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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Monday, December 18, 2023 7:11 PM

If the US stops supporting Ukraine there will be bad consequences for America. Not immediately, but eventually and very expensively:

Putin’s reassurances about his peaceful intentions toward NATO ring hollow in the context of the threats he and Kremlin pundits have recently been making against NATO member states. Putin threatened Poland on July 21, stating that Russia would respond “with all the means” at its disposal after Warsaw sent troops to the Belarusian-Polish border due to the redeployment of Wagner Group fighters to Belarus.[8] Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev threatened on August 29 that Russia had “an opportunity to act within the framework of jus ad bellum against everyone in NATO countries” when commenting on Western support of Ukrainian strikes on occupied Crimea.[9] Medvedev similarly threatened Poland in November when he stated that Russia deems Warsaw to be a “dangerous enemy” that could lose its “statehood.”[10] A Russian propagandist suggested on Russian state TV on December 2 that Baltic states would be Russia’s next military target and that they would fall shortly after Ukraine.[11] Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov, Medvedev, and other pundits consistently threaten to use nuclear weapons against the United States and other NATO countries.[12] These threats are part of long-standing Russian narratives about attacking NATO that predated Finland’s application and acceptance into the alliance on April 4.[13] The statements of Russian pundits do not pose a military threat to NATO countries, to be sure, but they are important context for Putin’s ostensible effort to calm the waters during his December 17 interview. Putin’s proclamation that Russia has no interest in invading NATO is also very similar to the Kremlin’s persistent claims in late 2021 and early 2022 — including right up to the eve of the invasion — that Russia did not intend to invade Ukraine.[14] The interview was likely a deliberate attempt to reamplify the Kremlin’s efforts to misrepresent the Russian military threat as an imaginary and artificial NATO invention.[15]

Putin’s worldview suggests that Putin regards anything less than full Western surrender to Russian grand strategic objectives as insufficient.[43]

This zero-sum world view of geopolitics is indicative of Putin’s personal philosophy, which prizes power above all else and frames any compromise as defeat. Putin implied in the Rossiya 1 interview that he did not apologize to his mother as a child (despite her punishments and numerous requests for an apology) but held firm until she finally wavered in punishing him.[44] This anecdote, bizarrely intruded into a conversation about Russian strategic objectives, may have been an indirect reference to Putin’s commitment to force those opposed to him to capitulate. This view is also clearly seen in the key thesis of Putin’s quasi-auto-biography First Person, which argues that Putin concluded that it was necessary to impose his will upon the world for Russia’s survival.[45]

The Kremlin's repeated rhetoric about its hostile intent towards NATO, coupled with Russia’s potential future military capabilities in the event of Russian victory in Ukraine, poses a credible — and costly — threat to Western security. If Russia were able to achieve its stated maximalist objective of full Ukrainian capitulation, likely leading to a Russian military occupation of Ukraine, Russia would be able to deploy forces right up to NATO’s border from the Black Sea to the Arctic Ocean.[46] ISW recently assessed that the sudden collapse of Western aid would likely lead sooner or later to the collapse of Ukraine’s ability to hold off the Russian military.[47] Given Russia’s demonstrated hostile intent towards NATO and its potential military capabilities along almost the entirety of NATO’s eastern border, the West would be obliged to prepare to defend against possible Russian action against NATO. The cost of these defensive measures would be astronomical and would likely be accompanied by a period of very hig

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Monday, December 18, 2023 9:24 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

That's a boldfaced lie.

There are homeless programs, but it's a grift that very few people get rich off of while it does absolutely nothing to help homeless people.

I thought you guys were the party of "don't blame the victims".

6ix, you talk nonsense.



I'm quoting dumbfuck shitlibs from websites you read everyday.

Vox: A safety campaign blames pedestrians for getting hit by cars. This response is perfect.

https://www.vox.com/2015/3/31/8319189/pedestrian-safety-campaign

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What Browne is pointing out here is that the original ad is engaging in a bit of victim-blaming.

Yes, if you're a pedestrian, wearing bright colors reduces your risk of getting hit by a car. But ultimately, it's drivers that are responsible for running over pedestrians — and there's something weird about putting up safety ads on buses that focus on pedestrians' choice of attire instead.




Vox: Things not do in anti-rape campaigns: blame the victim

https://www.vox.com/2014/8/4/5966593/anti-rape-campaign-victim-blaming

Vox: Megan Thee Stallion, Me Too, and hip-hop’s cycle of misogynoir

The outcome of the Tory Lanez shooting trial won’t erase Megan Thee Stallion’s pain.

https://www.vox.com/culture/23494788/megan-thee-stallion-tory-lanez-as
sault-trial


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There’s a very real combination of slut-shaming and victim-blaming that is happening in this case, as well.



Vox: Stop calling them “accidents”

From car crashes to environmental spills to workplace injuries, author Jessie Singer encourages us to reconsider the word “accident.”

https://www.vox.com/23016529/there-are-no-accidents-jessie-singer

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When someone is killed in an “accident,” let’s say a car crash, for example, people almost always ask questions like, “Was he in the crosswalk? Was she wearing a helmet? What color clothes were they wearing?” Why is it that we feel compelled to do that?

Questions of blame are really important to us when things get scary. This is especially true with accidents because they seem random, because we’re focused on that last person who made a mistake. It seems like there could have been no other conditions under which that mistake was made.

Seemingly random horrors and tragedies are terrifying. As a result, victim blaming, or even perpetrator blaming, is a comfort because it’s a way of feeling in control of an uncontrollable situation.



Vox: Quiz: Are you blaming the victim?

https://www.vox.com/2014/7/25/5937977/what-is-victim-blaming-quiz

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Stephen A. Smith, one of ESPN's marquee sports commentators, felt the wrath of Twitter Friday afternoon after an on-air conversation about domestic violence took a controversial but familiar turn. Smith was discussing NFL player Ray Rice, who recently received a two-game suspension from the Baltimore Ravens as punishment for a February arrest for assaulting his now-wife.

Smith noted that violence against women is wrong, but he also cautioned women to "make sure [they] don't do anything to provoke wrong actions" and to do their part "in making sure [an assault] doesn't happen." This sparked some heavy debate about how much responsibility women might carry for violence committed against them by men, as well as accusations of victim-blaming.

It's an issue around which there is much confusion. So what is blaming the victim? Are you doing it? Click below to find out.




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If you don't blame the fucking victim, they go off and victimize themselves until they are dead, all the time wondering why bad things happen to them.


I agree. 100%.

Vox would disagree with you. Maybe you should stop supporting them and/or believing everything else they tell you.

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6ix, your drunkenness was all your fault. You bought the beers and you drank them. If you had kept it up and drank the mo

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Monday, December 18, 2023 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It just reminds me of the book "When society becomes an addict".
We are addicted to comforting ideas about us, about the world, but these ideas are dysfunctional in the real world. Look at JO753. Look at THUGR. Look at SECOND.

Instead of demanding jobs in a vibrant economy, we're stuck on demanding handouts, "reparations", blaming all kinds of "isms", living on credit cards and social media... WTF kind of society and economy is THAT???

We may have to hit hottom, have a nationwide red pill moment, throw out the entire echelon of politicos and elites and media whores on their collective asses, and reconstitute ourselves with a better grip on reality.

SECOND: Matthew Perry died last week because he did not have a 24/7 guardian who could not be fired and who would consistently tell him that, no, he could not use those drugs and if he even tried the guardian would zap him with a cattle prod. That lack of a guardian is what is wrong with most Americans.



Our Congresspeople and "officials" need a cattleprod to remind them to behave well.
They can't control themselves, nobody is doing it for them, and they won't voluntarily behave well 24/7, all of which gets them into trouble and ruins America. They are feckless.


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Monday, December 18, 2023 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Our Congresspeople and "officials" need a cattleprod to remind them to behave well.
They can't control themselves, nobody is doing it for them, and they won't voluntarily behave well 24/7, all of which gets them into trouble and ruins America. They are feckless.

My Congressmen are Ted Cruz, John Cornyn, and Brian Babin. They are Republicans and none of them did a damn thing admirable as private citizens and they were worse once in government. I know Trumptards. They love to talk about how competent and farsighted they are but none of you ever anticipate problems before they become crises, not in your personal lives and definitely not in your politics. You Trumptards screw up yourselves and you want to expand into ruining other people's lives with your lack of wisdom and inability to foresee the obvious, whether it is climate change or Russia invading Europe after Ukraine, rehanging the old Iron Curtain:

Cruz, Cornyn vote down Ukraine aid
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/06/ted-cruz-john-cornyn-texas-ukr
aine-israel-border
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 18, 2023 11:43 PM

How about a recap of SECOND'S endless diarrhea of the brain?

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?Ukraine has won a major victory over Russia

The net result of the ‘pushing back’ of the Black Sea Fleet to the east is that the water between the Ukrainian port of Odesa and Snake Island is now fairly safe for merchant shipping

Er, no. Russia could EASILY sink any ship with its extensive array of medium-range anti-ship missiles, and could easily mine the sea lanes. It doesn't bc being seen interfering with grain shipments would be bad politics with the "global south".

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[A]s Christopher Fettweiss and others have pointed out, the theory of Realism was falsified by events since the end of the Cold War. So-called Realism predicted that large states always seek to maximize their power and aggrandize their preeminence, but the Soviet Union voluntarily went out of existence.

Wow. That undercuts SECOND'S whole premise that Russia will inevitably invade Europe. Leave it to SECOND for an "own goal"!

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Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova emphasized that Russia's maximalist objectives in Ukraine have not changed, repeating the Kremlin’s demand for full Ukrainian political capitulation and Kyiv’s acceptance of Russia’s military and territorial demands rather than suggesting any willingness to negotiate seriously.
Demilitarization, de-Nazification, neutrality. How far they need to go to achieve these goals is up to the west. Russia was willing to negotiate in 2022. The west was not. The west STILL isn't ready to negotiate.

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Hazing ... In 2006, [ seventeen years ago ] as Lenta.ru reported, the then-prosecutor-general of Russia, Vladimir Ustinov, even admitted in a speech to President Vladimir Putin and his prosecutor colleagues that he “is unable to do anything about the criminality in the armed forces.”

The survivors of this hazing say the main goal is to break young men. They are turned into submissive, intimidated, and obedient drones who will not ask unnecessary questions nor show any independent thought or initiative.

You wouldn't know it by how their armed forces fight.

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Where the Russia-Ukraine war is headed in 2024
by Mark Temnycky [a Kiev functionary in the Atlantic Council]
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4350387-where-the-russia-ukr
aine-war-is-headed-in-2024/

To date, the U.S. has provided more than $46 billion in defense assistance to Ukraine and sent more than $26 billion in financial and humanitarian aid. The slow pace at arming Ukraine was alarming, and it may have prolonged the war.

The USA was stuffing Ukraine with weapons from 2014 onwards. If the collective west is no longer supplying weapons it's bc we have none to spare. Beating on us isn't going to make artillery shells and Patriot Systems and tanks magically appear. Russia was willing to negotiate in 2022. The west wasn't. The west STILL isn't ready to negotiate.

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US intelligence reportedly assessed that Russian offensive operations in eastern Ukraine in fall 2023 and through the upcoming winter aim to weaken Western support for Ukraine instead of achieving any immediate operational objectives.
Demilitarize, de-Nazify, neutrality. Russia was willing to negotiate in 2022. AFA western support: we can give Kiev money, but that won't solve their military problem bc they're running out of weapons and soldiers. Russia was ready to negotiate in 2022. The west wasn't. The west STILL isn't.


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The Kremlin appears to be returning to expansionist rhetoric last observed before Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in an effort to resurface its claims that Ukraine is part of historically Russian territory and discuss the borders Russian leaders regard as appropriate for a rump Ukrainian state.
Rusdia was willing to negotiate in 2022. The west coast wasn't. The west STILL isn't ready to negotiate. Since the west refused to honor previous agreeme

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Monday, December 18, 2023 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

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If you stop using insulin and stop replacing your diabetes monitor, you are dead. Again, if you stop, you ruin yourself and it is your fault.


I agree. 100%.

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I don't even understand why you posted this in your reply.

All it does is confirm that I agree 100% with what you posted about my alcoholism being my own fault.

I see what is wrong with you. There have been thousands of years of experience with alcoholism, so you could NOT be unaware of what you were doing before you became an alcoholic, but you drank for years despite that history. You most certainly lack something if you cannot anticipate what is going to happen and foolishly allow bad experiences to teach you what is already well known. The same is true of all of Russian history as it is true of all the history of alcohol. It is obvious that Russia and alcohol are problems. The entire record of both are two parallel stories of human suffering.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, December 18, 2023 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
How about a recap of SECOND'S endless diarrhea of the brain?

Er, no. Russia could EASILY sink any ship with its extensive array of medium-range anti-ship missiles, and could easily mine the sea lanes. It doesn't bc being seen interfering with grain shipments would be bad politics with the "global south".

Wow. That undercuts SECOND'S whole premise that Russia will inevitably invade Europe. Leave it to SECOND for an "own goal"!

Demilitarization, de-Nazification, neutrality. How far they need to go to achieve these goals is up to the west.

You wouldn't know it by how their armed forces fight.

The USA was stuffing Ukraine with weapons from 2014 onwards. If the collective west is no longer supplying weapons it's bc we have none to spare. Beating on us isn't going to make artillery shells and Patriot Systems and tanks magically appear.

Demilitarize, de-Nazify, neutrality. Russia was willing to negotiate in 2022. AFA western support: we can giveKiev money, but that won't solve their military problem bc they're running out of weapons and soldiers.

Rusdia was willing to negotiate last year. Since the west refused to honor previous agreements or negotiate a way forward, Russia has shifted to a military solution.

Thru Crimea??? Been there, tried that. All it did was lose Ukraine a
tons of armored vehicles and tens of thousands of soldiers.

True. Russia was willing to negotiate in 2022. Not any more.

Signym, Russia has killed about 100 million Russians since 1900 by incompetence at growing food, incompetence at making war, and incompetence at running a government. This is not what happens to normal, rational, sane people. And now the Russians are bringing their uniquely defective personalities to Ukraine.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Russia+has+killed+about+100+million+Ru
ssians+since+1900


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 19, 2023 12:09 AM

More diarrhea of the brain, SECOND? Are you saying that the Russian of today is the same as the Russia of 1900?
Man, you are stuck in some sort of fantasy, aren't you???

What will you do when reality catches up with you??

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Tuesday, December 19, 2023 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More diarrhea of the brain, SECOND? Are you saying that the Russian of today is the same as the Russia of 1900?
Man, you are stuck in some sort of fantasy, aren't you???

What will you do when reality catches up with you??

The belief system that motivated Texans to join the Confederacy is very much alive in East Texas. If there weren't laws against it, slavery and Civil War murder would rampage across the former Confederate States of America. While America has changed for the better since 1900, Russia has failed to leave its horrifying past behind. This is why Russia continuously threatens to nuke the West, split Korea into North and South which is still killing millions of North Koreans, held on to Eastern Europe until the Soviet Union collapsed, held on to the Kuril Islands despite Japan demanding the return of the islands, and why Russia invaded Ukraine.

On February 7, 2023, the 168th anniversary of the 1855 Treaty of Shimoda, Japan reaffirmed its position that it considers the four islands to be illegally occupied by Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuril_Islands_dispute#Japan_reaffirms_it
s_position_that_the_islands_are_illegally_occupied


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 19, 2023 3:25 AM

Fuck Texas and Fuck you.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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