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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You're in California. I meant in America.
Oh, yeah, cute SIX.
Fuck off.
Quote:Frankly, I don't know. I'm not paying anymore, so it doesn't concern me.
How much is it per kWh there again?
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How much was the install?
Cheap enough at the then-prevailing rates to make sense.
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No leaky roof yet? No big panel repair bills yet?
No. I went with a long-established company with a good rep that (BTW) hires veterans. And no panel repairs... these panels are physically more durable than most, solid copper across the back, wired in parallel so a leaf falling across a cell doesn't bonk the entire panel, and each panel with its own inverter.
There's only one problem with them: They won't operate off-grid. You need a voltage across them in order to create electricity, and if the grid fails, there goes the solar panel! We're looking into a backup. Battery is way too expensive to make sense, but a small generator is all we'd need to get the solar panels up and running again in the AM.
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The semi-regular hail storms we get in these parts would thrash those panels, not to mention the 45" of snow that turned into ice that was on everybody's roof about 3 winters ago.
Oh, jeez, give me a fucking break, SUX. I wouldn't recommend solar panels for anyone under those conditions.
You know how I posted there was no one, single, magical technology? That a variety of approaches are necessary? Well, solar panels are one solution for one area, but not for everyone. I think you're just jealous that we can make electricity from sunshine and you can't.
For people in your situation I'd recommend great insulation and efficient heating and AC. My sis's furnace heat exchanger is SO efficient, the exhaust gas is too cold to make it all the way to the roof. They have to vent thru a hole on the first floor, and their gas bills are SUPER cheap.
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I looked it up. It's still under 20 cents per kWh in California. That's not too much more than mine at 13.75 cents per kWh.
How much power are you using in a month to break even in less than 6 years?
My highest month this year with A/C running nearly 24/7 was only 580 kWh, and I always have 8 LED lights on 24/7. I'm not exactly sparing with my electricity usage like I am with my gas usage. That was $79.75, not including the BS service charges that are around $30-$35 per month even if you didn't use any electricity and that they'd still charge if I had solar power.
It creeps up a bit during winter when the blower for the furnace is on, but nothing like summer time. 6 months out of the year I'm using less than 250-300 kWh.
You must be 1,500 to 2,000 kWh per month or more or something.
I'm not jealous that solar doesn't work out here. Even if my neighbors cut all their trees down and global warming made it so that it never snowed here again, I probably wouldn't even live long enough to break even if I installed solar panels.
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Quote:I think it depends. We don't have a flat rate. We don't even have tiered rates (i.e. over a certain KWh your rate goes up.) We have what is called Time of Use... the highest rates are between 1600 and 2000, right when solar panels basically stop working and home use goes up as people get home, turn on the AC, start cooking etc. So SCE has got it figured how to collect the most $$, even from people with solar panels.
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I looked it up. It's still under 20 cents per kWh in California. That's not too much more than mine at 13.75 cents per kWh.
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How much power are you using in a month to break even in less than 6 years?
Again, I don't know. I'd have to look it up bc right.mow it's gotten to a certain "lifestyle". I could more easily tell you our water use over 2 months (12-25 CCF) thsn electricity.
Quote:Like I said, I'd have to check. We keep our A/C about 77 during the day but drop it to 73@ night. But we cool it down only in the back bedrooms, bc even tho we have central AC, our house is "zoned" that allows us to control temp in 3 different areeas. One zone we almost never turn on.
My highest month this year with A/C running nearly 24/7 was only 580 kWh, and I always have 8 LED lights on 24/7. I'm not exactly sparing with my electricity usage like I am with my gas usage. That was $79.75, not including the BS service charges that are around $30-$35 per month even if you didn't use any electricity and that they'd still charge if I had solar power.
It creeps up a bit during winter when the blower for the furnace is on, but nothing like summer time. 6 months out of the year I'm using less than 250-300 kWh.
You must be 1,500 to 2,000 kWh per month or more or something.
Also, we have elecric range and oven, that's the way the house came. But when our oven died in a shower of sparks, I replaced it with a more- efficient convection oven, and when our range started zapping me when I touched it, we replaced it with an induction range.
Quote:You might not. Everybody's use, rate, climate, solar roof space etc is different. But here, where summers are hot and sunshine is bright, I can't understand why anyone would NOT go solar.
I'm not jealous that solar doesn't work out here. Even if my neighbors cut all their trees down and global warming made it so that it never snowed here again, I probably wouldn't even live long enough to break even if I installed solar panels.
Apparently there are horror stories about people getting $2000 bills at the end of the contract year for which they're not prepared bc their systems are small. OTOH they've probably saved $200-300/ month and if they had set some of that savings aside instead of hemorrhaging every single $ from their account, they would recognize that they had actually saved money.
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I just can't imagine the phrase "saving $200-$300 per month" on electricity.
I went for years without any A/C, but now that I have one that cools my whole house until it's almost uncomfortably chilly unless it's been in the mid to high 90's for more than 4 or 5 days straight, I've never had a power bill during the summer that was more than $175... and that includes my gas.
My typical electric portion of the bill 6 months out of the year is less than $70-$80. I can't imagine I've ever even had a single month where the electric portion was over $130, and if it even got that high it's only a once in every 3 or 4 year occurrence.
Plus you get a bunch of dipshits installing them half the time. Your roof is not made for harvesting solar power. It's made for keeping the house dry and mold-free. Unless things are different in California (which they may be), this isn't union work with well-paid people who are headed by veterans. They cut corners and do shoddy jobs, damaging your roof in the process and then doing whatever they can to not take the blame after the fact.
The only way I'd ever consider solar power on my property is in my back yard, on the ground. And the price would have to come down a LOT before I'd think about it. As it stands now, even if I were to set the entire system up myself and avoid paying somebody else to hook up the system it is just prohibitively expensive and wouldn't ever pay for itself before the panels were damaged or just stopped working right.
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SIX, you seem determined to argue against putting solar panels on your roof, and I've posted over and over again that I would never recommend them for anyone in your climate.
So can you please drop that argument, and accept the fact that it's worked out very well for us, but it wouldn't for you?
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FWIW I looked at our usage. Unfortunately the bill only shows NET usage, not solar-generated + SCE generated. I'd have to calculate the average panel KWh and add it back in, but FWIW we used a net 450 KWh during mid-Aug to mid-Sept, which happens to be the hottest time of the year. During the winter, our "usage" is negative - i.e. we generate more than we use. That's where we make our $$.
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Pope Francis lambasts climate change skeptics and ‘irresponsible’ Western lifestyles | October 4, 2023
Pope Francis has made his strongest statement yet on the accelerating climate crisis, pinning blame on big industries and world leaders as well as “irresponsible” Western lifestyles, in a blistering statement on Wednesday.
“Our responses have not been adequate, while the world in which we live is collapsing and may be nearing the breaking point,” the pontiff wrote in a 7,000 word encyclical called Laudate Deum (“Praise God”). https://www.humandevelopment.va/en/news/2023/laudate-deum-apostolic-ex
hortation-of-pope-francis.html
“Some effects of the climate crisis are already irreversible, at least for several hundred years, such as the increase in the global temperature of the oceans, their acidification and the decrease of oxygen,” he wrote.
The pope leveled heavy criticism at climate change deniers and delayers.
“Despite all attempts to deny, conceal, gloss over or relativize the issue, the signs of climate change are here and increasingly evident. No one can ignore the fact that in recent years we have witnessed extreme weather phenomena, frequent periods of unusual heat, drought and other cries of protest,” he wrote.
Climate change will likely only get worse and ignoring it will heighten “the probability of extreme phenomena that are increasingly frequent and intense,” he wrote.
The pope paid particular attention to the disproportionate responsibility of rich countries for climate change.
“If we consider that emissions per individual in the United States are about two times greater than those of individuals living in China, and about seven times greater than the average of the poorest countries, we can state that a broad change in the irresponsible lifestyle connected with the Western model would have a significant long-term impact,” he wrote.
He also leveled blame at leaders and businesses which he said prioritize short-term profits and gains over climate action. “Regrettably, the climate crisis is not exactly a matter that interests the great economic powers, whose concern is with the greatest profit possible at minimal cost and in the shortest amount of time.”
He even directed criticism at his own church, referring to “certain dismissive and scarcely reasonable opinions that I encounter, even within the Catholic Church.”
The pope’s statement is a follow-up to his 2015 encyclical letter Laudato Si (“Praised Be To You”), which was the first ever ponitifcal writing completely dedicated to ecological issues, which have been a cornerstone of his papacy.
It comes ahead of the UN COP28 climate conference, which starts at the end of November in Dubai, where countries will undergo “global stocktake” to assess how quickly they are progressing towards climate goals.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/world/pope-francis-climate-change-encyc
lical-intl/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Does that include private jets, mega-mansions, ginormous yachts, joyrides in space, and war?
Pope Francis lambasts climate change skeptics and ‘irresponsible’ Western lifestyles
Bc if it doesn't, he's a hypocrite.
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Fuck Pope Francis.
Unless you're an altar boy. He'd enjoy that.
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Pope Francis has made his strongest statement yet on the accelerating climate crisis, pinning blame on big industries and world leaders as well as “irresponsible” Western lifestyles, in a blistering statement on Wednesday.
Meanwhile, in reality...
Here's the Pope's house:
https://i.ibb.co/dJNTj9H/Interior-Sistine-Chapel-Vatican-City.webp
What was your heating bill last year, huh Frank?
I don't want to hear one more fucking word out of you about irresponsible lifestyles.
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Quote:6ix, your words reveal your inner self as do the Pope's words:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Fuck Pope Francis.
I don't want to hear one more fucking word out of you about irresponsible lifestyles.
23. It is chilling to realize that the capacities expanded by technology have given those with the knowledge and especially the economic resources to use them, an impressive dominance over the whole of humanity and the entire world. Never has humanity had such power over itself, yet nothing ensures that it will be used wisely, particularly when we consider how it is currently being used. In whose hands does all this power lie, or will it eventually end up? It is extremely risky for a small part of humanity to have it.
Rethinking our use of power
24. Not every increase in power represents progress for humanity. We need only think of the “admirable” technologies that were employed to decimate populations, drop atomic bombs and annihilate ethnic groups. There were historical moments where our admiration at progress blinded us to the horror of its consequences. But that risk is always present because our immense technological development has not been accompanied by a development in human responsibility, values and conscience. We stand naked and exposed in the face of our ever-increasing power, lacking the wherewithal to control it. We have certain superficial mechanisms, but we cannot claim to have a sound ethics, a culture and a spirituality genuinely capable of setting limits and teaching clear-minded self-restraint. It is not strange that so great a power in such hands is capable of destroying life, while the mentality proper to the technocratic paradigm blinds us and does not permit us to see this extremely grave problem of present-day humanity.
https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_exhortations/documen
ts/20231004-laudate-deum.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix, your words reveal your inner self as do the Pope's words:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Fuck Pope Francis.
I don't want to hear one more fucking word out of you about irresponsible lifestyles.
23. It is chilling to realize that the capacities expanded by technology have given those with the knowledge and especially the economic resources to use them, an impressive dominance over the whole of humanity and the entire world. Never has humanity had such power over itself, yet nothing ensures that it will be used wisely, particularly when we consider how it is currently being used. In whose hands does all this power lie, or will it eventually end up? It is extremely risky for a small part of humanity to have it.
Rethinking our use of power
24. Not every increase in power represents progress for humanity. We need only think of the “admirable” technologies that were employed to decimate populations, drop atomic bombs and annihilate ethnic groups. There were historical moments where our admiration at progress blinded us to the horror of its consequences. But that risk is always present because our immense technological development has not been accompanied by a development in human responsibility, values and conscience. We stand naked and exposed in the face of our ever-increasing power, lacking the wherewithal to control it. We have certain superficial mechanisms, but we cannot claim to have a sound ethics, a culture and a spirituality genuinely capable of setting limits and teaching clear-minded self-restraint. It is not strange that so great a power in such hands is capable of destroying life, while the mentality proper to the technocratic paradigm blinds us and does not permit us to see this extremely grave problem of present-day humanity.
https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_exhortations/documen
ts/20231004-laudate-deum.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Oh! Are you offended that I would dare talk about the Pope like that?
Go tell tell him your thoughts on abortion and see what your new savior thinks about you.
Fuck Pope Frank and fuck you too.
Here's some revealing words for you, cunt.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65116
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