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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And here is China, still trying to find places for all of that excess productive capacity.
THUGR:Quote:
What Happened: China’s National Bureau of Statistics released official private sector activity readings for December on Sunday, revealing a worse-than-expected contraction in the manufacturing sector. The non-manufacturing sector barely expanded, with the corresponding purchasing managers’ index at 50.4, up from 50.2 in November.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/el-erian-warns-merely-adding-f
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Always wrong is wrong again.
Too funny...
SIGNYM: How is that wrong? China's Belt and Road - essentially a foreign infrastructure project- is supposed to take the place of western markets, internal infrastructure, housing speculative boom (ghost cities). A lot of people left their small rural farms and moved to the cities, and China is desperate to find jobs for everyone bc, unlike most western nations, China doesn't have a "safety net". Joblessness leads to restlessness and disruption.
I think China's leadership is stupid. Not for their ultimate goals ... a productive society and increased standard of living for everyone ... but for the way they go about it. They jump into Big Projects... the Three Gorges Dam, instant industrialization, BRI, dislocating people from their small farms to raise the standard of living, housing projects, etc. without seeing if it will work first, or having a fallback plan in case it doesn't.
China has made a lot of progress but they've made a lot of mistakes. They take unnecessary risks with things that are entirely under their control, but wimp out when it comes to foreign relations.
THUGR: What you wrote implies a falsehood.
China has no excess of manufacturing to worry about.
What I posted came directly from
China’s National Bureau of Statistics.
And it states very clearly, China is suffering
a worse-than-expected contraction in the
manufacturing sector.
And there belt and road initiative
is failing miserably. The Chinese economy
is stating to free fall towards a total collapse.
Just like Russian comrade.
OMFG I can't believe anyone is your level of stupid.
OUTPUT can go up and down depending on demand.
But the FACTORIES are still there.
The PEOPLE are still there.
The CAPACITY is still there.
Scroll up. I specifically referred to capacity.
CAPACITY has been partly idled from lack of demand.
China wants to see it's factories running at capacity and its people fully employed. Working as I did with a pretty international set, I could ask a colleague of mine, who would go to China as part of a Christian missionary program, how things were in the cities and the hinterland.
I will pass along a story he told me.
When asked how many people it would take to run a western -constructed factory, the western manager said "100". Chinese officials countered with "Then you will hire 300". Even if it meant trimming the lawn with hand shears.
China really REALLY wants to keep its people busy and raise the standard of living.
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Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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China-U.S. cooperation 'no longer an option ... but an imperative' - Wang Yi
BEIJING (Reuters) -Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Friday the most urgent task for Sino-U.S. relations is to establish a correct understanding and cooperation between the two sides, stressing it is "no longer an option ... but an imperative" for the world.
Cooperation is the "most correct choice for China and the United States to get along", Wang said in a keynote speech at an event to mark the 45th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between China and the U.S.
"It can be said that China-U.S. cooperation is no longer an option for the two countries and even for the world, but an imperative that must be seriously addressed," Wang said.
Relations between the United States and China have been tense over a range of issues, including national security, global conflicts, trade curbs, climate change and Taiwan.
The diplomatic rift deepened last year as both accused each other of flying high-altitude balloons in their respective air spaces.
This past week, the two superpowers held competing military drills in the South China Sea as run-ins intensify in the region over disputed territory.
Wang said China hopes the U.S. will relax its mindset and "in an attitude of equality and inclusiveness" respect the choices made by the Chinese people and China's development path, including when defending its national sovereignty and territorial integrity.
"We are willing to commit ourselves to building a stable, healthy and sustainable China-U.S. relationship on the basis of mutual respect," he said.
Wang also said China's development and revitalisation has a "strong endogenous momentum", which he said meant that China will assume greater responsibility for the world's peace and development.
"We have no intention of replacing anyone, overriding anyone, and have no intention of seeking hegemony," he added.
The U.S. and its allies have often said they are concerned about an increasing alignment between China and Russia.
China's top diplomat travelled to the United States recently as both countries sought to manage their differences to avoid conflict.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-u-s-cooperation-no-longer-a
n-option-but-an-imperative-wang-yi/ar-AA1mvCGS?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=019789832e0c40d5b726a2db36cfba70&ei=25
Reading this I thought, China, stop bulling everyone. It shows the world you can't be trusted. Same with business. Now that the world has other countries to turn to for cheap labor they are choosing to do so because of the way they've been treated.
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Reality check for you THUGR:
How many nations has China invaded?
How many foreign elections has China determined?
How many foreign regime change operations has China completed?
How many nations has China sanctioned?
And, before you answer "Taiwan" to any of these questions, Taiwan is part of China, just as much as Texas is part of the USA.
I'll provide you with specific examples of China "bullying" nations later, if you bump this thread as a reminder.
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Reality check for you THUGR:
How many nations has China invaded?
How many foreign elections has China determined?
How many foreign regime change operations has China completed?
How many nations has China sanctioned?
And, before you answer "Taiwan" to any of these questions, Taiwan is part of China, just as much as Texas is part of the USA.
I'll provide you with specific examples of China "bullying" nations later, if you bump this thread as a reminder.
- SIGNYM
China bullying was what I posted about. Here is some evidence that I am correct. Your response to me shows you are clueless. Exactly as I've been saying. I am talking about China going under and some of the reasons why.
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OPINION
THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
China’s Bullying Is Becoming a Danger to the World and Itself
Ever since Deng Xiaoping opened China to the world in the late 1970s, many in the West wanted to see the country succeed, because we thought China — despite its brutal authoritarian political structure — was on a path to a more open economy and society. Alas, President Xi Jinping has reversed steps in that direction in ways that could pose a real danger to China’s future development and a real danger to the rest of the world.
Everything Xi is doing today is eroding trust among Chinese and foreign entrepreneurs about what the rules of business are now inside China, while at the same time eroding trust abroad that China — having swallowed Hong Kong — won’t soon move on Taiwan, which could trigger a direct conflict with the U.S.
While I don’t want Xi’s hard-line strategy to succeed — that would pose a danger to every free country and economy in the Pacific — I also don’t want China to fail or fracture. We’re talking about a country of 1.4 billion people whose destabilization would affect everything from the air you breathe to the cost of your shoes to the interest rate for the mortgage on your house. It’s a real dilemma. Alas, though, I don’t think Xi realizes just how much uncertainty his recent behavior has injected — inside and outside China.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/19/opinion/china-microchips.html
How China’s bullying could backfire
Humiliating those who defy it does not make them love China’s government
Dec 5th 2020
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China bullies other countries because it works. Once told that they have crossed a “red line” by harming China’s interests or calling out its misdeeds, many governments crumble swiftly. Others fold after suffering months of threats, trade boycotts and cancelled official meetings. But in China’s long experience, almost all—even sometimes America—climb down eventually, sending envoys to sue for peace. True, some Western leaders pay public lip-service to their own country’s values as they land in far-off Beijing. Once the press is shooed from the room, however, the foreign visitors get down to dealmaking. They bow to China’s mix of market power, geopolitical importance and ruthlessness.
Lately, bullying others into furtive submission has not been enough for Communist Party chiefs. Increasingly, they seem bent on humiliating countries that show defiance, notably small or mid-sized allies of America. Just now, it is Australia’s turn for punishment. Its transgressions include taking a lead among American allies in banning the use of 5g network equipment from Huawei, a Chinese telecommunications giant, and calling for an independent probe into the origins of covid-19. China has imposed hefty tariffs on Australian wine and blocked imports of everything from coal to lobsters. In November Chinese diplomats made public a list of 14 ways in which Australia was “poisoning bilateral relations”. The charge-sheet rebuked Australia for allowing news outlets, members of parliament and think-tanks to criticise China. Late last month China’
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Everything Xi is doing today is eroding trust among Chinese and foreign entrepreneurs about what the rules of business are now inside China, while at the same time eroding trust abroad that China — having swallowed Hong Kong — won’t soon move on Taiwan, which could trigger a direct conflict with the U.S.
China doesn't need foreign entrepreneurs anymore, having built up its industry. What it needs are customers.
It doesn't want to create internal oligarchs either.
Hong Kong and Taiwan ARE PART OF CHINA, as much as New York city and Texas are part if the USA. Writing about China "swallowing" Hong Kong is like writing about the USA "swallowing NYC" and writing about China "moving on" Taiwan is like writing about the USA "moving on" Texas.
That first paragraph alone tell me that Friedman is either an IDIOT or a LIAR.
Australian sanctions on China began in 2018
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The scandal resulted in Australia initiating a foreign agent register and a ban on foreign political donations.[6]
In 2018, Australia banned Chinese telecommunications companies Huawei and ZTE from providing 5G technology for new networks, citing security concerns
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia%E2%80%93China_trade_war
Trade relations certainly didn't improve with the signing of AUKUS in 2021, and Australia's agreement to essentially host American nuclear subs.
https://www.defense.gov/Spotlights/AUKUS/
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Everything Xi is doing today is eroding trust among Chinese and foreign entrepreneurs about what the rules of business are now inside China, while at the same time eroding trust abroad that China — having swallowed Hong Kong — won’t soon move on Taiwan, which could trigger a direct conflict with the U.S.
China doesn't need foreign entrepreneurs anymore, having built up its industry. What it needs are customers.
It doesn't want to create internal oligarchs either.
Hong Kong and Taiwan ARE PART OF CHINA, as much as New York city and Texas are part if the USA. Writing about China "swallowing" Hong Kong is like writing about the USA "swallowing NYC" and writing about China "moving on" Taiwan is like writing about the USA "moving on" Texas.
That first paragraph alone tell me that Friedman is either an IDIOT or a LIAR.
SIGNYM
Watch the video moron. I'll answer your post with this. China's work force is too small. Remember all the years of their one child policy. Most of its population is old. Thats only one of its problems. Watch the video. Then tell me what you disagree with. All I see you posting are word salads. Clueless word salads.
If you watch the video, you will learn how China cannot project its navy much further out than Tiawan. So, if they invade Tiawan, because they import 80% or more of everything they need, food and energy to name two things, we will set up an embargo where China cannot reach blocked goods from getting in. China will quickly collapse.
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THUGR: Everything Xi is doing today is eroding trust among Chinese and foreign entrepreneurs about what the rules of business are now inside China, while at the same time eroding trust abroad that China — having swallowed Hong Kong — won’t soon move on Taiwan, which could trigger a direct conflict with the U.S.
SIGNY: China doesn't need foreign entrepreneurs anymore, having built up its industry. What it needs are customers.
It doesn't want to create internal oligarchs either.
Hong Kong and Taiwan ARE PART OF CHINA, as much as New York city and Texas are part if the USA. Writing about China "swallowing" Hong Kong is like writing about the USA "swallowing NYC" and writing about China "moving on" Taiwan is like writing about the USA "moving on" Texas.
That first paragraph alone tell me that Friedman is either an IDIOT or a LIAR.
THUGR: Watch the video moron. I'll answer your post with this. China's work force is too small.
And yet, "they say":that China has an unemployment problem. That means no matter how small China's population, they still have excess labor pool. Seems like "they" can't make up their minds how to criticize China!
Quote:I consider your sources to be posting word garbage.
THUGR: Remember all the years of their one child policy. Most of its population is old. Thats only one of its problems. Watch the video. Then tell me what you disagree with. All I see you posting are word salads. Clueless word salads.
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If you watch the video, you will learn how China cannot project its navy much further out than Tiawan. So, if they invade Tiawan, because they import 80% or more of everything they need, food and energy to name two things, we will set up an embargo where China cannot reach blocking goods from getting in. China will quickly collapse.
CHINA CAN'T "INVADE" TAIWAN, NUMBSKULL! TAIWAN IS NOT A NATION, IT IS PART OF CHINA! THAT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING THE USA "INVADED" TEXAS. BOTH YOU AND YOUR "SOURCES" PERSIST WITH THIS DELUSION. PLEASE NEVER REFER TO THIS AGAIN!
AFA "blockading" China to punish this non-existent "invasion" you keep yapping about ... China is working very hard to establish invulnerable or less vulnerable trade routes. That is why China has established and is establishing overland trade with Russia, Iran etc.
You haven't yet provided an example of China invading and occupying another nation, overthrowing a government, or bullying neighbors. There are examples, you just don't know about them bc you're focused on fake issues.
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Frank Zappa famously said, “You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline.” Well, Taiwan has both of those — plus its own government, a president, its own currency, economy, and military, and it holds free and democratic elections. Zappa would surely approve.
Taiwan claims it is independent. America only recognizes that China staked claim to the island. Not that America agrees that China has a right to Taiwan.
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Always wrong signym is still, always wrong. Watch the video.
And I see she is confusing my post with her own again. Troll...the first quote is entirely hers not mine. So I fixed it.
According to the World Economic forum comrade...
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China needs 11.8m workers.
The seventh national population census of the People’s Republic of China suggests a potential Chinese labour force gap for the next decade and beyond. In fact, we calculate the projected annual labour force gap to be around 11.8 million.
The Seventh National Population Census of China suggests demographic and educational gaps in the country's labour force in the next 10 years and beyond;
The demographic gap may prompt China to delay retirement age and reform immigration policies;
The educational gap may force China to strengthen vocational training and encourage skilled immigrants in a new model of China's opening-up strategy.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/how-to-fix-china-labour-shortag
e/
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
signym: Everything Xi is doing today is eroding trust among Chinese and foreign entrepreneurs about what the rules of business are now inside China, while at the same time eroding trust abroad that China — having swallowed Hong Kong — won’t soon move on Taiwan, which could trigger a direct conflict with the U.S.
SIGNY: China doesn't need foreign entrepreneurs anymore, having built up its industry. What it needs are customers.
It doesn't want to create internal oligarchs either.
Hong Kong and Taiwan ARE PART OF CHINA, as much as New York city and Texas are part if the USA. Writing about China "swallowing" Hong Kong is like writing about the USA "swallowing NYC" and writing about China "moving on" Taiwan is like writing about the USA "moving on" Texas.
That first paragraph alone tell me that Friedman is either an IDIOT or a LIAR.
THUGR: Watch the video moron. I'll answer your post with this. China's work force is too small.
And yet, "they say":that China has an unemployment problem. That means no matter how small China's population, they still have excess labor pool. Seems like "they" can't make up their minds how to criticize China!Quote:I consider your sources to be posting word garbage.
THUGR: Remember all the years of their one child policy. Most of its population is old. Thats only one of its problems. Watch the video. Then tell me what you disagree with. All I see you posting are word salads. Clueless word salads.Quote:
If you watch the video, you will learn how China cannot project its navy much further out than Tiawan. So, if they invade Tiawan, because they import 80% or more of everything they need, food and energy to name two things, we will set up an embargo where China cannot reach blocking goods from getting in. China will quickly collapse.
CHINA CAN'T "INVADE" TAIWAN, NUMBSKULL! TAIWAN IS NOT A NATION, IT IS PART OF CHINA! THAT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING THE USA "INVADED" TEXAS. BOTH YOU AND YOUR "SOURCES" PERSIST WITH THIS DELUSION. PLEASE NEVER REFER TO THIS AGAIN!
AFA "blockading" China to punish this non-existent "invasion" you keep yapping about ... China is working very hard to establish invulnerable or less vulnerable trade routes. That is why China has established and is establishing overland trade with Russia, Iran etc.
You haven't yet provided an example of China invading and occupying another nation, overthrowing a government, or bullying neighbors. There are examples, you just don't know about them bc you're focused on fake issues.
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