NY Magazine: COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/covid-lockdowns-were-a-giant-ex
periment-it-was-a-failure/ar-AA1j5lgV
FUCK YOU. NEW YORK MAGAZINE.
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6 feet part or Two Meter distance, its the science!
British Empire Australia warned Victorians to expect "extreme measures"
https://web.archive.org/web/20200310071250/https://www.9news.com.au/na
tional/coronavirus-australia-latest-updates-italy-travel/5c825ae9-ba0a-4344-b55e-f7b301c22aea
USA Schools Closed
Scotland
https://www.gov.scot/news/pubs-cafes-and-more-told-to-close/
New Zealand
Under Level Dystopia scifi 2.5, all social gatherings including birthday parties will be limited to ten people; masks will be mandatory for all Aucklanders using public transportation; and aged care facilities will be operating under strict conditions. The only public gatherings allowed in Auckland are funerals and tangihanga, was limited to 50 people
https://web.archive.org/web/20200830035948/https://www.newstalkzb.co.n
z/news/national/what-you-will-and-wont-be-able-to-do-in-auckland-when-new-level-2-arrives/
Hindu India promotes cow-piss bovine urine cures but then goes back to beating people with huge sticks
In Latin America, the Peruvian Army with a police dogs enforced curfew
Aussie says it won against the new flu
boasts that it is cured
Shots and Boosters but then Victoria's second wave having the highest fatality rate per case.
Germanic Austria introduced a lockdown for all citizens a few days later, making it the first European country to reintroduce such measures
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59343650
Emmanuel Macron announced a second lockdown to begin on October 30. During this second lockdown, schools remain open and more industries can keep operating (construction, public services...). Like the first lockdown, citizens need to sign their certificates to can go around within 1 km up to hour per day. Fines are 135 euros the 1st time, 200 euros for 2 times within 15 days and 3750 euros and 6 months jail sentence for 3 times within 30 days
https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F35249
Canada trying to be more retarded than anyone in Britain, France, the USA or Europe then calls the Truckers Sexists and Racists
The city of Toronto, Ontario is considered to have the longest continuous COVID-19 lockdown of any major city in the world.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57079577
During Level 5 Ultimate Lockdowns stupid people went out and burnt and murdered and looted and rioted for BLM Antifa 'George Floyd'
Place with No Lockdown maybe Sweden, Brazil, South Korea...maybe USA but it could be argued the USA did have some levels of high restrictions and lockdown, the USA certainly did not have zero lockdowns as some individual States had strong lock-down measures, it becmae a political Left vs Right thing in the USA.
it can also be argued Brazil had a very high death rate and a variant mutation which was very strong and causing the sickly to die
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Place with No Lockdown maybe Sweden, Brazil, South Korea...maybe USA but it could be argued the USA did have some levels of high restrictions and lockdown, the USA certainly did not have zero lockdowns as some individual States had strong lock-down measures, it becmae a political Left vs Right thing in the USA.
Don't start having selective memory and or allowing the media to rewrite history here.
We might not have had patrols up and down the streets shooting people who left their homes on site like they did in China, but we sure as shit locked things down in the US.
Even in red states like Indiana they shut EVERYTHING down, including churches and schools. You couldn't even get a freakin' haircut for 3 months straight here, and it was another 1.5 years before you could get one without wearing a mask and sitting out in your car until they went outside to call you in. People's parents and grandparents died alone in hospitals without getting to see their kids and grandkids one last time.
The Unemployment Rate in Indiana went from 3.5% in March of 2020 to 16.8% in April of 2020.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/INUR
Don't let the media succeed in whitewashing what our Government did to us.
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Sigs posted this in the "As Palestinians pushes for statehood, Israel finds itself more isolated" thread and my reply got me on a track that's much more suited to post in this thread instead...
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I INCLUDED SNIPS FROM THE ORIGINAL ARTICLES AND THEIR LINKS BECAUSE I KNOW THUGR WILL CLAIM THAT IT'S NOT NEWS, ITS PROPAGANDA.
Not that this really needs to be done, because who cares what Ted thinks?
But yeah... I've done that for a very long time now.
You'll notice that a pretty good majority of the links and articles I post are actually from Leftist sources.
It's why a lot of my RWED posts are no longer topical. The Leftist media surprisingly ends up getting a lot of things right... eventually.
They pump all the disinformation in the world while people are fired up about an issue, but once the issue is no longer of any real relevance, at least in the minds of the forgetful masses and/or on a political level, they'll finally put out a little article admitting the truth all along without ever actually apologizing for lying and/or getting it wrong because of their bias.
I'm not a prophet. I'm not right as often as I am because of some voodoo magic.
I detect patterns is all.
Gaslighting is actually very easy to detect if you have a good memory, you expose yourself to it regularly, you have an above-average IQ and you're not a partisan shill.
Consider that article I posted by New York Magazine on the lockdowns just the other day:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65804
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/covid-lockdowns-were-a-giant-ex
periment-it-was-a-failure/ar-AA1j5lgV
The fifth paragraph of that article reads as follows:
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One of the great mysteries of the pandemic is why so many countries followed China’s example. In the U.S. and the U.K. especially, lockdowns went from being regarded as something that only an authoritarian government would attempt to an example of “following the science.” But there was never any science behind lockdowns — not a single study had ever been undertaken to measure their efficacy in stopping a pandemic. When you got right down to it, lockdowns were little more than a giant experiment.
The article then goes on to invoke George W. Bush's name 8 times while blaming his administration for the Covid lockdowns, concluding the blame game with this paragraph:
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The Bush team’s final document, published by the CDC in February 2007, stopped short of mandating lockdowns but came as close as its authors dared, calling for the use of “social distancing measures to reduce contact between adults in the community and workplace.” One of the leaders of the effort, a government scientist named Richard Hatchett, would later tell Lewis what he really believed: “One thing that’s inarguably true is that if you got everyone and locked each of them in their own room and didn’t let them talk to anyone, you would not have any disease.”
Hey... yanno what? You're not going to get any argument out of me that GWB (at the time) was the worst President we ever had and he oversaw the erection of the DHS and the creation of the Patriot Act, after which our country was never the same.
But you motherfuckers were all in on locking everyone down at the time.
Now you're going to come out 3.5 years later and admit it was all a failure, but instead of APOLOGIZING for being one of the bullhorns for government tyranny against the citizens, you're going to just blame the Republican who came and went 12 years before anybody knew that Wuhan was a place in China?
Get fucked, NY Magazine.
With the internet at our disposal, maybe we should look back at your catalog with 20/20 vision and get a proper view on unwrapping exactly how "One of the great mysteries of the pandemic is why so many countries followed China’s example." came to be.
Let's see what you had to say at the time, shall we?
March 26th, 2020
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Basically, going back to January, they’d be like, ‘China’s not going to control it; 80 percent of the population is going to get it; all efforts to contain it are going to fail; we have to learn to live with this virus; contact tracing and testing make no sense; this is going to be everywhere; right now we need to build up hospitals’ — which they didn’t even do. But they really didn’t think it was stoppable,” she says. “And then all of a sudden you started to see, in February, South Korea stopping it, Taiwan stopping it, and China stopping it. Then, in March, New Zealand. And then Australia. And then there’s this realization of, ‘Oh, wow. Actually, it is controllable.’”
I'm not sure what the point of posting this is.
China controlled Covid with draconian localized (or in some cases regional) lockdowns. They basically outwaited the virus until it had mutated to a less-lethal form. Once they opened up they had a spare of elderly deaths, but considering China's 1-billion population, million people is just 0.1%.
S Korea: severe lockdowns. Indoor mask wearing, limits on indoor gatherings to 10 people etc.
Australia: severe lockdowns
New Zealand: severe lockdowns.
And correspondingly low death rates. This seems to be saying that if you're dealing with a highly contagious disease by restricting contacts, you have to be strict about it bc half-assed measures are going to get you half-assed results. For example, halting travel across the border, halting travelers until they passed quarantine, would have prevented the disease from being carried into the USA. Of course, in order to do that we'd need border control.
Another thing that worked well for us was limiting our exposure and consistently using N95s whenever we went out in public... altho I learned very early on that masks were unnecessary outdoors. Up to now, no one in our immediate family ever had Covid that we know of.
Italy was an interesting case bc of large numbers of multi-generation households, so it was impossible to isolate the vulnerable elderly. Sweden OTOH has a high proportion of elderly in their own homes or elder care facilities, which are apparently more hygienic than ours.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Basically, going back to January, they’d be like, ‘China’s not going to control it; 80 percent of the population is going to get it; all efforts to contain it are going to fail; we have to learn to live with this virus; contact tracing and testing make no sense; this is going to be everywhere; right now we need to build up hospitals’ — which they didn’t even do. But they really didn’t think it was stoppable,” she says. “And then all of a sudden you started to see, in February, South Korea stopping it, Taiwan stopping it, and China stopping it. Then, in March, New Zealand. And then Australia. And then there’s this realization of, ‘Oh, wow. Actually, it is controllable.’”
I'm not sure what the point of posting this is.
China controlled Covid with draconian localized (or in some cases regional) lockdowns. They basically outwaited the virus until it had mutated to a less-lethal form.
S Korea: severe lockdowns. Indoor mask wearing, limits on indoor gatherings to 10 people etc.
Australia: severe lockdowns
New Zealand: severe lockdowns.
It appears to me that you do understand the point of posting that.
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And correspondingly low death rates. This seems to be saying that if you're dealing with a highly contagious disease by restricting contacts, you have to be strict about it bc half-assed measures are going to get you half-assed results.
Allegedly.
My whole point, which it would appear that you didn't get, is that New York Magazine is now saying that the lockdowns were a mistake and that they were George W. Bush's fault. All while having the gall to put this in print:
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One of the great mysteries of the pandemic is why so many countries followed China’s example. In the U.S. and the U.K. especially, lockdowns went from being regarded as something that only an authoritarian government would attempt to an example of “following the science.” But there was never any science behind lockdowns — not a single study had ever been undertaken to measure their efficacy in stopping a pandemic. When you got right down to it, lockdowns were little more than a giant experiment.
And then I posted a dozen of their articles out of the dozens that they'd written demonizing anybody who was against the lockdowns and praising countries like China who were murdering citizens who dared leave their houses.
The kids today are borderline retarded. We're going to lose half a generation of kids who are going to grow up barely able to wipe their own asses they're going to be so stupid as adults.
The world economy is shit.
Countless old people died alone without their loved ones being there to comfort them.
All so a bunch of scared little Karens could feel safe, while the Government flexed it's enormous power over everyone, and took away their livelihoods if they didn't allow an experimental jab into their body.
We don't even know the fallout from that part yet. It's not going to be good.
And I'll be right here to tell New York Magazine to fuck right off when they admit the vaccination mandates and the vaccines themselves were a mistake and they were Trump's fault.
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BTW- I added to my post (above)
Quote:But when you get right down to it, they point to the PRACTICAL limitations of lockdowns in a society as disorganized as many western nations. These are the practical problems with lockdowns:
Originally posted by SIX
Basically, going back to January, they’d be like, ‘China’s not going to control it; 80 percent of the population is going to get it; all efforts to contain it are going to fail; we have to learn to live with this virus; contact tracing and testing make no sense; this is going to be everywhere; right now we need to build up hospitals’ — which they didn’t even do. But they really didn’t think it was stoppable,” she says. “And then all of a sudden you started to see, in February, South Korea stopping it, Taiwan stopping it, and China stopping it. Then, in March, New Zealand. And then Australia. And then there’s this realization of, ‘Oh, wow. Actually, it is controllable.’”
SIGNY: I'm not sure what the point of posting this is.
China controlled Covid with draconian localized (or in some cases regional) lockdowns. They basically outwaited the virus until it had mutated to a less-lethal form.
S Korea: severe lockdowns. Indoor mask wearing, limits on indoor gatherings to 10 people etc.
Australia: severe lockdowns
New Zealand: severe lockdowns.
SIX: It appears to me that you do understand the point of posting that.Quote:
And correspondingly low death rates. This seems to be saying that if you're dealing with a highly contagious disease by restricting contacts, you have to be strict about it bc half-assed measures are going to get you half-assed results.
Allegedly.
My whole point, which it would appear that you didn't get, is that New York Magazine is now saying that the lockdowns were a mistake and that they were George W. Bush's fault. All while having the gall to put this in print:Quote:
One of the great mysteries of the pandemic is why so many countries followed China’s example. In the U.S. and the U.K. especially, lockdowns went from being regarded as something that only an authoritarian government would attempt to an example of “following the science.” But there was never any science behind lockdowns — not a single study had ever been undertaken to measure their efficacy in stopping a pandemic. When you got right down to it, lockdowns were little more than a giant experiment.
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Could the kinds of lockdowns that are achievable in the real world, where hundreds of millions of people can’t live in isolation chambers, be an effective tool against a pandemic? Did the virus truly go away during a lockdown or simply hide, waiting to reemerge when it ended? And finally, did the many social, economic, and medical downsides make them, in the aggregate, not worth whatever short-term benefits they might yield?
Lockdowns ... oh, and BORDER CONTROLS... might be a useful rapid-response tool, but effective protocols can't be maintained indefinitely. If you have an unknown rapidly-spreading and sometimes fatal disease, you might use a tight lockdown to give you time to chracterize the disease: Is it airborne? Waterborne? Bloodborne? Hand contact? Who does it affect most? How do you control it? You don't need to be exact, but it was alrady known by the time it came to USA shores that it was probably airborne or foamite borne, it affected the elderly, and it had a roughly 2-week incubation period.
IMHO N95s were obviously the way to go. The problem was, there simply weren't enough. I was fortunate that I had a box at home to use and share with family.
We were unprepared. Almost all of our N95s are manufactured in China, and they were all committed by contract to others.
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And then I posted a dozen of their articles out of the dozens that they'd written demonizing anybody who was against the lockdowns and praising countries like China who were murdering citizens who dared leave their houses.
The kids today are borderline retarded. We're going to lose halNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I'm rarely wrong when given enough time Sigs.
I don't make Tick Tock threads, but if I did they wouldn't be going to nowhere like all of Teds do.
I've been right about everything else regarding Covid. It's only a matter of time before I'm proven right about the vaccines too.
You're still ignoring the point that NY Mag is now saying that lockdowns weren't only a mistake, but they weren't even based on science. Then they don't take any of the blame that they know they deserve.
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You were wrong when you said nobody ever died of Covid, and you were wrong when you predicted a red wave in last Congressional elections and you were wrong when you predicted Trump would win the election. You were also wrong to call for the killing of all Muslims.
You make these statements when you're swept with emotion, but they're not always based on fact or logic or, dare I say, science. Intuition is a powerful driver. Great discoveries were made by intuition, but altho it may feel infallible, it's not.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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Quote:What 6ix is doing has already got a name: "Catastrophism" -- a term from geology. It's the End of 6ix's World as he knows it.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You were wrong when you said nobody ever died of Covid, and you were wrong when you predicted a red wave in last Congressional elections and you were wrong when you predicted Trump would win the election. You were also wrong to call for the killing of all Muslims.
You make these statements when you're swept with emotion, but they're not always based on fact or logic or, dare I say, science. Intuition is a powerful driver. Great discoveries were made by intuition, but altho it may feel infallible, it's not.
Right-wing catastrophism is now an intellectual movement too
A coalition of intellectual catastrophists on the American right is ... giving the next generation of Republican officeholders, senior advisers, judges and appointees explicit permission and encouragement to believe that the country is on the verge of collapse. Some catastrophists take it a step further and suggest that officials might contemplate overthrowing liberal democracy in favor of revolutionary regime change or even imposing a right-wing dictatorship on the country.
Catastrophism has lately infiltrated the Republican intelligentsia, but they're followers, not leaders. The evangelical right, in particular, has been there for years and was joined by folks like Glenn Beck and Mark Levin a decade ago. Catastrophism has gone mainstream since then, and it's only recently that intellectuals joined the bandwagon.
It's been common for a while on the right to believe that liberals hate America because they think it's the root source of racism, militarism, gun culture, Christian nationalism, greed, and police violence. So things like terrorism, high inflation, and illegal immigration aren't just ordinary problems of the kind that every country has, but problems that liberals have deliberately spawned and secretly bankrolled as a way of weakening and eventually bringing down America as a world power. On the Christian right, the issues are a little different — tending toward abortion, gay rights, divorce, and the rise of atheism — but the belief that liberals are deliberately degrading America out of sheer hatred is much the same.
And now the intellectuals are on board too, providing an elaborate, footnoted superstructure for beliefs that lots of conservatives already have. This is the basis for the militant refusal to compromise among the most extreme precincts of the right. If you thought your opponents weren't merely misguided, but deliberately trying to bring down the country, you'd feel the same way they do.
More at https://jabberwocking.com/right-wing-catastrophism-is-now-an-intellect
ual-movement-too/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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