NY Magazine: COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You were wrong when you said nobody ever died of Covid.
No I wasn't.
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and you were wrong when you predicted a red wave in last Congressional elections
No I wasn't.
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and you were wrong when you predicted Trump would win the election.
No I wasn't.
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You were also wrong to call for the killing of all Muslims.
No I wasn't.
You are still ignoring the point of the thread.
Stay on topic.
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Quote:The only point I see Trumptards ever making is that they are loudmouth losers and they are very angry. Your thread is more of the same Trumptard bitching about not being respected as much as you imagine deserving. Life is tough for losers in America. See Trump's continuing trials and tribulations for example. It is always a mystery to stupid people about why bad things happen to them. The answer to why is a tautology: You are stupid. It is impossible for bad things not to continuously happen to stupid people in this complex world.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote: and you were wrong when you predicted Trump would win the election.
No I wasn't.
You are still ignoring the point of the thread.
Stay on topic.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Originally posted by second:Quote:The only point I see Trumptards ever making is that they are loudmouth losers and they are very angry. Your thread is more of the same Trumptard bitching about not being respected as much as you imagine deserving. Life is tough for losers in America. See Trump's continuing trials and tribulations for example. It is always a mystery to stupid people about why bad things happen to them. The answer to why is a tautology: You are stupid. It is impossible for bad things not to continuously happen to stupid people in this complex world.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote: and you were wrong when you predicted Trump would win the election.
No I wasn't.
You are still ignoring the point of the thread.
Stay on topic.
It has nothing to do with respect. It's making sure that nobody forgets what our government did to us and why they did it.
New York Magazine is trying to rewrite history.
You also know very well that I'm the smartest person remaining in the RWED after JO left dude.
Who are you kidding?
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Quote:Two years???
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The kids today are borderline retarded. We're going to lose half a generation of kids
Quote:There are so many reasons for that. Don't put it all on Covid...
who are going to grow up barely able to wipe their own asses they're going to be so stupid as adults.
I've never put anything on Covid. Not once.
I've put it on the government response to Covid, the Media villainizing anybody who was talking common sense while the government was pulling all of that shit and all the complacent citizenry who, because of fear and/or weakness and/or apathy and/or plain old stupidity went along with it all.
And yes. In this climate, two years is all its going to take. The kids in America were already fucked up beyond belief by the failing educational system and the two-working-parent system in tandem before April of 2020.
Check out this reddit for teachers to see the frustration and see all of their ideas why the kids are fucked up and aren't getting any better.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/17npkok/pssst_the_kids_cant
_read/
Sure. It's easy for them to blame the parents when the school system is failing their students, but when you've got 22 Million kids in America raised by single parents, and most of the rest of them raised by two working parents (and many of those holding multiple jobs simultaneously), I think there is a reasonable expectation that the MASSIVE amount of tax dollars going toward education is actually going to result in their kids getting educated.
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I teach 12th grade English and I know for a fact that many of our students are unable to read. They get by with a combination of cheating and bullshitting and manipulating the system. If they fail a class they take it on the online grade recovery program which is very easy to cheat. We're totally handing diplomas to people who can't read above the level of a Dr. Suess book.
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Yep. Every year, like clockwork, once 15-25% of my students realize that my class requires actual effort, they fail my class on purpose so that they can do the online grade recovery program later instead.
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ha, me too. Civics teacher for 11/12. Only me and the 10th grade bio teacher hold the kids to standards. You'd think the 75 pages of reading (from a book that has maybe 150 words a page) over the course of a quarter is child abuse.
Kid failed my class a few years ago, just opted to go on her phone every day. Hey, I don't care, you're 18, time to start being responsible for your own decisions. Well admin let her take a 'recovery' that let her get credit for the entire quarter in just 3 hours of work. So that's cool. Why even employ me
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Probably shouldn't spread this around or you will have more kids doing that and will really be out of a job
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Yep. I'm in my first year as a full time teacher in a high school Business Ed department. My classroom is a computer lab. The kids put far more effort into cheating and forging anything and everything they can than anything else. About half of each class period is capable of turning something in on time, even when I give them a week to turn in stuff and don't assign homework. Spelling, reading, and basic math skills are atrocious. All the school admin cares about is how many industry certifications we can get. So, may as well let the kid cheat I guess.
This is the first I've even heard of this "Online Grade Recovery Program".
So that's how Idiocracy happens.
Now I get it.
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Quote:A few years after Serenity failed at movies in 2005, the fans who were still here weren't smart. Did you notice that Haken, the founder of this site, doesn't come here anymore? The site is his sociological experiment to measure the devolution of a fan base until the software fails.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
New York Magazine is trying to rewrite history.
You also know very well that I'm the smartest person remaining in the RWED after JO left dude.
Who are you kidding?
What scared away the fans from Firefly? Firefly failed on TV, probably because Fox didn't want Joss Whedon around since he preyed on actresses, his episodes were too expensive and took too long to make. So they put Firefly into the Friday Night Death Slot to get rid of Joss, the Firefly showrunner.
Jan. 17, 2022 | The Undoing of Joss Whedon
https://www.vulture.com/article/joss-whedon-allegations.html
What scared away the rest of the fans from Firefly? Serenity failed on the Big Screen, for good reasons:
Friday, July 14, 2006 | SECOND GUESSING
Q. Why do you think SERENITY failed at the box office?
https://complicationsensue.blogspot.com/2006/07/second-guessing.html
Monday, July 17, 2006 | SECOND GUESSING, CONTINUED
A lot of comments on my earlier post and on Whedonesque claim that Serenity underperformed because of bad marketing. I have to disagree.
https://complicationsensue.blogspot.com/2006/07/second-guessing-contin
ued.html
Firefly and Serenity are about a crew of highly defective and opinionated people, which also describes people who liked the show. Some of the defective people flying on Serenity were very successful at what they did, but not Mal, Zoe, Wash, or Jayne. Those four were very bad at making a decent living from crime. Even in the movie, Mal complained they were starving for food and fuel. Who does that leave as competent people? Kaylee, River, and Simon, all deserve better than what Mal could deliver. Remember that River and Simon bailed out during the movie? Kaylee would be next because she could be a success anywhere with her pleasant personality and intelligence. Inara and Book had bailed earlier because they saw Mal's sad career would ultimately fail.
I'm still around because I've got a story about how Serenity becomes a viable business. The story is not yet written. One of these days. Or if I am smart, never.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You were wrong when you said nobody ever died of Covid.
No I wasn't.Quote:
and you were wrong when you predicted a red wave in last Congressional elections
No I wasn't.Quote:
and you were wrong when you predicted Trump would win the election.
No I wasn't.Quote:
You were also wrong to call for the killing of all Muslims.
No I wasn't.
You are still ignoring the point of the thread.
Stay on topic.
Dood, YOU were the one who brought up that you were right about almost everything. I'm merely pointing out where you were obviously wrong.
I bring this up bc you're making the same mistake that SECOND makes: you think you know everything. No wonder you guys butt heads so often! Well, that plus SECOND insults everyone.
The article basically says "Lockdowns aren't PRACTICAL" and bc they're not practical a) they won't reduce or slow down the spread of disease and b) they'll have negative effects.
But practicality depends on the society that implements it, and what is done afterwards. China achieved a pretty low death rate as far as we know, even as the most deadly form circulated there first.
Australia and New Zealand, both island nations, have very strict quarantine procedures for animals and other imports. That's why neither island has rabies or mad cow disease, for example. So they extended that kind of thinking to Covid. I thought they were nuts, but it did work for them, at least as far as Covid is concerned.
S Korea also had strict controls on gatherings, masking etc. and it worked for them, too.
But the kind of lockdown that would work best would be short but total: no shopping, no work, no gatherings of any sort.
Food delivered to your door.
Each household isolated for maybe three weeks.
After that, there would need to be sufficient supplies- N95s (for airborne like SARS), or face masks and hand sanitizers (like for bird flu), or gloves and face shields and bleach (like for Ebola)... whatever it takes for people to move about safely in their day-to-day activities.
BTW, none of those diseases have any treatment, so prevention is the only measure available.
And I wouldn't make them mandatory, either. I mean, if you feel happy without any sort of protection, then, yanno, feel free! But if you're a parent, or taking care of the very elderly who may not be able to make decisions for themselves, you have to be responsible for them too.
But if you fail to take precautions, I wouldn't move heaven in earth to get those people medical care, either. They live or die with their decision.
Same as with any vaccine not rigorously safety tested. Should be optional.
That kind of prep, tho, is far FAR beyond what our society can achieve! But god help is if we should ever encounter something like airborne Ebola (which ran rampant thru a monkey breeding house in Reston VA The Hot Zone ) or the Spanish Flu or MERS or human-to-human bird flu. There were be dunderheads in denial, and it would be impossible for any thinking person to trust anything that the government mandated.
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Quote:The USA is not homogeneous, but bits of it can impose rules and enforce them. For example, the Houston Methodist Hospital system required its nurses to be vaccinated or be fired. 6ix believed that was pure evil. I believe that if a hospital cannot be allowed to enforce rules, that is pure evil. 6ix and my views are completely incompatible. I'm pretty sure 6ix's way would be disastrous while my way would work.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, none of those diseases have any treatment, so prevention is the only measure available.
And I wouldn't make them mandatory, either. I mean, if you feel happy without any sort of protection, then, yanno, feel free! But if you're a parent, or taking care of the very elderly who may not be able to make decisions for themselves, you have to be responsible for them too.
But if you fail to take precautions, I wouldn't move heaven in earth to get those people medical care, either. They live or die with their decision.
Same as with any vaccine not rigorously safety tested. Should be optional.
That kind of prep, tho, is far FAR beyond what our society can achieve! But god help is if we should ever encounter something like airborne Ebola (which ran rampant thru a monkey breeding house in Reston VA The Hot Zone ) or the Spanish Flu or MERS or human-to-human bird flu. There were be dunderheads in denial, and it would be impossible for any thinking person to trust anything that the government mandated.
His kind of people don't care about the disaster, only about the freedom to do as they want, consequences be damned. I see 6ix's kind all over Texas being damned by the consequences of their freedom and, presumably from the news I read, all over the country. Those consequences enrage 6ix's kind and make them want even more the freedom to destroy themselves. In the next election, 6ix's kind will attempt to permanently grab the freedom to be as big a failure as they want to be. I hope 6ix's kind fails to make the entire country as big a failure as Trumptards are as individuals.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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November 4, 2023 | Willful ignorance occurs when someone intentionally avoids information about the negative consequences of their actions. A new meta-analysis found that 40% of people will choose to remain ignorant of how their decisions affect others. The evidence suggests that willful ignorance provides people with a built-in excuse to act selfishly.
Do you have an uncle who believes vaccines cause autism but refuses to study the reams of research showing them to be safe? What about a friend who avoids information about factory animal farming so they can eat cheap meat guilt-free? Or how about that CEO who claims their business is ethically minded, yet doesn’t investigate its supply chain for exploitation of the environment or the impoverished?
Each is an example of what psychologists call willful ignorance — the intentional act of avoiding information that reveals the negative consequences of one’s actions. Not to judge: We all have a place in our lives where we look the other way and pretend everything is fine. It may be personal, political, or professional in nature, but just below the conscious surface, we know our actions don’t align with our stated values.
“Examples [of] willful ignorance abound in everyday life,” Linh Vu, a doctoral candidate at the University of Amsterdam, said. “We wanted to know just how prevalent and how harmful willful ignorance is, as well as why people engage in it.”
More at https://bigthink.com/neuropsych/people-choose-willful-ignorance/
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SECOND, THIS economy is not built on ethics, it's built on GREED. And if you behave ethically while TPTB don't, all you'll do is get fucked.
In this specific case:
Was 3M behaving ethically when it decided to outsource its N95 manufacturing to China, or fail to make any of the supply available to the USA?
Was the government behaving ethically when it secretly contracted Wuhan lan to perform GOF research on a notoriously contagious virus? Was the Wuhan lab behaving ethically when it ran those experiments?
Did our government behave ethically when it hid the probable source of the virus from us?
Was big pharma ethical when it pushed thru a vaccine innocuously labeled "messenger" RNA when in reality it was MODIFIED RNA?
Was government behaving ethically when it mandated vaccination with an unproven vaccine, when other measures such as N95s could have been substituted? Or mandated long-term but half-assed isolation measures that had mostly negative effects and few positive ones?
I can come up with at least a dozen more unethical decisions, where the negative effects on a whole slew of people, weren't taken into account by business leaders or politicians or government employees.
In light of that, it hardly makes any sense to advocates that the "little people"... those without wealth or influence... behave better than TPTB.
They say "A fish rots from the head" and the USA looks like a prime example.
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See what I mean?
Second is still pushing the narrative that I'm some Nazi that was trying to kill my grandma and everybody else's grandma.
And NY Magazine now comes out and says that the lockdowns were a mistake, questions why we were trying to emulate China, and pawn the blame off on GWB.
It's Leftist shitrags like NY Magazine that pumped Second's head full of all that propaganda for 2.5 years and now they're going to say what I was saying all along, even claiming that there was no science behind the lockdowns.
The only reason everybody gets away with all the horrible shit they do is because people are fucking stupid, and nobody is ever held accountable.
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