Hollywood's Abysmal 2023 in Numbers
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The movies that you're bringing up could probably be a pretty fascinating topic of their own... Assuming of course we could find some real information about why they were made and why they only got an extremely limited release despite their $20 Million + price tags.
I don't have any examples, but I do know that some of these things are due to contractual obligations or even hand shake agreements being fulfilled for scratching each other's backs... Like a director getting a no fuss mid-budget movie they've been wanting to do in return for coming in late and saving another fledgling production. The Marsh King's Daughter could have been some director's dream project that he/she couldn't have gotten funding for by anybody, but because they did something else they finally got to make it and have a decent cast to work with on a modest budget, even though those that were funding it knew they'd just be using the whole project as a tax write off.
And since we know nothing about what streaming services pay to host movies since they keep most of that info under wraps, maybe they go into these things knowing that they'll make the modest budgets back in a few years through licensing fees anyhow.
I'd love to see actual explanations why these types of movies even get made. There appears to be a LOT of limited releases in the theaters throughout the year that never get talked about. I just didn't realize how large the budgets for them actually were until you pointed out Bricklayer ($23.9 Million) and Marsh King's Daughter ($20 Million). I figured they had budgets closer to Talk To Me ($4.5 Million) or at the most, The Blackening ($7 Million).
Interestingly, according to my chart of movies that hit the Worldwide Top 100 at some point in 2023, Lionsgate is currently around $14-15 Million in the hole with Songbirds & Snakes' remaining time in theaters being the only saving grace they've got to break even for the year. Though I would never apply the 2.5x rule to Marsh King's Daughter since it obviously had a $0 Marketing Budget and the theater takes were 50% or so of practically nothing, the $19 Million or so loss for Lionsgate on this movie alone would make breaking even in 2023 an impossibility for the studio.
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Maybe reversing the ending on both movies would be an unexpected and crowd pleasing plot twist? Daisy dies and her father lives? I’m not so sure that would make more money, but it would be different than business as usual for Hollywood.
Take "woke" completely out of the equation and they would still never have the balls to have done that.
But that's not a bad idea.
I think it would have made a lot of long-time Star Wars fans very happy after all of Disney's missteps in the 3rd trilogy, while also making all the pink haired potbelly goblins on Twitter shriek in agony after watching it. There would be a lot of hate and accusations being thrown around after that decision for sure, but at least people would still be talking about Star Wars. Disney's problem now is that nobody talks about Star Wars anymore. You get the new lefty fans on Twitter talking about a new show a lot when it first drops, but even they lose interest right away because all the old fans already walked away and don't care, so because these new Disney shows don't cause any arguments and flame wars online anymore the whole situation has just become stale and boring.
Even the rage-bait YouTubers like Nerdrotic and Heelvsbabyface can't get any traction on Star Wars content anymore. I've seen some videos pop up in my feed the last few weeks indicating that Disney is doubling down on woke Star Wars with thumbnails showing Daisy Ridley and "The Force is Female", but I'm not going to bother clicking on any of them. I can't even think of the last time that I watched anything regarding how shit Star Wars has gotten other than WCB's videos showing the mountains of unsalable merchandise floor to cei
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Quote:The Black Donnellys Episode 13 (Easy Is The Way) begins with: "The gates of Hell are open night and day; smooth the descent and easy is the way." -- Virgil
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Personally, at this point, I think they should just nuke the Star Wars franchise. Literally.
Every time there was a show that me and my old man liked and it got cancelled, I'd just say instead of leaving it on a cliffhanger like The Sarah Connor Chronicles, they should have just had one final episode where the entire planet gets nuked and everyone dies. Firefly could have had the sun go supernova and everyone dies. Freaks and Geeks? Maybe North Korea fired the first nuke and everyone dies.
One great show that never got a fair shake, The Black Donnelly's, didn't go to such extreme measures but the way they ended it when they knew the writing on the wall was priceless.
You can't cancel my show. I'm going to destroy it first.
Let's just kill off pretty much all the main characters on both sides at the end and call it a day.
At that point, I predicted everyone would die. Jumping to the end of the episode, everyone dies.
Quote:My preferred ending for Firefly is a huge cargo ship leaving for the Solar System, with the name painted in huge letters on the side of the ship "Shepherd Derrial Book". The Book is an open latticework showing the cargo. Many smaller ships are being carried, but one of them is Serenity.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Firefly could have had the sun go supernova and everyone dies.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The Black Donnellys Episode 13 (Easy Is The Way) begins with: "The gates of Hell are open night and day; smooth the descent and easy is the way." -- Virgil
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Personally, at this point, I think they should just nuke the Star Wars franchise. Literally.
Every time there was a show that me and my old man liked and it got cancelled, I'd just say instead of leaving it on a cliffhanger like The Sarah Connor Chronicles, they should have just had one final episode where the entire planet gets nuked and everyone dies. Firefly could have had the sun go supernova and everyone dies. Freaks and Geeks? Maybe North Korea fired the first nuke and everyone dies.
One great show that never got a fair shake, The Black Donnelly's, didn't go to such extreme measures but the way they ended it when they knew the writing on the wall was priceless.
You can't cancel my show. I'm going to destroy it first.
Let's just kill off pretty much all the main characters on both sides at the end and call it a day.
At that point, I predicted everyone would die. Jumping to the end of the episode, everyone dies.
Yeah... I probably spoiled that part. Maybe I should have put a spoiler alert in there, but it is a show that's like 20 years old by now and not only did they cancel it prematurely, but you had to watch the last 6 episodes online because they didn't air them.
Shame. It really was a good show.
But I'm glad they just killed everyone off and made it so that the entire season didn't matter since the network killed it.
Quote:Quote:Quote:My preferred ending for Firefly is a huge cargo ship leaving for the Solar System, with the name painted in huge letters on the side of the ship "Shepherd Derrial Book". The Book is an open latticework showing the cargo. Many smaller ships are being carried, but one of them is Serenity.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Firefly could have had the sun go supernova and everyone dies.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Yeah... I mean, that's nice and everything. There could be quite a few different ways that you could end the show on a nice note.
But Serenity was not the way to do it for sure.
I like the idea of a supernova just killing everybody in the solar system off, because FOX killed Firefly anyhow, so Joss should have just said fuck it and made a huge catastrophe outside of anybody's control just coming in and making the entire show as pointless as FOX decided it was.
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The Golden Globes Awards was on TV last night. The awards celebrated making money, but what else did you expect from Hollywood? Meaningfulness? The movies are the wrong place to look if you are seeking such.
The Golden Globes Were a Mess, and Not in the Fun, Tipsy Way
In aiming for respectability, the awards show landed somewhere in boring.
By Sam Adams | Jan 08, 2024, 1:17 AM
Debuting an award for “box office achievement” feels redundant in a year when the box-office champs were also critical favorites. Barbie, the box-office award winner, didn’t need a made-up category to earn recognition, and Oppenheimer, which won the regular old best picture, drama, earned nearly $1 billion on its own.
https://slate.com/culture/2024/01/golden-globes-2024-winners-jo-koy-ta
ylor-swift.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Why did Hollywood make Napoleon? They had to know it would be a money-loser but made it despite the obvious.
Production Budget:
$200,000,000 (worldwide box office is 1.1 times production budget)
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Napoleon-(2023)#tab=summary
The Pirates didn’t copy Napoleon immediately, but eventually they did so why even go buy a ticket, rather than stay home? Hollywood must have known the Domestic Share would be small: 28.7% (domestic box office/worldwide)
https://psa.wf/movie/napoleon-2023/
https://yts.mx/movies/napoleon-2023
https://1337x.unblockit.date/sort-search/Napoleon%202023/time/desc/1/ (The final "/" is very important in the URL.)
The title cards at the end succinctly summarize Napoleon, the movie:
He led 61 battles in his military career...
Toulon 6,000 Dead
Marengo 12,000 Dead
Austerlitz 16,500 Dead
Borodino 71,000 Dead
Waterloo 47,000 Dead (One Day)
Invasion Of Russia 460,000 Dead
1793-1815: Over 3,000,000 Died
His final words were...
France... Army... Josephine
Special note to Hollywood: Don't make a movie about George Washington and the Revolutionary War assuming you do it for money. Even fewer people want to know about George and Martha Washington's sex life than want to know about Napoleon Bonaparte's and Josephine's.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Marvel promises to do better, but then does the same old stupid things, again
In early November, less than a week before The Marvels opened to the worst box office in the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the company announced it was time for a fresh start. Echo, the MCU’s latest TV series, would mark the debut of a new line called Marvel Spotlight, one that would allow them to “bring more grounded, character-driven stories to the screen … focusing on street-level stakes over large MCU continuity.” In other words, you wouldn’t need to be deeply versed in the now 16-year history to understand what the heck was going on, a welcome (and much-needed) departure from a long string of releases that have left fans yawning and Disney scrambling.
The first episode of Echo, which premieres this Tuesday, lingers on the Marvel Spotlight logo longer than it does the one for Marvel Studios, introducing the new banner with fanfare by Oscar-winning composer Michael Giacchino to underline the sense of occasion. And yet it takes only a few minutes for the show to utterly betray that promise. By the end of the first half-hour, we’ve been treated to a lengthy brawl between Alaqua Cox’s Maya Lopez and Charlie Cox’s Daredevil and a cameo by Jeremy Renner’s Hawkeye, with neither of the latter identified or introduced on screen for new viewers. As I watched Renner pull off his mask for a dramatic reveal, I spontaneously imagined a person sitting behind me, whispering to their date, “Which one is he?”
Instead of fleshing out its setting, Echo just dithers, haphazardly introducing plot points and then seeming to forget them for long stretches of time. With as many as seven writers credited on some episodes, Echo feels both overworked and unfinished, as if pieces were hacked out and rearranged at random.
https://slate.com/culture/2024/01/echo-marvel-show-disney-plus-hulu-re
view-hawkeye-mcu.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Marvel promises to do better, but then does the same old stupid things, again
In early November, less than a week before The Marvels opened to the worst box office in the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the company announced it was time for a fresh start. Echo, the MCU’s latest TV series, would mark the debut of a new line called Marvel Spotlight, one that would allow them to “bring more grounded, character-driven stories to the screen … focusing on street-level stakes over large MCU continuity.” In other words, you wouldn’t need to be deeply versed in the now 16-year history to understand what the heck was going on, a welcome (and much-needed) departure from a long string of releases that have left fans yawning and Disney scrambling.
The first episode of Echo, which premieres this Tuesday, lingers on the Marvel Spotlight logo longer than it does the one for Marvel Studios, introducing the new banner with fanfare by Oscar-winning composer Michael Giacchino to underline the sense of occasion. And yet it takes only a few minutes for the show to utterly betray that promise. By the end of the first half-hour, we’ve been treated to a lengthy brawl between Alaqua Cox’s Maya Lopez and Charlie Cox’s Daredevil and a cameo by Jeremy Renner’s Hawkeye, with neither of the latter identified or introduced on screen for new viewers. As I watched Renner pull off his mask for a dramatic reveal, I spontaneously imagined a person sitting behind me, whispering to their date, “Which one is he?”
Instead of fleshing out its setting, Echo just dithers, haphazardly introducing plot points and then seeming to forget them for long stretches of time. With as many as seven writers credited on some episodes, Echo feels both overworked and unfinished, as if pieces were hacked out and rearranged at random.
https://slate.com/culture/2024/01/echo-marvel-show-disney-plus-hulu-re
view-hawkeye-mcu.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Disney/Marvel doesn't actually promise anything. They just say a whole bunch of words they hope people want to hear after the fact.
Filming for this series started in April of 2022, long before Disney lost the first dime out of $1.8 Billion that they'd lose in 2023. They didn't have a great 2022, but I'm sure they had no idea what was coming the following year.
But hey! It's rated TV-MA! It's got to be good!
No. It's not. The choreography sucks. But what did you expect? You pigeonhole yourself to an actress that is not only Native American but who is also actually deaf in real life, and that leaves you with what... this one actress? Is there another deaf Native American woman in the country with an ounce of acting chops? One that doesn't have a prosthetic leg, perhaps? So you're perplexed why nobody buys any of the fight scenes because she didn't have a background in fighting too?
I know Sharice Davids is too busy these days being a US Representative from Kansas after her MMA career to play Echo, and at 46 years old she may have been a little long in the tooth and rusty at fighting for the role, but maybe you could have tapped in Nicco Montano if you wanted to have Netflix Daredevil levels of realism in your fight scenes.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2778848-nicco-montao-ufcs-first-na
tive-champ-has-a-story-you-need-to-hear
She's only 35 years old now, and though she hasn't been in the MMA since 2021, she was the UFC Women's Flyweight Champion in December of 2017.
After winning that fight, she said “We were dirt poor just before tonight in all reality. I’m going to go move to an apartment with some water pressure, and buy some good food and treats for my cats.”
That's a Cinderella story right there. One that didn't need to be manufactured.
Nicco is also
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You knew that Robert Downey Jr was not an engineering genius like Tony Stark and his Iron Man Suit does not fly. It was all fake from the beginning. What happens, next? There are two kinds of fake and Hollywood wants to sell the genuine kind you can believe in, at least for the length of the show, but because the storytellers have gotten fat and stupid at Marvel, since they became fabulously wealthy like Robert Downey Jr now is, the stories are not genuine any longer and can't be believed on any level. The Marvel stories, with the possible exception of Loki, are now mostly the other kind of fake, the bad kind.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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You knew that Robert Downey Jr was not an engineering genius like Tony Stark and his Iron Man Suit does not fly. It was all fake from the beginning.
Yeah. I know that Robert Downey Jr didn't have any engineering skills in real life, let alone the fact that he wasn't an engineering genius. That's the beauty of acting.
The difference here is, there was never a 5 minute montage scene in any of the Iron Man or Avengers movies that showcased Robert Downey Jr.'s real-life lack of engineering skills.
Echo has as many fight scenes as Daredevil had though, and when you've got an actress like Alaqua Cox who has never had prior experience fighting and two handicaps (being deaf and arguably more important the fact she has a prosthetic leg), it becomes very apparent despite whatever her level of acting ability is that she has never been in a fight in her entire life and doesn't know how to do the one thing her character is supposed to be doing in every action scene.
In other words, major false equivalency here.
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What happens, next? There are two kinds of fake and Hollywood wants to sell the genuine kind you can believe in, at least for the length of the show, but because the storytellers have gotten fat and stupid at Marvel, since they became fabulously wealthy like Robert Downey Jr now is, the stories are not genuine any longer and can't be believed on any level. The Marvel stories, with the possible exception of Loki, are now mostly the other kind of fake, the bad kind.
I'm glad you're all finally coming around to admitting how shit Disney and Marvel are. They haven't told a good story in ages. They got rid of all their actual talent and replaced good writing, good directing and good acting with diversity hires for the sake of diversity.
Though they're trying hard as hell to salvage Echo, it's going to fail.
But Echo was made during a time where Marvel/Disney still wasn't admitting that they had problems of their own making and also at a time where the entire Legacy Media apparatus was protecting them (see also: you turning on them in the previous few posts because your Legacy Media Masters allow you to have the correct opinion on the issue now).
The only real question now is whether or not Disney/Marvel actually learns from all of their mistakes and Echo's failure is simply one of the last remnants of a Disney culture that no longer exists in present day, or if they haven't actually learned any lessons yet and Echo is just another sign of things to come.
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Quote:Disney increased its production rate of movies far beyond its capacity to make good movies. The movies Disney now makes are only good in a limited way. The pictures are in focus. The color is realistic. The sound is excellent. All those things are engineering and can be expanded endlessly until Disney is making thousands of movies per year but there is a shortage of two things engineers cannot do, at least until engineers perfect artificial intelligence and robots --
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The only real question now is whether or not Disney/Marvel actually learns from all of their mistakes and Echo's failure is simply one of the last remnants of a Disney culture that no longer exists in present day, or if they haven't actually learned any lessons yet and Echo is just another sign of things to come.
1) write screenplays and compose music/songs that are as good as the best cameras and microphones.
2) build robots that can act/sing as well as the best humans.
I don't think Disney can find enough good human screenwriters/composers/songwriters and human actors/singers to match Disney's present-day production rate. Disney needs to make fewer movies, at least until those A.I. writers/songwriters and robot actors (ones that never have drug problems or flub their lines and can do their own stunts) are available.
All Disney Movies (1937 - Present)
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls026785255/
List of Walt Disney Pictures films
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Walt_Disney_Pictures_films
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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