Act of War
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UPDATED: Friday, May 9, 2025 18:56
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Originally posted by rue:
Unwrapped,
If you'll notice I didn't call you sabre-rattlers, I was quoting someone else. And I was laughing at the "chairborne rangers" phrase which I carefully put in italics.
When you learn to read, please let me know.
Sure thing, penis breath. Were it not for your inability to accuratly post quotes from others on this board, I'd not make such an grevious error.
But the point of my post still stands, for you, Hardware, or anyone willing to respond.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Looks like Japan may be doing some saber-rattling of its own. Considering that the medium-range missles North Korea successfully launched could reach Japan, I guess they do have something to worry about.
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The Japanese draft, under Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter which allows military enforcement, demands that North Korea immediately stop developing, testing, deploying and selling ballistic missiles.
It would ban all U.N. member states from acquiring North Korean missiles or weapons of mass destruction _ or the parts or technology to produce them _ and order all countries to take steps to prevent any material, technology or money for missile or weapons programs from reaching the North.
The draft resolution also urges North Korea to immediately return to six-party talks, which have been stalled since September.
Japanese officials also said Monday that negotiations may not be enough, using rhetoric unprecedented in the country that adopted a pacifist constitution after its defeat in World War II.
"If we accept that there is no other option to prevent an attack ... there is the view that attacking the launch base of the guided missiles is within the constitutional right of self-defense. We need to deepen discussion," Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe said.
"It's irresponsible to do nothing when we know North Korea could riddle us with missiles," echoed Tsutomu Takebe, secretary general of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party. "We should consider measures, including legal changes" required for such an attack, he said.
http://northernvirginia.cox.net/cci/newsnational/national?_mode=view&_
state=maximized&view=article&id=D8IPBRGO0
Interesting that the sanctions the Russians and Chinese oppose boil down to stopping missle and WMD trade with North Korea. Makes you wonder who sells the most missle and WMD technology to them.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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DKE,
What Clinton did (with the aid of President Jimmy Carter) was take up the task of actively dealing with N Korea in an ongoing way. (And not, as Slick suggests, striking a deal then taking the N Koreans on trust.) The advantage Clinton had is that at the time both Russia and China supported US policy and UN sanctions. He was operating with both carrot and stick, applied as needed.
I'd like to point out that part of the agreement w/ N Korea was that the US would supply the country with light-water reactors (which do not generate plutonium) to replace NK's graphite reactors. The US has not kept up with its part of the bargain either, a point of friction and complaint on N Korea's side in 2000. So it's not quite fair to say N Korea broke the agreement first.
The problem now is that that Bush lacks Russia's and China's support for sanctions. Bush lost Russia's support in part due to Iraq. And he lost leverage over China because they hold a lot of US debt. So at this point neither China nor Russia support sanctions, and there is nothing the US can do about it.
(I heard a funny description of the US scolding China to deal with the N Koreans - it was called 'out-sourcing foreign policy'. But China has no interest in increasing US influence over N Korea. So they're not going to go after it in a serious way. Russia also disfavors increased US influence over NK.)
Hussein did not have the WMD the US claimed, and he did not constitute a threat to the US. I don't know what kind of information you think you have.
If Bush unilaterally uses military force on N Korea, he will provoke a response from Russia AND China. Neither wants US military action on their doorstep. And N Korea has promised they will slag Seoul. So military force is not an option. (Whether or not NK can 'slag' anything is uncertain. N Korea has traditionally been long on bluff, but short on results. But even using conventional weapons, N Korea could destroy the city.)
As to whether or not a target was determinable, I surmise it depends on how the missile malfunctioned. If it launched straight you could get direction. If it launched crooked you might think you have direction but be wrong. If it wobbled obviously out of control, then all best are off. IMHO.
Rue
PS As pointed out in a previous post, the fact that N Korea was kept at 1-2 bombs during the Clinton administration validates the approach. But now N Korea has gone ballistic, so to speak, continuously escalating the situation. That does not speak well of Bush's approach.
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Quote:Make ME wonder what do the N Koreans pay with? Starving babies? Kimchi?
Interesting that the sanctions the Russians and Chinese oppose boil down to stopping missle and WMD trade with North Korea. Makes you wonder who sells the most missle and WMD technology to them.
As I understand it N Korea and Pakistan (our current ally) had a lively missile- nuclear technology trade. That makes sense but I can't imagine the N Koreans having anything that the Russians and Chinese actually want to trade for.
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Hey SignyM,
AFAIK, Russia and China oppose sanctions for only one reason - they will be used to increase US influence over N Korea. Apparently they prefer to have a semi-crazy person with nuclear weapons in their backyards to having Bush there.
Oh, the ironies in that statement ...
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I have several Bush's in my back yard. There very pretty.
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Quote:And have the same IQ as the man himself, and some of his supporters on these boards *cough*AU*cough*.
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
I have several Bush's in my back yard. There very pretty.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Ukraine war latest: North Korea will 'keep supplying Wagner Group with weapons', says US
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-north-korea-will-keep-su
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North Korea does ‘not care’ about Trump’s words for Kim Jong Un
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/asia_pacific/2024-07-24/north-korea-k
im-ties-trump-14580984.html
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India-Pakistan jets clash in one of the largest dogfights in recent history
https://www.newsweek.com/india-pakistan-125-jets-clash-one-largest-dog
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/north-korea-breaks-silence-fi
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