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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Sunday, October 8, 2023 10:05 PM

Child rapist Zelensky is pissing himself after the Hamas attack.

If he was worried that the Ukraine grift well had run dry before, he knows he's fucked right now.

He served his purpose. It's late in 2023, but my bet is he's murdered sometime next year.

And meanwhile, the Military Industrial Complex "found" another way to keep funneling OUR money into the machine without missing a beat.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Sunday, October 8, 2023 10:41 PM

More fiction from SECOND

"Julian Assange is in legal trouble because he has flamboyantly lived out his character defects instead of correcting himself. Here is one defect out of many defects: In some of the messages, obtained by The Atlantic, WikiLeaks reportedly offered damaging information on Hillary Clinton in exchange for Donald Trump Jr.’s help appointing Assange as U.S. ambassador to Australia if the elder Trump won the election"

- That's not what we're charging him with. Say, do you even know WHAT our charges against Assange are?

"Russia has nearly exhausted stockpile of up to 15 million shells; Ukraine to surpass Russian shell usage by year-end"

- Do you have any idea HOW MANY times people have published this, only to be proven lying, or stupid? Russia's offensive will begin by "shaping the battlefield" (They've already blown the bridges across the Oskol River, trapping 20,000 Ukrainian soldiers between the river to their backs and the frontline to the east.) There will be deep strikes far behind the front line, destroying ammo dumps, warehouses, port facilites, concentrations of troops, command centers, transportation nodes etc (Happening now. Russia recently blew up, among other things, a command center and an ammo dump with 63,000 TONS of munitions.)
Once supplies and logistics are degraded far behind the line and the Ukrainian army is exhausted to its core, Russia's offensive will begin in earnest with a hail of artillery and drone strikes at the front line. Then you'll see just how much Russia HASN'T "run out" of artillery shells.



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Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Monday, October 9, 2023 4:38 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
More fiction from SECOND

"Julian Assange is in legal trouble because he has flamboyantly lived out his character defects instead of correcting himself. Here is one defect out of many defects: In some of the messages, obtained by The Atlantic, WikiLeaks reportedly offered damaging information on Hillary Clinton in exchange for Donald Trump Jr.’s help appointing Assange as U.S. ambassador to Australia if the elder Trump won the election"

- That's not what we're charging him with. Say, do you even know WHAT our charges against Assange are?

"Russia has nearly exhausted stockpile of up to 15 million shells; Ukraine to surpass Russian shell usage by year-end"

- Do you have any idea HOW MANY times people have published this, only to be proven lying, or stupid? Russia's offensive will begin by "shaping the battlefield" (They've already blown the bridges across the Oskol River, trapping 20,000 Ukrainian soldiers between the river to their backs and the frontline to the east.) There will be deep strikes far behind the front line, destroying ammo dumps, warehouses, port facilites, concentrations of troops, command centers, transportation nodes etc (Happening now. Russia recently blew up, among other things, a command center and an ammo dump with 63,000 TONS of munitions.)
Once supplies and logistics are degraded far behind the line and the Ukrainian army is exhausted to its core, Russia's offensive will begin in earnest with a hail of artillery and drone strikes at the front line. Then you'll see just how much Russia HASN'T "run out" of artillery shells.

Julian Assange is currently being held at Belmarsh, a high security prison in the UK, on the basis of a US extradition request on charges that stem directly from the publication of disclosed documents as part of his work with Wikileaks.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/petition/julian-assange-usa-justice/

Assange has imprisoned himself. He could force the USA to put him on trial and get himself released when he wins, but he is too fearful to try the obvious escape path from prison. Similarly, Putin has chained himself to Ukraine because he is too fearful to withdraw. Unlike Assange, Putin doesn't have to depend on the vagaries of a jury decision. Putin decides when Putin can go free. If only Putin would stop fighting, declare victory, and go home, but he doesn't, so he remains at war. If only Assange would stop fighting extradition, but he doesn't, and so he remains in prison.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, October 9, 2023 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Child rapist Zelensky is pissing himself after the Hamas attack.

If he was worried that the Ukraine grift well had run dry before, he knows he's fucked right now.

He served his purpose. It's late in 2023, but my bet is he's murdered sometime next year.

And meanwhile, the Military Industrial Complex "found" another way to keep funneling OUR money into the machine without missing a beat.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

6ix, Trumptards like you are so crazy that it shortens your lives. Because the USA is the best country in the world for retards to live a long life, you defective people stay alive far longer than anywhere else in the world, but eventually your 24/7/365 craziness catches up with you and causes your end. Expected yet tragic when a Trumptard like Rush Limbaugh, the cigar connoisseur who denied smoking causes cancer, died of lung cancer. But he lived long enough for Trump to award Rush with the Medal of Freedom for being the craziest personality on talk radio.

Why the world has been footing the bill for Putin’s war
Boosted oil revenues as a result of the Ukraine conflict have helped fund the Kremlin’s invasion

By Kirill Rogov | Oct 8, 2023

The author is director of Re: Russia. Expertise, Analysis and Policy Network and a visiting fellow at the Institute for Human Sciences in Vienna

Despite the supply of western weaponry, the Ukrainian counteroffensive has not yielded the expected results. The Russian military machine has partially weathered the crisis in command, and the political situation remains relatively stable. The result is that the conflict has entered a protracted phase. But why has Russia been so resilient to sanctions, how has it borne the costs of the invasion, and for how much longer will Vladimir Putin continue to fight?

The Kremlin is at a tipping point in the economics of this war. This week the finance ministry disclosed that it aims to spend Rbs10.8tn ($108bn) on defence next year, three times the amount allocated in 2021, and equivalent to 6 per cent of Russia’s GDP. But the actual amount will inevitably be higher due to hidden items and is likely to be about 7 per cent ($126bn). Forbes Ukraine calculated Russia’s main war expenses at around $170bn over the past year and a half, although this excluded some regular defence expenditure. Such estimates are undoubtedly imprecise but fall within the same range, indicating the war has cost the Kremlin $100bn to $120bn per year.

However, this has not significantly impacted the economy — at least, not yet. Because it is the buyers of Russian oil, rather than the Russian state, who have been paying for the conflict. Over the past decade, Russia’s average annual income from all exports has been around $430bn at an average Brent crude price of $67 per barrel during this period. However, an abnormal price increase in 2022 driven by the Ukraine invasion and the resulting sanctions pushed exports up to $590bn and this year the figure is estimated to be around $460bn. The additional income of $200bn above the decade average roughly covers the costs of the war so far.

Of course, not all this money went directly to the military budget, but most of it did. The benefits to Putin of this export income bump are significant. There was no need to redistribute much money from other parts of the state, which would create political tension. The Russian government estimates the fiscal stimulus of its 2022-23 budget to be equivalent to 10 per cent of GDP — allowing it to offset the effect of the sanctions and constraining their effect.

This could be about to change. Up until now, an annual export income revenue of $430bn has allowed Putin to invest comfortably in infrastructure and maintain sufficient social spending. Within the past decade, 2015 and 2020 proved to be lean years when external income amounted to just $330bn to $340bn, during the average oil pri

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Monday, October 9, 2023 5:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Child rapist Zelensky is pissing himself after the Hamas attack.

If he was worried that the Ukraine grift well had run dry before, he knows he's fucked right now.

He served his purpose. It's late in 2023, but my bet is he's murdered sometime next year.

And meanwhile, the Military Industrial Complex "found" another way to keep funneling OUR money into the machine without missing a beat.

--------------------------------------------------

Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

6ix, Trumptards like you are so crazy that it shortens your lives. Because the USA is the best country in the world for retards to live a long life, you defective people stay alive far longer than anywhere else in the world, but eventually your 24/7/365 craziness catches up with you and causes your end. Expected yet tragic when a Trumptard like Rush Limbaugh, the cigar connoisseur who denied smoking causes cancer, died of lung cancer. But he lived long enough for Trump to award Rush with the Medal of Freedom for being the craziest personality on talk radio.



Yeah. We've heard all your judgements and lies before, cunt.

We'll just save more of the I Told You Sos from the neverending bag. You've quite the extensive collection of them now. Whatever do you do with all of them?

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Monday, October 9, 2023 5:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Yeah. We've heard all your judgements and lies before, cunt.

We'll just save more of the I Told You Sos from the neverending bag. You've quite the extensive collection of them now. Whatever do you do with all of them?

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

6ix, Trumptards are as stupid and crazy as Russians and North Koreans. The Russians blame their relative poverty compared to the EU on the West rather than themselves. The Trumptards blame the Democrats rather than themselves. The North Koreans blame their poverty on South Korea rather than themselves. Crazy and stupid people blame anybody except themselves for their woeful lives.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, October 9, 2023 6:53 PM

Negotiating With Russia Is Still a Bad Idea

The rationale for forcing Ukraine to stop fighting keeps changing with the facts on the ground.

By Raphael S. Cohen, the director of the Strategy and Doctrine Program at the Rand Corporation’s Project Air Force, and Gian Gentile, the deputy director of the Rand Corporation’s Army Research Division | October 9, 2023, 6:00 AM

Since the very outset of Russia’s war against Ukraine, there have been calls for the United States to negotiate with Russia. As the war has dragged on, the rationale for negotiations has morphed with each phase: Ukraine can’t possibly win, so the West needs to negotiate; Ukraine has guaranteed its survival but can’t hope for much more, so it’s time to talk; Ukraine is winning too fast, so let’s give Russian President Vladimir Putin an off-ramp in case he wants to blow up the world; the war is becoming too expensive, so send in the diplomats.

The latest version of the argument that Washington should negotiate an end to the war—or, more precisely, pressure Ukraine to capitulate—goes something like this: Americans, particularly those leaning toward the Republican Party, are growing wary of sending aid to Ukraine. On Capitol Hill, Republicans prevented Ukraine aid from being included in the continuing resolution passed on Sept. 30 that kept the U.S. government open. On the battlefield, the Ukrainian counteroffensive is proving to be a tougher and slower slog than many had hoped, and even Kyiv’s supporters now acknowledge that any victory will be at least one year away.

In the meantime, casualties have, by some counts, surpassed half a million killed and injured soldiers. Given these darkening clouds on both the political and military fronts, why not try to cut some sort of deal, potentially saving tens of thousands of lives and many billions of dollars?

Once you scratch below the surface, however, the case for negotiating with Russia quickly falls apart. Let’s start with the supposed shift in U.S. public opinion. Yes, some polls show declining support for Ukraine. The real question, though, concerns the reasons why some Americans appear to have changed their mind. Some may indeed be concerned about the cost, but analyses also suggest that the decline, particularly among Republicans, reflects general misgivings about U.S. President Joe Biden and his policies as an election season gets underway, rather than Ukraine’s cause on its own merits.

A Reagan Institute survey from June, for example, confirms this hypothesis. When pollsters told skeptical respondents that the United States “has spent roughly $24 billion on military aid to Ukraine, which is roughly 3% of the US military’s own budget” and that “Ukraine remains in control of roughly 83% of its territory and US intelligence believes the war has severely degraded Russia’s military power and its ability to threaten NATO allies,” this information raised support for Ukraine by 18 percent among self-identified Republicans and 12 percent among Democrats. Dwindling support for Ukraine may be more about bad messaging and lack of information than actual policy.

Support for Ukraine on Capitol Hill tells a similarly nuanced story. True, a group of Republicans in the House of Representatives managed to keep additional Ukraine aid out of the bill that kept the government open. The Senate, however, is more mixed. Indeed, even at the height of the recent budget battle, a bipartisan group of Senate leaders—including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell—issued a joint statement supporting Ukraine and endorsing continuing support. Moreover, earlier that same week, the House approved $300 million in Ukraine aid while also voting down two other attempts to restrict sending aid to Ukraine by wide margins, including about half of the Republican members.

So even if there are divisions among legislators, it is not at all clear whether Congress would support negotiating with Russia. Indeed, while there are elements in the House that have pushed to stop Ukraine aid, multiple Republican senators have hammered the Bi

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Monday, October 9, 2023 9:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Yeah. We've heard all your judgements and lies before, cunt.

We'll just save more of the I Told You Sos from the neverending bag. You've quite the extensive collection of them now. Whatever do you do with all of them?

--------------------------------------------------

Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

6ix, Trumptards are as stupid and crazy as Russians and North Koreans. The Russians blame their relative poverty compared to the EU on the West rather than themselves. The Trumptards blame the Democrats rather than themselves. The North Koreans blame their poverty on South Korea rather than themselves. Crazy and stupid people blame anybody except themselves for their woeful lives.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly




We've heard all this dumb shit out of you before, and it's not anymore true now that you've said it for the 1000th time.

You're an idiot, a sociopath, a serial liar and you're always wrong about everything.



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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Monday, October 9, 2023 11:58 PM

More fiction via SECOND:

Quote:

Negotiating With Russia Is Still a Bad Idea


Negotiating with Russia is a good idea, if you negotiate in good faith. But since the collective west doesn't negotiate in good faith, Russia won't negotiate with us.



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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Tuesday, October 10, 2023 12:01 AM

THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

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SECOND, THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT TRUMP OR TRUMP SUPPORTERS.

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Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM


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