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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Friday, December 15, 2023 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, we're not slaves to NATO. You know how so many nations are TECHNICALLY part of NATO but don't really put much $ into it?

SIX: Yeah. But none of them are being forced into membership like we're going to force ourselves.
Let me put it another way...
Do you think that Auto Insurance companies started charging their customers more or less money after it became law that you had to have auto insurance if you were going to drive a car?

SIGNY: Trump could be such an unpleasant NATO partner, refusing to pay into it, refusing to station troops , twisting arms so other nations pay their "fair share" they're BEGGING him to leave.


SIX: Yeah. He could...
Or they could make a claim that he's Quiet Quitting NATO, or even get more hyperbolic and call it Suicide By Cop.

No good comes from legally binding us to a hierarchy in which WE are not the ones in control.
Look how many of our elected officials just voted us into this from both sides of the Uniparty. This is no different than the elected officials in European countries did when they voted to cede power to the EU, and look how that turned out.



I agree about being bound into a non- sovereign power structure. That's why I was dead set against NAFTA, and (later) TTP and TTIP.

But SIX, NATO has already been ratified.
How Trump, or any President, chooses to participate is a matter for the President, NOT Congress or "The Interagency". If Trump or any other President chooses "quiet - quitting" it's his or her prerogative. I realize there would be a lot of pushback from The Interagency, Congress, the MIC ... a lot of powerful forces. But with the right aides and allies and a big broom to sweep out enemies, it can be done.

Also, what Congress does, a new Congress can undo.

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Friday, December 15, 2023 11:04 PM

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"Russia lost 360,000 people in the war, according to Putin," Matveev wrote. "244 thousand mobilized. 486 thousand volunteers. And there are only 617 thousand at the front. Entertaining military mathematics from Putin.

"The losses were 113 thousand people," he continued. "But there was also the invasion group and those who were recruited before mobilization. And this is around 250 thousand. That is, Putin literally admitted irretrievable losses in the amount of 363 thousand people."



WTF is Matveev smoking?

Not everyone is stationed at the front line! It's well- known that Russia is only fighting with some of its forces.

Troops are stationed in Belarus (100,000 IIRC). Along the Russian border NOT with Ukraine. Being trained, which can take 9 - 12 months. Rotated off the front line.

My God, this guy is delusional, and anyone who believes him is equally delusional.

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Saturday, December 16, 2023 1:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, we're not slaves to NATO. You know how so many nations are TECHNICALLY part of NATO but don't really put much $ into it?

SIX: Yeah. But none of them are being forced into membership like we're going to force ourselves.
Let me put it another way...
Do you think that Auto Insurance companies started charging their customers more or less money after it became law that you had to have auto insurance if you were going to drive a car?

SIGNY: Trump could be such an unpleasant NATO partner, refusing to pay into it, refusing to station troops , twisting arms so other nations pay their "fair share" they're BEGGING him to leave.


SIX: Yeah. He could...
Or they could make a claim that he's Quiet Quitting NATO, or even get more hyperbolic and call it Suicide By Cop.

No good comes from legally binding us to a hierarchy in which WE are not the ones in control.
Look how many of our elected officials just voted us into this from both sides of the Uniparty. This is no different than the elected officials in European countries did when they voted to cede power to the EU, and look how that turned out.



I agree about being bound into a non- sovereign power structure. That's why I was dead set against NAFTA, and (later) TTP and TTIP.

But SIX, NATO has already been ratified.



Why does that matter?

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How Trump, or any President, chooses to participate is a matter for the President, NOT Congress or "The Interagency".


Apparently not, if the Uniparty can make it US law that they can't leave NATO.

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If Trump or any other President chooses "quiet - quitting" it's his or her prerogative. I realize there would be a lot of pushback from The Interagency, Congress, the MIC ... a lot of powerful forces. But with the right aides and allies and a big broom to sweep out enemies, it can be done.


I hate to sound like the nihilist in the room, but have you been paying attention to what side of the issue the Media is on and how much sway they have over all the stupid people?

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Also, what Congress does, a new Congress can undo.


Haha! Yeah. That will be the day.

Remember when toll roads were only going to be tolled for a few years until they were freeways? I'm still waiting for the airports to be TSA free and for them to stop sticking fingers up people's butts 22 years later.

Patriot Act, indeed.




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Saturday, December 16, 2023 2:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, we're not slaves to NATO. You know how so many nations are TECHNICALLY part of NATO but don't really put much $ into it?

SIX: Yeah. But none of them are being forced into membership like we're going to force ourselves.
Let me put it another way...
Do you think that Auto Insurance companies started charging their customers more or less money after it became law that you had to have auto insurance if you were going to drive a car?

SIGNY: Trump could be such an unpleasant NATO partner, refusing to pay into it, refusing to station troops , twisting arms so other nations pay their "fair share" they're BEGGING him to leave.


SIX: Yeah. He could...
Or they could make a claim that he's Quiet Quitting NATO, or even get more hyperbolic and call it Suicide By Cop.

No good comes from legally binding us to a hierarchy in which WE are not the ones in control.
Look how many of our elected officials just voted us into this from both sides of the Uniparty. This is no different than the elected officials in European countries did when they voted to cede power to the EU, and look how that turned out.



I agree about being bound into a non- sovereign power structure. That's why I was dead set against NAFTA, and (later) TTP and TTIP.

But SIX, NATO has already been ratified.



Why does that matter?

Quote:

How Trump, or any President, chooses to participate is a matter for the President, NOT Congress or "The Interagency".


Apparently not, if the Uniparty can make it US law that they can't leave NATO.

Quote:

If Trump or any other President chooses "quiet - quitting" it's his or her prerogative. I realize there would be a lot of pushback from The Interagency, Congress, the MIC ... a lot of powerful forces. But with the right aides and allies and a big broom to sweep out enemies, it can be done.


I hate to sound like the nihilist in the room, but have you been paying attention to what side of the issue the Media is on and how much sway they have over all the stupid people?

Quote:

Also, what Congress does, a new Congress can undo.


Haha! Yeah. That will be the day.

Remember when toll roads were only going to be tolled for a few years until they were freeways? I'm still waiting for the airports to be TSA free and for them to stop sticking fingers up people's butts 22 years later.

Patriot Act, indeed.




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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

. Laws can be found unconstitutional, SIX.

Foreign policy rests with the President. Congress comes in to declare war and ratify treaties. It also has "the power of the purse", but that's it.

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Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Saturday, December 16, 2023 3:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, we're not slaves to NATO. You know how so many nations are TECHNICALLY part of NATO but don't really put much $ into it?

SIX: Yeah. But none of them are being forced into membership like we're going to force ourselves.
Let me put it another way...
Do you think that Auto Insurance companies started charging their customers more or less money after it became law that you had to have auto insurance if you were going to drive a car?

SIGNY: Trump could be such an unpleasant NATO partner, refusing to pay into it, refusing to station troops , twisting arms so other nations pay their "fair share" they're BEGGING him to leave.


SIX: Yeah. He could...
Or they could make a claim that he's Quiet Quitting NATO, or even get more hyperbolic and call it Suicide By Cop.

No good comes from legally binding us to a hierarchy in which WE are not the ones in control.
Look how many of our elected officials just voted us into this from both sides of the Uniparty. This is no different than the elected officials in European countries did when they voted to cede power to the EU, and look how that turned out.



I agree about being bound into a non- sovereign power structure. That's why I was dead set against NAFTA, and (later) TTP and TTIP.

But SIX, NATO has already been ratified.



Why does that matter?

Quote:

How Trump, or any President, chooses to participate is a matter for the President, NOT Congress or "The Interagency".


Apparently not, if the Uniparty can make it US law that they can't leave NATO.

Quote:

If Trump or any other President chooses "quiet - quitting" it's his or her prerogative. I realize there would be a lot of pushback from The Interagency, Congress, the MIC ... a lot of powerful forces. But with the right aides and allies and a big broom to sweep out enemies, it can be done.


I hate to sound like the nihilist in the room, but have you been paying attention to what side of the issue the Media is on and how much sway they have over all the stupid people?

Quote:

Also, what Congress does, a new Congress can undo.


Haha! Yeah. That will be the day.

Remember when toll roads were only going to be tolled for a few years until they were freeways? I'm still waiting for the airports to be TSA free and for them to stop sticking fingers up people's butts 22 years later.

Patriot Act, indeed.




--------------------------------------------------

Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

. Laws can be found unconstitutonal, SIX.


God willing.

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Foreign policy rests with the President.


So the government would want us to believe.

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Congress comes in to declare war and ratify treaties.


How many of our wars has Congress approved in your lifetime? They haven't had a good track record in mine. In fact, you could say they don't have any track record at all.

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It also has "the power of the purse".


The non-Government and non-Government regulated FED has been handling all of that that my entire lifetime too.

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Saturday, December 16, 2023 4:26 AM

SIX, if "The Interagency" has such a tight grip on foreign policy, money supply and all that, what Congress does or doesn't do hardly makes a difference. At this point Congress is mostly a bunch of feckless twats stroking each other and grandstanding for the electorate.

But aside from that, AFA Ukraine is concerned, Russia is in the driver's seat. It's not up to the President, Congress, or "The Interagency" what happens next, unless Biden dementedly starts a nuclear war. As long as it remains conventional, the various American and European factions will continue to squabble with each other and amongst themselves until Ukraine surrenders. After that, Russia will start addressing NATO directly.

It's not in Congress's hands, even if they like to think so.
Chill.



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Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Saturday, December 16, 2023 5:23 AM

Decades before he even ran for office, Trump questioned the purpose and efficiency of NATO, writing in his 2000 book, The America We Deserve, that European "conflicts are not worth American lives. Pulling back from Europe would save this country millions of dollars annually." He called the alliance "obsolete" and "unfair economically" to the U.S. during his 2016 presidential campaign.

His open hostility to the alliance reemerged last year after he called NATO a "paper tiger" amid Russia's war on Ukraine.

He has privately discussed pulling the U.S. out unless his demands are met and signaled his refusal to appoint "NATO lovers" to senior Cabinet positions, Rolling Stone reported in October. A single line on his campaign website states, "We have to finish the process we began under my administration of fundamentally re-evaluating NATO's purpose and NATO's mission."

Formed after World War II as a response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union, the military alliance promises that an armed attack on any member of the 31 member states "shall be considered an attack against them all."

https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-take-away-trumps-ammunition-18528
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Saturday, December 16, 2023 6:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, if "The Interagency" has such a tight grip on foreign policy, money supply and all that, what Congress does or doesn't do hardly makes a difference. At this point Congress is mostly a bunch of feckless twats stroking each other and grandstanding for the electorate.

But aside from that, AFA Ukraine is concerned, Russia is in the driver's seat. It's not up to the President, Congress, or "The Interagency" what happens next, unless Biden dementedly starts a nuclear war. As long as it remains conventional, the various American and European factions will continue to squabble with each other and amongst themselves until Ukraine surrenders. After that, Russia will start addressing NATO directly.

It's not in Congress's hands, even if they like to think so.
Chill.



I just don't seeing our TDS suffering elected officials getting us one step closer to joining some sort of EU.

The countries with the most are the ones giving up their quality of life for everyone else.

It's bad enough that we're giving the whole damn country away to illegal foreign invaders as it is.

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Saturday, December 16, 2023 10:20 AM

Usually you make more sense, so please explain...

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, if "The Interagency" has such a tight grip on foreign policy, money supply and all that, what Congress does or doesn't do hardly makes a difference. At this point Congress is mostly a bunch of feckless twats stroking each other and grandstanding for the electorate.

But aside from that, AFA Ukraine is concerned, Russia is in the driver's seat. It's not up to the President, Congress, or "The Interagency" what happens next, unless Biden dementedly starts a nuclear war. As long as it remains conventional, the various American and European factions will continue to squabble with each other and amongst themselves until Ukraine surrenders. After that, Russia will start addressing NATO directly.

It's not in Congress's hands, even if they like to think so.
Chill.


SIX: I just don't seeing our TDS suffering elected officials getting us one step closer to joining some sort of EU.

Is that even an issue? And ... that's a good thing, right? I don't understand your point.

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SIX: The countries with the most are the ones giving up their quality of life for everyone else.

It's bad enough that we're giving the whole damn country away to illegal foreign invaders as it is.



The countries that are suffering the most are in the EU, and AFAIK Germany and Britain are suffering the most.
So IDK what this point is either.

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Saturday, December 16, 2023 6:11 PM

Signym, your prediction for a Russian victory in 2024 has been superseded by a new plan. Inevitable Victory will be delayed slightly until 2026:

German outlet BILD stated on December 14 that unspecified intelligence findings and sources indicate that Russia plans to occupy Ukrainian territory beyond the four (illegally) annexed Ukrainian oblasts throughout 2024-2026. BILD stated that Russia plans to capture the entirety of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts and up to the Oskil River in Kharkiv Oblast by the end of 2024.[1] These reported goals are in line with ongoing localized Russian offensive operations in Donetsk, Luhansk, and Kharkiv oblasts. Russia also reportedly plans to take large parts of Zaporizhia, Dnipropetrovsk, and Kharkiv oblasts, including Kharkiv City if possible, in 2025 and 2026. BILD reported that an insider source stated that Russia plans to occupy large parts of eastern Ukraine located east of the Dnipro River within the next 36 months. Russia is reportedly planning to hold the current front line in Kherson Oblast along the Dnipro River and is only concerned about preventing Ukrainian forces in southern Ukraine from advancing towards occupied Crimea. BILD stated that Russia’s plans are based on mobilizing Russia’s defense industrial base (DIB), suffering annual casualties of around 100,000 military personnel in attritional offensive operations, and benefiting from the possible election of a US president in 2024 who dramatically reduces or stops military support to Ukraine. BILD reported that a source familiar with the intelligence findings stated that the Kremlin plans to rely on “sham negotiations” while continuing to conduct offensive operations similar to the way in which Russia negotiated the Second Minsk agreement in 2015 while the Russian military continued to occupy additional Ukrainian settlements. BILD previously published largely accurate intelligence findings about Russia’s plans for its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in December 2021 which assessed that Russia would attack Ukraine from the south from Crimea, from Russian-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine, and from the north in late January or early February 2022, although the Russian invasion as executed did not perfectly align with BILD’s reporting.[2]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-december-15-2023


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