The Marvels Failure Thread
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 00:56
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Originally posted by whozit:
Go watch Grace Randolph's review on YOUTUBE or the one on DEADLINE.com,
I would never subject myself to that!
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you can tell they gave it great reviews because they're 'access' media. They're both such suck asses for the studios, I bet Randolph's 2nd home back in the day was the casting couch.
Yeah, Grace is a regular Pick #MeToo girl.
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Bruce's weekend predictions at the-numbers.com.
Weekend prediction: The Marvels will struggle to get to $50 million
https://www.the-numbers.com/news/255560830-Weekend-prediction-The-Marv
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Things don’t look good for The Marvels going into this weekend. After lukewarm (and sometimes hostile) buzz leading up to the release of the film, ticket pre-sales have been disappointing, and its Thursday preview numbers were a downright awful $6.6 million. That’s the worst preview number for a Marvel Cinematic Universe movie since Ant-Man back in 2015. That film went on to earn $57.2 million over its opening weekend. With sequels tending to be more front-loaded, it looks like The Marvels will struggle to reach $50 million this weekend.
That’s a far cry from what Disney would have been hoping for. The first Captain Marvel started out with $153.4 million on its opening weekend, and even with a theatrical market that’s much weaker than 2019, the studio will have been hoping for something around $100 million domestically this weekend. Our advance tracking suggested that would be hard, but still doable.
That's the thing Bruce, 'ole boy. You guys and gals are only able to lie up until the actual numbers come out.
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The warning signs were already flashing before we saw the preview numbers, with our audience tracking having the film generating about 85% of the interest that the model would expect. Note also the unusually high negative sentiment in our Sentiment Analysis. While this largely came from online trolls who weren’t going to see the film in the first place, Disney has clearly struggled to build positivity around the film.
The preview numbers are basically the final nail in the coffin of a big opening weekend.
Oooooh... "online trolls who weren't going to see the film in the first place", huh Bruce?
Spicy.
Careful there, buddy. Your fly is open and your woke widdle dicky is hanging out for the world to see.
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We’ve changed our model this week to hopefully increase the accuracy of our final prediction based on the reported previews for a film and our fundamentals prediction. Our old model would have predicted $52.1 million this weekend for The Marvels. We’ll see on Sunday if our new model’s $45.2-million prediction is closer to the mark. In either case, this looks like a poor weekend, and might go some way to explaining why Disney just moved several MCU films back from 2024 to 2025.
Bruce's final prediction for the Holiday Weekend: $45,172,440.
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As of 11/11 'The Marvels' has a 62% critics rating and a 85% audience rating, and it's still going to lose $. Brie was suppose to become the new face of the MCU, but the MCU is out of ideas, they've been out of ideas for a while now. The MCU needs Joss Whedon back, he's been punished enough, give him a call Bob.
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Originally posted by whozit:
As of 11/11 'The Marvels' has a 62% critics rating and a 85% audience rating, and it's still going to lose $. Brie was suppose to become the new face of the MCU, but the MCU is out of ideas, they've been out of ideas for a while now. The MCU needs Joss Whedon back, he's been punished enough, give him a call Bob.
They need good villains again too. That's something that DC has struggled with outside of Batman and Superman from the beginning.
It's also something that Marvel has largely struggled with outside of X-Men and Spiderman with the exception of Thanos, but they burned the whole Infinity War saga and killed off Thanos. Where do you go from there? Why should anybody even know who Kang is let alone think he's half as compelling as a character once you strip away the fact you've got a black guy playing him?
So you're going to try rebooting the Fantastic Four AGAIN? Good luck. Maybe if you get Dr. Doom right. Nobody has ever managed to get that series off the ground, even when you had peak Jessica Alba at your disposal.
Except for Guardians of the Galaxy 1, Deadpool 1, and Spider-Man: No Way Home I can't even recall an MCU movie out of the handful that I watched that weren't a waste of time. And to give credit where it's due on the first two, I don't even remember the villains they had. Those were both enjoyable because of great writing and acting. No Way Home was the single movie that capitalized on the nostalgiabait gimmic of the Multiverse before it wore out its welcome and is probably my favorite superhero flick of all time or tied with Batman (1989).
The only Marvel property since MCU's launch that I genuinely enjoyed was the first season of Jessica Jones, and I didn't even know who Jessica Jones was before I saw it. Kristen Ritter is a great actress and Jessica was a good character, but Killgrave was one of the best villains I've ever seen in a comic book property on screen. But they killed him off. And I watched the 2nd season and was bored.
I liked parts of Daredevil, especially the great choreographed fights, but as much as I've liked Vincent Denofrio, I didn't care for that rendition of Kingpin and I didn't care much for that show either.
Second just called me "fundamentally evil" in the Barbie/Oppenheimer thread this morning. Maybe somebody should call up Kevin Feige and see if there's a slot for notoriously evil 6ixStringJack in the Marvel Universe.
I'll even put on a MAGA hat for the first time if the pay is good enough.
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Originally posted by whozit:
As of 11/11 'The Marvels' has a 62% critics rating and a 85% audience rating, and it's still going to lose $. Brie was suppose to become the new face of the MCU, but the MCU is out of ideas, they've been out of ideas for a while now. The MCU needs Joss Whedon back, he's been punished enough, give him a call Bob.
They need good villains again too. That's something that DC has struggled with outside of Batman and Superman from the beginning.
It's also something that Marvel has largely struggled with outside of X-Men and Spiderman with the exception of Thanos, but they burned the whole Infinity War saga and killed off Thanos. Where do you go from there? Why should anybody even know who Kang is let alone think he's half as compelling as a character once you strip away the fact you've got a black guy playing him?
So you're going to try rebooting the Fantastic Four AGAIN? Good luck. Maybe if you get Dr. Doom right. Nobody has ever managed to get that series off the ground, even when you had peak Jessica Alba at your disposal.
Except for Guardians of the Galaxy 1, Deadpool 1, and Spider-Man: No Way Home I can't even recall an MCU movie out of the handful that I watched that weren't a waste of time. And to give credit where it's due on the first two, I don't even remember the villains they had. Those were both enjoyable because of great writing and acting. No Way Home was the single movie that capitalized on the nostalgiabait gimmic of the Multiverse before it wore out its welcome and is probably my favorite superhero flick of all time or tied with Batman (1989).
The only Marvel property since MCU's launch that I genuinely enjoyed was the first season of Jessica Jones, and I didn't even know who Jessica Jones was before I saw it. Kristen Ritter is a great actress and Jessica was a good character, but Killgrave was one of the best villains I've ever seen in a comic book property on screen. But they killed him off. And I watched the 2nd season and was bored.
I liked parts of Daredevil, especially the great choreographed fights, but as much as I've liked Vincent Denofrio, I didn't care for that rendition of Kingpin and I didn't care much for that show either.
Second just called me "fundamentally evil" in the Barbie/Oppenheimer thread this morning. Maybe somebody should call up Kevin Feige and see if there's a slot for notoriously evil 6ixStringJack in the Marvel Universe.
I'll even put on a MAGA hat for the first time if the pay is good enough.
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'Maybe somebody should call up Kevin Feige'...and tell him to stop telling the same story over and over. I think the MCU, the DCU, Lucasfilm and the film industry in general has learned that you don't ignore AND, mock the fanbase. Without the fanbase their woke films won't make close to a Billion $, let alone make a profit, like 'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Douchebag', it'll embarrass the studio and everybody involved, then slowly be forgotten. When Disney bought 'Star Wars' everyone thought that it was the best thing ever because Disney had mega bucks to throw at these films and TV shows, now the Disney Dollars are gone. Disney flicks are money losers, theme park traffic is way down, Disney is going to sell ABC and ESPN...get woke, go fuck yourself.
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Originally posted by whozit:
'Maybe somebody should call up Kevin Feige'...and tell him to stop telling the same story over and over. I think the MCU, the DCU, Lucasfilm and the film industry in general has learned that you don't ignore AND, mock the fanbase. Without the fanbase their woke films won't make close to a Billion $, let alone make a profit, like 'Indiana Jones and the Dial of Douchebag', it'll embarrass the studio and everybody involved, then slowly be forgotten. When Disney bought 'Star Wars' everyone thought that it was the best thing ever because Disney had mega bucks to throw at these films and TV shows, now the Disney Dollars are gone. Disney flicks are money losers, theme park traffic is way down, Disney is going to sell ABC and ESPN...get woke, go fuck yourself.
You'll get no arguments from me.
That's what all the failure threads and the Hollywood thread were about this year.
And it would appear that class is still in session.
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$14.9 Million on Friday after you subtract the $6.6 Million from Thursday Previews.
Respectable, actually, given how bad things are looking for this movie. I never put a number on it, but I was thinking somewhere in the realm of $12 to $12.5 Million.
Now let's compare that to the MCU flicks that came out since the back half of 2021...
All numbers below are from The-Numbers.com and have had the Thursday Preview subtracted from them already.
Black Widow (07/09/2021): $26,310,446
Shang Chi (08/03/2021): $20,702,259
Eternals (11/05/2021): $21,344,219
Spider-Man: No Way Home (12/17/2021): $71,964,712
Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness (05/06/2022): $54,720,784
Thor: Love and Thunder (07/08/2022): $40,554,073
Wakanda Forever (11/11/2022): $56,285,721
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (02/17/2023): $28,931,851
Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3 (05/05/2023): $30,603,839
The Marvels just made $11.4 Million less than Black Widow, $5.8 Million less than Shang Chi, $6.4 Million less than Eternals and $14 Million less than Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania did on Opening Night.
How did those 4 movies end up doing?
Black Widow made $379,751,131 Worldwide on a $200 Million Production Budget or 189.88% of its budget. A failure under both 2.0x and 2.5x RoT.
Shang Chi made $432,224,634 Worldwide on a $150 Million Production Budget or 288.15% of its budget. This is the single movie out of the 4 that made a profit using the 2.5x RoT, and this is due to the fact it had a budget $50 Million less than the other three.
Eternals made $401,731,759 Worldwide on a $200 Million Production Budget or 200.87% of its budget. Barely eeking out a 2.0x RoT, and losing $99 Million with 2.5x RoT.
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania made $463,635,303 on a $200 Million Production Budget or 231.82% of its budget. Safely making a 2.0xRoT, but losing nearly $40 Million with 2.5x RoT (and called a money-losing failure even by Variety and Deadline, which further substantiated that we're now in 2.5x RoT instead of the old 2.0x RoT model.)
The Marvel's budget was at least $274 Million, that we know of. Unless we find out how much the reshoots and delays cost the production, at 2.5x RoT it will need to make $685 MILLION to break even.
That would be $228 Million more than Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania made, and on just opening night The Marvels is already $14 Million behind Quantumania. $31,531,851 behind actually, if we add the Thursday night previews back to both movies.
This probably won't end up reaching Indiana Jones 5 levels of losses for Disney, but by far it will be the biggest financial hit Disney has yet seen for a Marvel Studios release without any competition.
We're talking hundreds of millions of dollars here. Likely over a $300 Million loss.
Normally, this is where I'd mention that usually projections, especially on opening weekend, are lower than reality because the studio doesn't want to embarrass themselves, but I'm not sure about what Disney's psychology on this one is going to be right now.
Risk lowballing the numbers on opening night as per usual and make all the Saturday headlines even worse than they were going to be, or risk highballing the Friday prediction and possibly project low for Sunday to still come in lower than the actual numbers that are posted on Monday?
My money is that Disney's projected numbers for Friday are actually higher than reality just because the headlines that are going to come out today are embarrassing enough already. They might throw out convention entirely here and highball the whole damn weekend just to try to salvage some of the headlines with their shill outfits like Variety and Deadline and hope that not too many people are listening to the people like me who would catch them in the act come Monday if they try that.
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The Marvels' Opening Weekend Box Office Is Set To Make MCU History In The Worst Way
https://www.looper.com/1444551/the-marvels-record-low-opening-weekend-
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Just four years later, "The Marvels" is on track to have the lowest debut for an MCU film. No, not the lowest-grossing debut post-pandemic – just the lowest, ever. Deadline has the Nia DaCosta-directed picture coming in anywhere between $47 to $52 million this weekend. The flick had a Friday haul of $21.5 million. While Disney hasn't released official numbers, there's likely no scenario where the film sees a generous, headline-changing spike this weekend. With an opening weekend take just south of $52 million, "The Marvels" is making MCU history.
For context, the Edward Norton-starring film "The Incredible Hulk," arguably the closest thing Kevin Feige's cinematic toybox has to a black sheep, debuted at $55 million back in 2008.
Yup. Now that the actual numbers are coming out and nobody can lie for the movie anymore, The Marvels is going to be the lowest debut for any MCU film WITHOUT EVEN TAKING INFLATION INTO ACCOUNT, so they can't leave that little bit of information out of their articles and lie to idiots who don't understand how money works.
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It's all but certain that "The Marvels" will emerge as one of the lowest-grossing entries in the entire MCU, potentially achieving a worldwide haul that fails to overtake the $426 million domestic cume of the first "Captain Marvel."
Potentially nothing. This piece of shit isn't coming close to $400 Million Worldwide.
Disney should consider itself lucky if it makes $350 Million, with somewhere under $300 Million a very good possibility if the rest of the world rejects it as hard as Americans just did.
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‘The Marvels’ May Be Disney’s Biggest Box Office Flop Yet
https://www.outkick.com/the-marvels-may-be-disney-biggest-flop-yet/
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‘Marvels’ May Lead To MCU Reboot
The list of Marvel Studios mistakes continues to grow. Ant Man was a bomb, Black Widow and Shang-Chi were unsuccessful and now The Marvels could lose hundreds of millions of dollars.
Swept up in a wave of political activism from vocal employees, Marvel turned its focus away from quality, inoffensive entertainment to injecting progressive messages where they don’t belong. Ant-Man’s daughter became an anti-police social justice activist. TV shows like She-Hulk were an openly political embarrassment, degrading the expectation of quality and objectivity that audiences had come to expect from Marvel.
And the awe inspiring failure of The Marvels is the inevitable result.
And now they're afraid to release black Not-Captain America and GayBlade.
What did I tell them before, Yoda?
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MSNBC: 'The Marvels' is a reminder that Marvel Studios can still make fun movies
While there a few mystifying plot holes, the movie more than makes up for them with an irreverent and joyful story about found family — and great chemistry.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/marvels-review-brie-larson
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Yeah. It's going to "fun" and "breezy" Disney right into bankruptcy.
By Ani Bundel, cultural critic
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Despite whatever negative press you may have seen about the Marvel franchise recently, its latest film, “The Marvels,” is no flop. While there are parts that are too thin and a few mystifying plot holes, the movie more than makes up for them with an irreverent and joyful story about found family that features truly wonderful chemistry between its three leading women.
I don't know what the fuck a "cultural critic" is, but it's certainly not a movie critic.
What? They don't teach you Math in college anymore?
Somebody want to educate this dumb bitch on what constitutes a flop, because she obviously has no clue.
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