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Hollywood's Abysmal 2023 in Numbers

POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Friday, August 2, 2024 09:17
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, January 11, 2024 7:27 PM

Or, yanno, they could go back to hiring people based on merit instead of which boxes they check off.

Universal seems to have figured out how to make it work. And not including any subsidiaries, Universal put out more movies than Disney did in 2023.

https://www.the-numbers.com/market/2023/distributor/Universal

1 The Super Mario Bros. Movie
2 Oppenheimer
3 Fast X
4 Five Nights at Freddy’s
5 Trolls Band Together
6 M3GAN
7 The Exorcist: Believer
8 Cocaine Bear
9 Migration
10 Knock at the Cabin
11 Strays
12 Renfield
13 Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken
14 The Last Voyage of the Demeter

https://www.the-numbers.com/market/2023/distributor/Walt-Disney

1 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3
2 The Little Mermaid
3 Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
4 Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
5 Elemental
6 The Marvels
7 Haunted Mansion
8 Wish

And here's Disney's theatrical releases by its subsidiaries...

https://www.the-numbers.com/market/2023/distributor/Searchlight-Pictur
es

9 Poor Things
10 Next Goal Wins
11 Theater Camp
12 Chevalier
13 All of Us Strangers

https://www.the-numbers.com/market/2023/distributor/20th-Century-Studi
os

14 The Boogeyman
15 A Haunting in Venice
16 The Creator

As far as releases in theaters go, even with all those additional people working at 2 extra studios, that's only 2 more movies than Universal released.

Universal kept the production budgets down to $1,071,203,077 and grossed $4,237,897,174 worldwide. Disney's budgets were $1,832,550,000 and they only grossed $3,237,431,331 worldwide. (Not including 20th Century Studios and Searchlight budgets and returns which only makes the situation for Disney much worse)

If Disney isn't going to axe the diversity hires, pull the Leftist agenda out of all of their flicks, hire based off of merit or cut their budget, they've got two other options.

1. Stop spending all that additional money making a bunch of TV shows and movies that nobody wants to see on your streaming platform that is losing over a Billion dollars annually.

2. Put all your shit on Disney+ and don't bother spending any marketing budget to put them in theaters because nobody wants to see any of it.

That's what they did with Peter Pan and Wendy, and even though a loss of $170 Million on the production budget looks bad on paper when it was put directly on the Disney+ streaming service that loses over a Billion dollars every year, there was no marketing budget spent and they didn't have to share a 50% split with the theaters, so Peter Pan and Wendy lost a LOT LESS money than movies like Indiana Jones 5 (-$368,438,024), The Marvels (-$487,026,232), Haunted Mansion (-$279,577,011) and Wish (-$323,014,839).

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, January 11, 2024 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The Color Purple...

Warner Bros. wraps up 2023 with another box office failure because it doesn't know how to budget.

And here I was thinking this movie was already a great success with $49 Million in the bank after 10 days and international releases not rolling out until the end of January.

But that was when a Google search told me it cost only $15 Million to make.

Nope.

That was the 1985 movie's production budget.

2023's version cost $100 Million.

It needs to make $250 Million to break even.

SPOILER ALERT: With it's first sub-Million day on Tuesday in the states, it ain't getting there.

Why? Why? Why do you keep doing this?

Songbirds & Snakes was saved by the fact that Lionsgate decided to strip down the budget and only lay down $100 Million when adjusted for inflation it might have made sense to spend $200 Million for another installment compared to the previous budgets those movies had.

But The Color Purple was never going to have the mass-market appeal of a Hunger Games movie.

You had to know this. You had to.

Movies like The Color Purple, Killers of the Flower Moon and Napoleon shouldn't cost a single dime more than $50 Million, maximum. Hell... I'd argue that because of the demographically challenged nature of The Color Purple, it shouldn't have cost more than $30 Million to make. If you did that, you would have made a lot of money.

Whatever...

I'm looking forward to getting the 2023 lists together. We already know that Disney shit the bed and Universal was rolling in cash during 2023, but I'm really interested in finding out just how luke warm Warner Bros. 2023 turned out with flop after flop after flop under its belt despite having the highest grossing flick of the year.

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Unless the international audience comes out for this movie big time in the coming weeks, this movie is dead in the water.

Another week (and weekend) has come and gone, and we're looking at only $56 Million on a $100 Million budget. This probably won't even top $75 Million in the States, let alone make the production budget back here.

Warner Bros. has lost $194,360,851 on this movie currently. My guess is that they'll lose about $100 Million on it by the time it's out of the global theater market.

That's strike two for Halle Bailey.

The Little Mermaid lost Disney $56,654,952 last year, and that's with the $250 Million Production Budget figure when it's been rumored that with reshoots it cost closer to Indiana Jones 5's $300 Million to make.

Are they finally going to get around to putting her in a movie that makes money, or are they going to destroy her career before it even takes off?

Halle...

Go see if Universal wants to put you in a movie before your career dies.

Or maybe even Lionsgate. They finally managed to put Rachel Zegler in something that made money. They could probably easily fit you in the second Hunger Games prequel if you don't demand too much money.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, January 15, 2024 10:31 PM

Wonka cruises past $500 Million worldwide after an $8.4 Million 5th weekend in the states.

I'm officially calling out myself for the bad prediction on that one. I never said it would be a failure and I did say that even though it was completely unnecessary it would be a modest success, but it's easily going to be a profit of over $200 Million by next weekend with more gas left in the tank. A much needed win to round out 2023 for Warner Bros. after all those DC movie failures and the massive failure of The Color Purple remake.

The Color Purple still hasn't hit the international market, but it's basically done here, grossing only $1.8 Million over the weekend for a US total so far of only $58.3 Million on a $100 Million budget. I don't see any chance of this one coming even remotely close to breaking even for WB. At least Wonka's win will cover The Color Purple's losses so they don't have to dip even further into their Barbie win to cover it.

Wish is basically done making any money now, with $223 Million worldwide on a $200 Million budget, just the last of a very long string of Disney losses that ended up being close to $2 Billion in total for 2023. The Marvels appears to definately be out of theaters as Bruce still hasn't updated any figures since January 1st. It's still too early to say that it won't make $200 Million worldwide on a $275 Million budget since Bruce changes international numbers for movies more than 6 months after they're out of theaters, but it's sitting at only $199,724,382 currently.

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Tuesday, January 16, 2024 5:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The Color Purple...

Warner Bros. wraps up 2023 with another box office failure because it doesn't know how to budget.

And here I was thinking this movie was already a great success with $49 Million in the bank after 10 days and international releases not rolling out until the end of January.

But that was when a Google search told me it cost only $15 Million to make.

Nope.

That was the 1985 movie's production budget.

2023's version cost $100 Million.

It needs to make $250 Million to break even.

Hollywood will struggle since the Pirates now have The Color Purple:

https://yts.mx/movies/the-color-purple-2023

https://psa.wf/movie/the-color-purple-2023/

https://1337x.unblockit.date/sort-search/The%20Color%20Purple/time/des
c/1/ (the "/" at the end of the URL is necessary)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 16, 2024 9:58 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The Color Purple...

Warner Bros. wraps up 2023 with another box office failure because it doesn't know how to budget.

And here I was thinking this movie was already a great success with $49 Million in the bank after 10 days and international releases not rolling out until the end of January.

But that was when a Google search told me it cost only $15 Million to make.

Nope.

That was the 1985 movie's production budget.

2023's version cost $100 Million.

It needs to make $250 Million to break even.
Hollywood will struggle since the Pirates now have The Color Purple:

Maybe?

Nobody went to see it in America in the three weeks it's already been out without pirated versions floating around.

It still needs to make about $191 Million to break even, and with maybe another $10-$15 Million left in the US box office there was no way that this one was ever going to make 70%+ of its worldwide gross internationally even if they hadn't waited a full month before releasing it outside of the States.

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Wednesday, January 17, 2024 7:14 PM

Hollywood's losses would be smaller if movie budgets were smaller.

How Beloved Firefly Sequel Film Serenity Slashed Its Budget from $100 Million to $39 Million

The Firefly sequel film went full guerrilla-filmmaking to get its budget to the point it could land a green light.

By Trent Moore | Jan 15, 2024, 9:00 AM ET

https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/how-serenity-slashed-its-budget-from-10
0-million-to-39-million

In a 2005 interview with the Los Angeles Times, the effects crew and film’s creators opened up about the ways they shaved tens of millions off the film’s cost. Basically, they shot it like a TV show, creating only what was necessary and meticulously storyboarding things out so no resources were wasted.
https://web.archive.org/web/20060515164330/http://www.calendarlive.com
/printedition/calendar/cl-ca-homefront9oct09%2C0%2C2503431.htmlstory

One of the movie’s most ambitious set pieces, a wild chase scene early in the film, was projected to be one of the costliest segments in the film. So instead of trying to build out a massive CGI chase, they built a trailer with a cantilevered arm big enough to hold the on-screen hovercraft and actors. Then they just shot the scene on Templin Highway around Santa Clarita. For the Reaver vehicle chasing the crew, they hacked an old pick-up truck together with some CGI overlays for final effects. In the end, a scene expected to take 30 days was finished up in five.

They even had to rebuild the Serenity ship itself for sets, using old blueprints and DVD screen grabs for reference, a process they knocked out in a brief 14 weeks and under budget. All the explosions and pyrotechnics in the film were also done on a tight schedule, filmed across three nights at Mystery Mesa near Valencia. Traditionally, that level of sci-fi action pyro work for a blockbuster movie would’ve taken around two weeks.

When all was finished, the entire film was originally estimated to take 80 days to shoot — and they managed to wrap Serenity in under 50 days.

Serenity airs Thursday, Jan. 18 at 9 a.m. ET, and Friday, Jan. 19 at 3:30 a.m. ET on SYFY. You can also pick up the film from Universal Pictures Home Entertainment right here. https://digitalmoviedeals.nbcuniversal.com/products/serenity

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, January 17, 2024 9:54 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Hollywood's losses would be smaller if movie budgets were smaller.

I wonder how long it's going to take you to figure out that the more time passes the more you and your media of choice are starting to sound like I do on this matter.

Universal made a great profit last year while Disney was over $1.8 Billion in the hole.

This wasn't because Universal had a slam dunk year and everything they put out was gold. They had plenty of turds. One of them being Renfield which came in dead last on the list of 74 movies counted in this thread. That single movie alone cost Universal $188 Million on an $86 Million budget. The Last Voyage of the Demeter lost $92 Million on a $45 Million budget. Strays lost $79 Million on a $46 Million budget.

But what did all of those movies have in common? Very low budgets compared to Disney bombs, when it seemed that Disney was incapable of putting out a release in 2023 without spending at least $200 Million on the budget.

BTW... Universal's Migration has moved way up the list now with $175 Million in the bank and is just $5 Million short of breaking even on its $72 Million budget, which it will easily do by the end of the weekend.

Universal's HUGEST misstep was making the mistake of having the largest admitted production budget of any movie in 2023 with the $340 Million it spent on Fast X. That could have been a catastrophe for them, but fortunately it did gross $714 Million worldwide and only cost Universal $135 Million. I would not advise Fast XI be made unless they drop the budget to only $100 Million.

Even with all the above losses Universal is on top for 2023 with $1,559,889,482 as of 01/04. And with the additional money Migration has pulled in to break even, it's more like $1.65 Billion in profit for the year.

Quote:
How Beloved Firefly Sequel Film Serenity Slashed Its Budget from $100 Million to $39 Million

The Firefly sequel film went full guerrilla-filmmaking to get its budget to the point it could land a green light.

By Trent Moore | Jan 15, 2024, 9:00 AM ET

https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/how-serenity-slashed-its-budget-from-10
0-million-to-39-million

In a 2005 interview with the Los Angeles Times, the effects crew and film’s creators opened up about the ways they shaved tens of millions off the film’s cost. Basically, they shot it like a TV show, creating only what was necessary and meticulously storyboarding things out so no resources were wasted.
https://web.archive.org/web/20060515164330/http://www.calendarlive.com
/printedition/calendar/cl-ca-homefront9oct09%2C0%2C2503431.htmlstory

One of the movie’s most ambitious set pieces, a wild chase scene early in the film, was projected to be one of the costliest segments in the film. So instead of trying to build out a massive CGI chase, they built a trailer with a cantilevered arm big enough to hold the on-screen hovercraft and actors. Then they just shot the scene on Templin Highway around Santa Clarita. For the Reaver vehicle chasing the crew, they hacked an old pick-up truck together with some CGI overlays for final effects. In the end, a scene expected to take 30 days was finished up in five.

They even had to rebuild the Serenity ship itself for sets, using old blueprints and DVD screen grabs for reference, a process they knocked out in a brief 14 weeks and under budget. All the explosions and pyrotechnics in the film were also done on a tight schedule, filmed across three nights at Mystery Mesa near Valencia. Traditionally, that level of sci-fi action pyro work for a blockbuster movie would’ve taken around two weeks.

When all was finished, the entire film was originally estimated to take 80 days to shoot — and they managed to wrap Serenity in under 50 days.

Serenity airs Thursday, Jan. 18 at 9 a.m. ET, and Friday, Jan. 19 at 3:30 a.m. ET on SYFY. You can also pick up the film from Universal Pictures Home Entertainment right here. https://digitalmoviedeals.nbcuniversal.com/products/serenity

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Saturday, January 20, 2024 6:09 PM

Hollywood asks: How to profit when we are competing with FREE?

Answer: The communal experience of going to the theater! It's like church on Sunday!

Wonka opened on Dec 15th, but by Jan 19th it was FREE from the Pirates at
https://yts.mx/movies/wonka-2023
https://psa.wf/movie/wonka-2023/

For comparison with all the other Chocolate Factory Movies:

Opened | Title | Budget | Box Office
Dec 15, 2023 Wonka $125,000,000 $511,527,738
Jul 15, 2005 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory $150,000,000 $475,825,484
Jun 30, 1971 Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory $3,000,000 $4,065,345

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Charlie-and-the-Chocolate
-Factory#tab=summary

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, January 20, 2024 6:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Hollywood asks: How to profit when we are competing with FREE?

Answer: The communal experience of going to the theater! It's like church on Sunday!

It ain't for everybody (Present company included). But a lot of people prefer it over binge-watching disposable content in their living room in their sweatpants.

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Wonka opened on Dec 15th, but by Jan 19th it was FREE from the Pirates at

It's already made $181 Million in the US and $511 Million worldwide. Though I knew it wasn't going to lose money for Warner Bros, that was far beyond any expectations I had for it. BoxOfficePro predicted on November 16th that it would top out at $210 Million in the US and $450 Million worldwide.

https://www.boxofficepro.com/long-range-box-office-forecast-wonka/

In the end, it likely does $100 Million more business than the media was predicting that it would.

If Wonka makes less than $4 million between Friday and Sunday in the states, the early pirate release might be negatively impacting the movie that's already in the Weekend 5 box office decline. We're never really going to know the answer to that question because we don't have the ability to monitor the parallel universe where pirated movies only come out after the movies finish their box office run. But it already is a success, and the pirate release comes out well after the movie made the vast bulk of the money it was going to make in the theaters. (With or without a pirate release, I doubt that it would ultimately end up making much more than $550 Million worldwide looking at the current numbers and the current trajectory).

And we do know that Five Nights at Freddy's was released legally with no additional charge on day one for streaming on Peacock which only cost $5.99 per month and it went on to be the 4th most profitable movie of 2023, making nearly 1,500% of its $20 Million budget. But maybe it would have been #1 if it didn't get that peacock release (and the immediate pirate release that came from it).

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For comparison with all the other Chocolate Factory Movies:

Opened | Title | Budget | Box Office
Dec 15, 2023 Wonka $125,000,000 $511,527,738
Jul 15, 2005 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory $150,000,000 $475,825,484
Jun 30, 1971 Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory $3,000,000 $4,065,345

With inflation, and the percentage of box office vs. budget:

Title | Budget | Box Office (Inflation adj) | % vs Budget

Wonka / $125,000,000 / $511,527,738 / 409%

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory / $234,026,114 / $742,370,592 / 317%

Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory / $22,570,519 / $30,585,648 / 136%

2023's Wonka, without a doubt, has been the most profitable film based off of this franchise to date.

The original didn't do well in the theaters at all and believe it or not wasn't well received when it was released. It was a low budget commercial for candy, and its origins are quite cynical. It didn't gain a following until it was shown on TV all the time because the rights were cheap. By the time I was growing up in the mid-80s and saw it for the first time with my Mom it had already become somewhat of a classic movie. It lost money in the theaters, but it wasn't designed to be a box office success. It was designed to sell candy, and on a very cheap budget.

It should also be noted that back in 1971 the international box office wasn't really even a thing. I'm sure that movies were shown internationally in some capacity back then, particularly in European countries, but if there were any sizable profits made from international showings back then nobody was tracking it for the historical records.

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Saturday, January 20, 2024 8:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

If Wonka makes less than $4 million between Friday and Sunday in the states, the early pirate release might be negatively impacting the movie that's already in the Weekend 5 box office decline. We're never really going to know the answer to that question because we don't have the ability to monitor the parallel universe where pirated movies only come out after the movies finish their box office run.

In time the smartest moviegoers will understand that if they wait five weeks it is free. Then moviegoers will be the stupid ones who don't understand. Movies are already bad, but wait until Hollywood realizes that all the ticket purchasers are the stupidest. Then movies will sink to depths previously never reached.

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. People can easily be persuaded to accept the most inferior ideas or useless products; attributed to H. L. Mencken.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly