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You'd better hope that the Democrats go full 3rd-world dictatorship and lock up their opposition for life.
It's the only way that Trump isn't elected President less than a year from now.
Tick Tock.
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Quote:Did you hear the rumor that LBJ used the CIA to kill JFK? That way "Trump isn't elected President less than a year from now." Just quoting you. Why would the CIA go with such a plan? This reason:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You'd better hope that the Democrats go full 3rd-world dictatorship and lock up their opposition for life.
It's the only way that Trump isn't elected President less than a year from now.
Trump Will Abandon NATO
By Anne Applebaum | December 4, 2023
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/01/trump-2024-reelec
tion-pull-out-of-nato-membership/676120/
If reelected, he would end our commitment to the European alliance, reshaping the international order and hobbling American influence in the world.
Editor’s Note: This article is part of “If Trump Wins,” a project considering what Donald Trump might do if reelected in 2024.
“I don’t give a shit about NATO.” Thus did former President Donald Trump once express his feelings about America’s oldest and strongest military alliance. Not that this statement, made in the presence of John Bolton, the national security adviser at the time, came as a surprise. Long before he was a political candidate, Trump questioned the value of American alliances. Of Europeans, he once wrote that “their conflicts are not worth American lives. Pulling back from Europe would save this country millions of dollars annually.” NATO, founded in 1949 and supported for three-quarters of a century by Democrats, Republicans, and independents alike, has long been a particular focus of Trump’s ire. As president, Trump threatened to withdraw from NATO many times — including, infamously, at the 2018 NATO summit.
But during Trump’s time in office, the withdrawal never happened. That was because someone was always there to talk him out of it. Bolton says he did; Jim Mattis, John Kelly, Rex Tillerson, Mike Pompeo, and even Mike Pence are thought to have done so too.
But they didn’t change his mind. And if Trump is reelected in 2024, none of those people will be in the White House. All of them have broken with the former president, in some cases dramatically, and there isn’t another pool of Republican analysts who understand Russia and Europe, because most of them either signed statements opposing him in 2016 or criticized him after 2020. In a second term, Trump would be surrounded by people who either share his dislike of American security alliances or don’t know anything about them and don’t care. This time, the ill will that Trump has always felt toward American allies would likely manifest itself in a clear policy change. “The damage he did in his first term was reparable,” Bolton told me. “The damage in the second term would be irreparable.”
Institutionally, and maybe even politically, leaving NATO could be difficult for Trump. As soon as he announced his intentions, a constitutional crisis would ensue. Senate approval is required for U.S. treaties — but the Constitution says nothing about congressional approval for withdrawal from treaties. Recognizing this gap in the law, Democratic Senator Tim Kaine and Republican Senator Marco Rubio introduced legislation, which has already passed the Senate, designed to block any U.S. president from withdrawing from NATO without two-thirds Senate approval or an act of Congress. Kaine told me he feels “confident that the courts would uphold us on that and would not allow a president to unilaterally withdraw,” but there would certainly be a struggle. A public-relations crisis would unfold too. A wide range of people — former supreme allied commanders, former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, former presidents, foreign heads of state — will surely rally to make the case for NATO, and very loudly.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Trump’s second term agenda: revenge
By David Frum | December 5, 2023
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/01/donald-trump-reel
ection-second-term-agenda/676119/
If Trump is elected, it very likely won’t be with a majority of the popular vote. Imagine the scenario: Trump has won the Electoral College with 46 percent of the vote because third-party candidates funded by Republican donors successfully splintered the anti-Trump coalition. Having failed to win the popular vote in each of the past three elections, Trump has become president for the second time. On that thin basis, his supporters would try to execute his schemes of personal impunity and political vengeance.
In this scenario, Trump opponents would have to face a harsh reality: The U.S. electoral system has privileged a strategically located minority, led by a lawbreaking president, over the democratic majority. One side outvoted the other. The outvoted nonetheless won the power to govern.
The outvoted would happily justify the twist of events in their favor. “We are a republic, not a democracy,” many said in 2016. Since that time, the outvoted have become more outspoken against democracy. As Senator Mike Lee tweeted a month before the 2020 election: “Democracy isn’t the objective.”
So long as minority rule seems an occasional or accidental result, the majority might go along. But once aware that the minority intends to engineer its power to last forever—and to use it to subvert the larger legal and constitutional system—the majority may cease to be so accepting. One outcome of a second Trump term may be an American version of the massive demonstrations that filled Tel Aviv streets in 2023, when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tried to remake Israel’s court system.
And what might follow that? In 2020, Trump’s advisers speculated about the possibility of using the Army to crush protests against Trump’s plans to overturn that year’s election. Now those in Trump’s circle are apparently thinking further ahead. Some reportedly want to prepare in advance to use the Insurrection Act to convert the military into a tool of Trump’s authoritarian project. It’s an astonishing possibility. But Trump is thinking about it, so everybody else must—including the senior command of the U.S. military.
If a president can summon an investigation of his opponents, or summon the military to put down protests, then suddenly our society would no longer be free. There would be no more law, only legalized persecution of political opponents. It has always been Trump’s supreme political wish to wield both the law and institutional violence as personal weapons of power—a wish that many in his party now seem determined to help him achieve.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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I hope Trump does everything to Dems that they did to him.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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Trump Campaign Strikes Back At 'Dictator' Hit-Piece In WaPo, Gaetz Says 'Green-Lighting Assassination'
Tuesday, Dec 05, 2023 - 08:05 AM
Over the last week, several outlets published articles warning that a second Trump term would turn America into a dictatorship.
The Washington Post most notably ran a piece written by Robert Kagan, husband of Former State Department official Victoria Nuland (who was deeply involved in peddling the Steele dossier) titled "A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending."
Many suggested this was a clear call to assassinate the former US President.
Let’s stop the wishful thinking and face the stark reality: There is a clear path to dictatorship in the United States, and it is getting shorter every day. In 13 weeks, Donald Trump will have locked up the Republican nomination.
[…] Are we going to do anything about it? To shift metaphors, if we thought there was a 50 percent chance of an asteroid crashing into North America a year from now, would we be content to hope that it wouldn’t? Or would we be taking every conceivable measure to try to stop it, including many things that might not work but that, given the magnitude of the crisis, must be tried anyway?
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) said in response on X, "They're obviously green-lighting assassination."
In addition to the post, The Atlantic and the NY Times have also published stories warning of a "Trump dictatorship" in recent days, with the Times suggesting that a second Trump term would likely be more radical than his first, The Hill reports.
"All of these articles calling Trump a dictator are about one thing: legitimizing illegal and violent conduct as we get closer to the election," wrote Sen. JD Vance (R-OH) on X. "Everyone needs to take a chill pill."
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-campaign-hits-back-against-d
ictator-hit-piece-wapo-gaetz-says-green-lighting
OH NOS! TRUMP MIGHT BE ELECTED PRESIDENT! WE NEED TO BECOME A DICTATORSHIP TO PREVENT THAT!
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
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Republicans still think Democrats stole the 2020 election
https://jabberwocking.com/republicans-still-think-democrats-stole-the-
2020-election/
This is not news, but here's a recent poll finding about the 2020 election. It's for Republicans only:
Among Republican voters who support Trump in the primaries, 86% think he was the rightful winner of the 2020 election and 61% think there was outright fraud from Democrats.
Those are basically Trump cultists. But even among the non-Trump voters, 41% think Trump rightfully won the election. That's a majority of those who expressed an opinion.
For what it's worth, this is one of the answers to the question of why even moderate Republicans still plan to vote for Trump rather than Biden. In their view, it's Democrats who are a threat to democracy, and all Trump is doing is fighting back.
It looks like Republicans have pretty much given up on Ukraine, but not Israel:
Republicans only like wars that Republicans start. They get tired of wars supported by Democratic presidents pretty quickly, even if, as in this case, it means giving Vladimir Putin whatever he wants.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Republicans still think Democrats stole the 2020 election
They did. Through en-mass mail-in ballots per Covid rules in swing states that had as little as 10,000 votes decide the race, and allowing unsupervised ballot harvesting in drop boxes. How many ballots for Trump were thrown in the trash or burned in a firepit by the people collecting mail-in ballots door to door?
And let's not pretend like Democrats don't cry foul every time they lose an election dude. There are plenty of videos out there of prominent Democrats at a podium or in live interviews claiming elections were stolen every time they lost, going all the way back to Bush/Gore.
So I guess the real question here is, what's your fucking point?
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Quote:Trump said the other day: “I think if you had a real election and Jesus came down and God came down and said, 'I'm gonna be the scorekeeper here,' I think we'd win [in California], I think we'd win in Illinois, and I think we'd win in New York.” https://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-jesus-came-down-002004647.html
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Republicans still think Democrats stole the 2020 election
They did. Through en-mass mail-in ballots per Covid rules in swing states that had as little as 10,000 votes decide the race, and allowing unsupervised ballot harvesting in drop boxes. How many ballots for Trump were thrown in the trash or burned in a firepit by the people collecting mail-in ballots door to door?
And let's not pretend like Democrats don't cry foul every time they lose an election dude. There are plenty of videos out there of prominent Democrats at a podium or in live interviews claiming elections were stolen every time they lost, going all the way back to Bush/Gore.
So I guess the real question here is, what's your fucking point?
That is pretty much the whole story from all Republicans. They lose when Democrats cheat because "God" (by which they mean themselves) wants Trump. You might disbelieve it but a Democracy can't function when that attitude is widespread.
Google 'where did Trump say god would elect him' and you will see this is not a recent change. Republicans have been doing that often and doing that will break the country.
Obviously to me, the Republicans think the country needs breaking. Also obvious, the Republicans are broken and malfunctioning people. They don't see themselves as malfunctioning, but they are very much broken inside their minds, which shows up outside, in their everyday life. 6ix, smoke some cigarettes today and lay around doing nothing to prove you are a superior performing person who deserves better in life. Maybe post something about Hollywood's failures at selling tickets. That is a good use for a short life. (No, it is NOT)
https://www.google.com/search?q=where+did+Trump+say+god+would+elect+hi
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I hope Trump does everything to Dems that they did to him.
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The feds are going to use Trump's tweets dating back to 2012 that baselessly claimed election fraud against him
Trump is no longer on Twitter, but his old tweets keep coming back to haunt him.
Jack Smith plans to use Trump's tweets, from as far back as 2012, in his 2020 election trial.
The tweets show Trump's "plan of falsely blaming fraud for election results," a court filing alleges.
Former President Donald Trump may no longer be on Twitter (now known as X). But that doesn't mean his old tweets can't come back to haunt him.
The special counsel Jack Smith plans to use Trump's tweets, some of which date as far back as 2012, to convince a jury of the former president's peers that he engaged in a conspiracy to defraud the US and illegally overturn the 2020 election results, according to a new court filing from Smith's office.
The filing alleges that Trump's public statements "sowed mistrust in the results of the presidential election and laid the foundation for the defendant's criminal efforts."
Trump has a "historical record of making such claims," the filing alleges. It points to a November 2012 tweet from Trump which baselessly claimed that voting machines "had switched votes from then-candidate [Mitt] Romney to then-candidate [Barack] Obama."
When Trump launched his own campaign in the 2016 election, he repeatedly claimed that there would be widespread voter fraud.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-feds-are-going-to-use-trum
p-s-tweets-dating-back-to-2012-that-baselessly-claimed-election-fraud-against-him/ar-AA1l3107?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=891ec2b886e14a20954d673e22efb053&ei=44
You mean what Trump has done to himself don't you comrade? At least comrade kiki is dead so we don't have to suffer her bullshit as well. I hear COVID got her.
Too funny
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Donald Trump, the former president of the United States who tried to steal the 2020 election, says he’ll be a dictator on day one of a second term.
That’s not the rhetorical excess of the mainstream press, nor is it the cynical spin of a political rival. It’s just what Trump said.
During a town hall in Iowa last night, Fox News’s Sean Hannity tossed Trump what ought to have been softball question. “Under no circumstances, you are promising America tonight, you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody?” Hannity asked. “Except for day one,” Trump replied.
This is a remarkable enough admission—practically every president abuses his power in some way, but few boast about it. What followed was even wilder.
“He says, ‘You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’” Trump riffed. “I said: ‘No, no, no, other than day one. We’re closing the border and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.’”
It’s not unusual for political candidates to accuse their opponents of being would-be fascists or authoritarians. Rivals of Franklin Roosevelt, Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, and Barack Obama, among many others, warned about these men’s supposed dictatorial ambitions. (Of course, none of those presidents mounted a months-long effort to steal an election, capped by inciting a violent assault on the Capitol.)
What is unusual, and in fact crazy, is for the rival to respond: Yeah, you bet I will.
Predicting the apologetics that anti-anti-Trumpers will employ here isn’t too hard. They’ll insist that this is just rhetorical flourish. They’ll say it’s fine, because he’s promising to limit his self-acknowledged abuse of powers to the noble causes of energy independence and border security. They’ve been using these excuses for years now.
But the people to heed here are Trump and his close allies, who are deliberately employing inflammatory rhetoric. In the same interview, Hannity gave the former president another chance to make a simple, bland statement of respect for laws, and Trump refused. (This is not the first time Hannity has tried to toss Trump a life buoy, only for Trump to fling it away with glee.)
“Do you in any way have any plans whatsoever, if reelected president, to abuse power? To break the law? To use the government to go after people?” Hannity asked. Trump’s response: “You mean like they’re using right now?”
The turnabout onto President Biden is dubious but typical. What’s missing is the easy addendum: And of course I reject these excesses and will get the country back on track. The problem is that everyone knows the former president would abuse his power, even the anti-anti-Trump apologists. And for his diehard supporters, that’s the real sell this time around. He is promising them that he’ll throw out the rulebook and exact revenge on his opponents.
“This is just not rhetoric. We’re absolutely dead serious,” Steve Bannon said yesterday on his podcast. Take that for what you will; the former Trump strategist has a history of trolling. But even if it is just rhetoric, that’s little comfort, given how many Americans are fine with it. Bannon was speaking with the former Trump-administration utility player Kash Patel, who promised to go after the free press.
“Yes, we’re going to come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens, who helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections—we’re going to come after you, whether it’s criminally or civilly, we’ll come after you,” he said. Patel, who’s more intellectually agile than Trump, then walked it back a bit: “We’re actually going to use the Constitution to prosecute them for crimes they said we have always been guilty of but never have.”
Who can be against people being prosecuted if they’ve truly committed crimes? But lying, though deplorable, is not a crime; no one rigged the election; and Patel’s posture is that he’ll find crimes to fit the defendants, not the other way around. The substance aside, Patel is following Trump’s lead: When accused of seeking to abuse power, he is happy to agree.
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