The Hunger Games Prequel Failure Thread
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Monday, December 25, 2023 00:02
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The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes is available for FREE from https://yts.mx/movies/the-hunger-games-the-ballad-of-songbirds-snakes-
2023
It premiered on Nov 17, 2023, only 3 weeks ago. How does a movie make money when it is also available for FREE? Owning a movie theater is such a difficult business to be in.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Hunger-Games-The-The-Ballad-of-Songb
irds-and-Snakes-(2023)#tab=summary
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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How does a movie make money when it is also available for FREE?
Apparently it wasn't made for you. You people never pay for anything.
A lesson that Disney learned in 2023 and would be wise to put into practice going forward.
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Songbirds & Snakes takes 2nd place again this weekend.
$262,506,535 is the Worldwide total right now. It doesn't appear that International money has been added yet, since it was over $255 Million after Friday's projections and it made another $6.7 Million on Saturday/Sunday. So there's probably another $8 or $9 Million international coming to keep it right around 50/50 like it's been since the start, or somewhere just over $270 Million.
Unless Bruce adds back that $8 Million that Five Nights at Freddy's lost last week, Songbirds & Snakes is only $31 Million behind now without those internationals. With $9.5 Million in the bank this weekend in the US, there is a chance that it beats FNAF.
It still cost 5 times as much as FNAF to make, but it could be the only movie out of the three (Wish and The Marvels) that actually can claim it grossed more than FNAF.
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Nope. Looks like 51% Domestic / 49% International.
$266,461,092 is the Worldwide number after the weekend.
Five Nights at Freddy's is at $293 Million, so the race is on.
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It appears that we've already got internationals in for S&S along with the weekend projections. Another $5.8 Million in the US and enough international money in to make it a virtual 50/50 split again with less than $100k difference between Domestic/International now.
Total WW Gross is now $290,383,094.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (November 20th):
I'll come right out and say it. I want S&S to fail to break even just because I don't Rachel Zegler to be able to have anybody who can claim that one of her first 4 movies didn't bomb in the box office.
But I also feel the need to maintain my own integrity and not call something a flop when it hasn't yet proven itself a flop. And on that note, Ryan Kinel pissed me off yesterday claiming that S&S needs $300 Million to break even.
S&S does NOT need $300 Million to break even. S&S needs only $250 Million to break even.
These movies are doing badly enough on their own that we don't need people with actual voices out there lying about things like this and discrediting not only themselves, but everybody else who is sick of the woke bullshit and is enjoying watching them all finally fail hard in 2023.
So far, S&S is not a flop.
It very well could be one by next weekend, but people with YouTube/Twitter presences need to stop calling it a flop until it is actually a flop.
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I hope it fails hard by the 2nd weekend, but until it does I will not call this a flop.
Fast forward to December 17th: Obviously, not a flop.
Congratulations, Rachel, on your first Box Office win. Keep your mouth shut going forward and the general audiences will probably forget over time how insufferable you are. I get it. Kids and young adults kinda suck. Especially those born with a silver spoon up their ass. I hope that you really reflect on the last year and take away the right lessons from all of this and become a well-balanced adult who is grateful for your position in life rather than spending the rest of it being an entitled brat.
I also hope for your sake that Snow White gets shelved like Batgirl, or Disney will have spent the money to make such extensive changes to the movie by the time it releases that it doesn't even resemble whatever horror show you all had originally planned to release. Because even if you've genuinely changed your tune by the time that movie finally releases you're not through the worst of it yet.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (November 27th):
This one is probably going to easily clear $300 Million worldwide because of back-to-back Disney flops. It could even reach $350 Million if nothing else competes with it for the rest of the year. They're already calling Aquaman 2 a flop, so we'll see.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (December 5th):
Any chances S&S had of grossing $350 Million are gone now, but it could still hit $300 Million if it keeps its legs and is in theaters long enough.
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I don't imagine that 2 months ago anybody was predicting that out of The Marvels, Wish and S&S the only one that would gross more worldwide than FNAF was going to be this one.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure my revised opinion that it won't make $350 Million was correct. At $290 Million now, I just don't see it happening unless something completely unexpected happens like Bruce finding $20+ Million of international money that fell under the couch cushions.
But $300 Million is an absolute certainty now, so even Ryan Kinel with his lie of an inflated break-even number can go bounce on that (although, we all know he's never going to mention Songbirds and Snakes on his channel ever again).
Five Nights at Freddy's is essentially dead now, both in the US and apparently internationally as well. So unless taking away $8 Million a while back from its international gross was a mistake to be rectified in the future, S&S shouldn't have any pr
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Only a month after it arrived in theaters, it is streaming, which pretty much explains why ticket sales have crashed for people who are aware that they can see a movie at home for less money than at the theater, with cheaper popcorn, and no traveling:
‘The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes’ Gets a Digital Release: Where to Watch It Online
'The Hunger Games' prequel starring Tom Blyth, Rachel Zegler, Peter Dinklage, Jason Schwartzman and Viola Davis is available to watch at home starting Dec. 19.
By Rudie Obias | December 18, 2023 11:22am
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/watch-strea
m-the-hunger-games-online-1235761980/
Domestic Releases: November 17th, 2023 (Wide) by Lionsgate
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Hunger-Games-The-The-Ballad-of-Songb
irds-and-Snakes-(2023)#tab=summary
There are also free copies out there. One in particular:
https://psa.wf/movie/the-hunger-games-the-ballad-of-songbirds-snakes-2
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One in general: https://unblockit.ing/
The one in general keeps moving around. To follow its movements to new locations, go to https://twitter.com/ThePirateProxy
https://www.reddit.com/r/Unblockit/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Only a month after it arrived in theaters, it is streaming, which pretty much explains why ticket sales have crashed for people who are aware that they can see a movie at home for less money than at the theater, with cheaper popcorn, and no traveling:
Crashed? What are you even talking about?
It hasn't crashed.
In fact, despite its disappointing opening weekend of $44,607,143, it's had fantastic legs throughout its entire run so far... but most importantly on its 2nd weekend.
This was the 2nd reason that I predicted after only 2 weekends it was going to be profitable. The first reason was when the production budget of only $100 Million was announced right before release, at which point I had already figured I might have made a mistake when predicting S&S was going to fail (it's all in the history of this thread).
Songbirds and Snakes dropped only -35%, 51%, 34% and 37% per weekend since it opened.
Any weekend less than -50% from the previous is considered good business. ESPECIALLY the 2nd weekend drop. The further away from -50%, the better you did. When you're running an average after 5 weeks of only -39.25%, it means you did something right.
Opening Weekend: $44,607,143
Domestic Total after 31 days: $145,260,915
Worldwide Total after 31 days: $292,337,640
Needed to break even: $250,000,000
Money Made/Lost: +$42,337,640
Let's do some comparisons here...
The Marvels: -78%, -38%, -60%, -46%, -60%
Opening Weekend: $46,110,859
Domestic Total after 38 days: $84,029,703
Worldwide total after 38 days: $199,628,335
Needed to break even: $687,500,000
Money Made/Lost: -$487,871,665
Wish: -61%, 31%, 40%
Opening Weekend: $19,698,228
Domestic Total after 26 days: $54,235,593
Worldwide Total after 26 days: $126,135,593
Needed to break even $500,000,000
Money Made/Lost: -$373,864,407
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania: -70%, -60%, -44%, -41%, -43%, -49%, -76%, -85%, -56%, -40%
Opening Weekend: $106,109,650
Domestic Total after 119 days: $214,506,909
Worldwide Total after 119 days: $463,635,303
Needed to break even $500,000,000
Money Made/Lost: -$36,364,697
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: -55%, -55%, -46%, -41%, -60%, -42%, -52%, -47%, -46%, -56%
Opening Weekend: $60,368,101
Domestic Total after 77 days: $174,480,468
Worldwide Total after 77 days: $381,561,976
Needed to break even $750,000,000
Money Made/Lost: -$368,438,024
It should also be noted that the days of a floundering flick getting 119 days in the theaters like Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania did are over. 1st quarter of 2023 was a very long time ago and the entire box office model has changed since then.
Indiana Jones only got 77 days. The Flash only got 63 days. Blue Beetle only got 77 days.
Also...
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Any weekend less than -50% from the previous is considered good business. ESPECIALLY the 2nd weekend drop. The further away from -50%, the better you did. When you're running an average after 5 weeks of only -39.25%, it means you did something right.
This is perfectly on display here when you look at Songbirds & Snakes compared to The Marvels since their opening weekend numbers are so similar.
Songbirds and Snakes opened to $44,607,143.
The Marvels opened to $46,110,859
But after only 31 days, Songbirds and Snakes has made 326% of its opening weekend.
With an entire extra week in theaters, The Marvels has only managed to make 182% of its opening weekend with 38 days.
Sure, the average drop of 56.4% for The Marvels doesn't sound all that bad on paper, but it suffered from a -78% drop on weekend 2, which was the most massive drop for a comic book movie in history. So even though it managed to eek out only a -38% drop on Weekend 3, the damage had already been done.
The Marvel's only made $6,325,243 on Weekend 3 after the -38% drop. But that's compared to the $46,110,859 it got only 2 weekends prior before it suffered that -78% dro
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Quote:Here are the numbers for five The Hunger Games movies:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Only a month after it arrived in theaters, it is streaming, which pretty much explains why ticket sales have crashed for people who are aware that they can see a movie at home for less money than at the theater, with cheaper popcorn, and no traveling:
Crashed? What are you even talking about?
It hasn't crashed.
Note well the decreasing Gross as time goes by.
Release Date Domestic Gross Worldwide Gross
Mar 8, 2012 $408,010,692 $677,923,379
Nov 15, 2013 $424,668,047 $864,808,014
Nov 19, 2014 $337,135,885 $766,575,131
Nov 18, 2015 $281,723,902 $646,219,954
Nov 15, 2023 $145,260,915 $292,337,640
https://www.the-numbers.com/custom-search?searchterm=The+Hunger+Games
Hollywood will not be rebooting this movie series because teenagers in the not-too-distant future will realize that they can stay home and watch a REBOOTED Hunger Games (or some similar, but all-new, Young Adult movies) without paying high movie theater prices (or outrageous snack prices).
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:Here are the numbers for five The Hunger Games movies:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Only a month after it arrived in theaters, it is streaming, which pretty much explains why ticket sales have crashed for people who are aware that they can see a movie at home for less money than at the theater, with cheaper popcorn, and no traveling:
Crashed? What are you even talking about?
It hasn't crashed.
Note well the decreasing Gross as time goes by.
Release Date Domestic Gross Worldwide Gross
Mar 8, 2012 $408,010,692 $677,923,379
Nov 15, 2013 $424,668,047 $864,808,014
Nov 19, 2014 $337,135,885 $766,575,131
Nov 18, 2015 $281,723,902 $646,219,954
Nov 15, 2023 $145,260,915 $292,337,640
https://www.the-numbers.com/custom-search?searchterm=The+Hunger+Games
No. It didn't decrease over time.
The 2nd Hunger Games movie made more than the 1st movie.
You'd know that if you looked at the fucking numbers you just posted, twit.
The reason the 3rd and especially the 4th did worse is because A) Fans were pissed they split the last book up into 2 movies and B) Fans didn't care much for either the 1st or 2nd part of the 3rd movie. Go look up the reviews yourself. In fact, you can just scroll up toward the beginning of this thread because I've already gone over all of this in detail.
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Hollywood will not be rebooting this movie series because teenagers in the not-too-distant future will realize that they can stay home and watch a REBOOTED Hunger Games (or some similar, but all-new, Young Adult movies) without paying high movie theater prices (or outrageous snack prices).
Of course Hollywood will reboot it. That is what Hollywood always does.
In the meantime, this movie will get a sequel because it was profitable.
You're such an argumentative idiot that you're now arguing my usual side of watching Hollywood burn because you have no core values or any purpose or meaning to your life.
If you weren't paying any attention at all, I was rooting for this movie to fail. It didn't. And I'm man enough to let everyone know that I was wrong and that this movie was actually a success.
It didn't do worse than the old Hunger Games movies because people can watch it at home. It did worse because it didn't have anybody from the original cast and it had been nearly a decade since the last movie came out. It also did worse because it wasn't as good as the original movies. And even though it didn't sink the movie, the Rachel Zegler Factor was in play to a degree as well.
But it still made money. And in a year when Lionsgate had 4 expensive turds that hurt their bottom line deeply, they're not going to forget it. And, unlike Disney, Lionsgate wisely lowered their Production Budget for this and all their other movies that came out this year. Songbirds & Snakes was $25 to $30 Million cheaper than the last 3 Hunger Games movies were to make. With inflation factored in, it was $62 to $107 Million cheaper to make than the last 3 Hunger Games movies.
And your stupid ass argument that "ticket sales crashed" because it was available for streaming online now both legally and illegally was pure bullshit and I provided all the figures proving that.
You didn't read that and admit that you were wrong, because you're a sad little boy.
Go cry to your mommy, cunt. Nobody here gives a shit about all of your incorrect opinions and your desire to always be the center of attention.
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Quote:Over many different movies, your thesis is go woke, go broke. Hunger Games has a female win the games so it is "woke". And none of the Hunger Games actors (unlike Sound of Freedom) have declared their loyalty to Trump so it is "woke". My thesis is that technology is killing ticket sales. Few movies are worth the price of a theater ticket when you can view it on an 8K TV for almost free, no matter which politician endorses it or which country gives tax credits for making it on their soil. But what if you don't have an 8K and you don't know that 30 days from a movie's opening in theaters it will be streamed? But what if you want to hang out at the movies and then go eat a hamburger and fries while discussing it with your dad/mom or friends? Those will be the majority of customers for theater tickets one of these days. Too bad for theater owners and Hollywood, but technology, not "wokeness", will decrease the number of customers buying tickets.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
And your stupid ass argument that "ticket sales crashed" because it was available for streaming online now both legally and illegally was pure bullshit and I provided all the figures proving that.
You didn't read that and admit that you were wrong, because you're a sad little boy.
Go cry to your mommy, cunt. Nobody here gives a shit about all of your incorrect opinions and your desire to always be the center of attention.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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