be trusted because you have no respect for the truth. You will dance around the defintion of a single word to avoid taking responsibility for what you say and what you quote, just like your fearful leader. What could be more cowardly?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I noticed that you didn't address Bush's other demonstrable lies. I replied because I want to make it plainly obvious that you lie, routinely and blatantly. When caught in a lie you resort to distraction, or more lies. I think I've made my point: you can't be trusted because you have no respect for the truth. You will dance around the defintion of a single word to avoid taking responsibility for what you say and what you quote, just like your fearful leader. What could be more cowardly?
You're delusional. Bush hasn't lied anywhere in regards to Iraq. Sorry, but that's the hard cold fact. If you want to bring up irrelevent political issues on appropriations and what not , that's fine. You want to call me cowardly? Say that to my face. This forum clearly has gotten you worked up, no doubt because you're wrong and you just can't handle the humilation. Seems to me you'd be use to it by now. Oh well.
P.S. 4 more years.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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