Autotuned/Pitch Corrected, or not Autotuned/Pitch Corrected?
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Thursday, October 12, 2023 22:49
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Corrected or Not Corrected
Gene Simmons maybe a little old and sick after all those Booster Shots but an amazing musician a legendary performance
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John Myung from Dream Theater would be attempted
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Ok, my guess is autotuned. It sounds kinda synthetic.
JAYNZE, thanks for the music! I guess I like music that sounds less processed. Nice choices, for me.
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SLIGHTLY AUTO-TUNED ...maybe they forced 10 or so words into pitch correctiuon but it is not bad
but mostly Fx and Layers
that's what I say to the Original tune Six posted
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow, I had a hard time telling. I don't usually listen to music. Better try the vocals only.
For me Anyways its about range you need to catch Deep and High like 60hz - you should probably go deep like 40 Hz go even lower than Queen's Another One Bites The Dust...or just sing your friends a really low primate line ...Gu ba Doom - Doom - ba - Wuh - Domm .. Gu Ba Dum...
if you get the Bass Guitar you will know the Groove of the song, maybe the Beat, the Key and the Chords, Bass is the 'Glue' and that's why Bass Players are Respected.
the high sound is close to 20,000 Hz but it could be as Low as 16,000 Hz even if a note is outside your range you might feel a natural harmonic of that note
A melody High or Low? once you hit the musical line and know the melodic topic you know what you are in, sometimes it is the lowest note but it could be other notes like 'G' or B flat' or F sharp minor or something you will know what range you are in but in a natural way.
Your high instruments will be your sparkle, the child voice, piccolo, the high Violin, Harp string, Splash, crash, Ride sounds in instruments, the Low instruments are like a Kick Drum or the Bass Guitar, once you catch range and you know a little of music the rest starts to fill in, as you get old your ears get damaged and you might never hear certain frequency ever again but you can adjust if you are aware of what you are missing
Online can people give you both 'Good' information and 'Bad' information?
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Thanks for the vid, had a nice listen and David Draiman, the man is a legendary showman, savage work ethics and great stage performer. If I have a few free days Might have a beer or chill out with old friends the weekend, talk about Tunes or Metal Vocalists or something, he was a big fan of classic Rock and Metal, a time when people knew how to sing, learned their skill and might have even auditioned for an Opera role, I feel we are a low point at times but then you see new talent a you know maybe some day the best... is yet...to comeTony Bennett. Now how would you make Tony Bennet, Frank Sinatra tunes Heavy and Rockin' is it the change of note in scale or baseline or 'beat'?
Anyways as negative as this sounds, I credit Simon n Garfunkle for writing and performing the original
When my brother showed that video to me, I was blown away. One of the most amazing live performances I'd ever heard.
The thing is though...
It's Autotuned. :(
And yes... I was EXTREMELY disappointed to find this out.
The difference between Autotune and Pitch Shifting is that Pitch Shifting is a manual process. Almost any studio album you've ever heard that came out in your lifetime had this done to one degree or another unless it was an indie project that didn't have the budget back when it was really expensive, or the artist was given a good enough amount of freedom in their contracts to release albums without using it. But for most, even if it wasn't done on the vocals, it was almost certainly done to the instruments.
Autotune has allowed for performers to actually sing pitch perfect on stage though. The better they are, and David Draiman is an excellent vocalist, the less work needs to be done and the less "robotic" like Believe it needs to sound. It's practically imperceptible for most of our untrained ears.
When the vocals from the Conan live performance are isolated and run through a pitch visualization software, you can see that all of his notes are "stuck" to the lines of the notes. Unless for some reason they're avoiding it purposefully, studios put all the songs at 440hz so the notes all come out the exact same and then the software takes the voice it's being fed and can immediately snap the vocalists voice to these lines.
But you were mostly right when you said that "Somebody that I Used To Know" wasn't Autotuned though. He had the dual and even sometimes triple tracks on the audio bits, but when his vocals are isolated and run through the pitch software, the notes he was singing were not sticking to the lines. Not only that, but they stepped it down from 440hz to 436hz for the whole song, so he was singing just a almost undetectable amount flat during the whole song. The Bass instruments also played this stepped down to 436hz and still a bit flat at times (naturally, and not pitch shifted), but the other instruments actually were slightly above 440hz, giving the instrumental in "Somebody That I Used To Know" a really different feel to it. His pitch was sung in the middle of the two. The whole effect made that song super popular and memorable. I've always loved it since the first time I heard it, and I've heard folks of all ages and backgrounds say things like "man I love this song" when they hear it.
But Kimbra DID have some autotune going on with her vocals. Just some of them though. You can see that parts of her lyrics snapped right to the grid, while others were allowed to roam. The guy who did all of this analysis said this was brilliant because it was used to tell the story of the song. This was all in the mind of Gotye (and/or the character he was playing), and Kimbra wasn't even there to say her side of the story that we're seeing her tell. So when Kimbra is singing her lyrics there was some slight Autotune used with them to make her voice come off as somewhat robotic in contrast to his lyrics not usin
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow, I had a hard time telling. I don't usually listen to music. Better try the vocals only.
Super hard, ain't it?
Even with just the vocals I couldn't tell.
But after watching those videos that I posted in my previous post, I at least know a bit about what to look out for. I still can't tell that the live performance of Sound of Silence is Autotuned just by listening to that video, but when he strips away the audio and shows you on the graph, at one point he shows where the words "By the flash of a neon light" are sung, and boy... you can tell that it was not natural when all the other audio is stripped away. But put all those instruments back into it and I can't tell again even though I know it's there.
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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
I'll tell you a secret of sorts I don't really engineer any hit tracks and I'm not an expert on any instrument but sometimes kind of play most instruments abnd at times I might even be respected as a music or audio engineer, I listened but started late
No kidding dude? Awesome.
And here I am talking like I'm some sort of know-it-all about this after watching 3 videos to a guy who knows what he's talking about.
So I suppose now I should ask you if you agree with his assessment of those two songs, rather than tell you what he said was fact.
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I think you are of the age to know Eddie Vedder, real Alt-rock vocals
I love Eddie Vedder. He's one of my favorite artists of all time.
I didn't care for "Jeremy" when it first came out, which was the song that put Pearl Jam on the map, but the first time I heard both "Elderly Woman Behind a Counter" and "Yellow Ledbetter" and "Black" I was a superfan. Ledbetter remains one of, if not my favorite song to this day. And I still don't even have a clue what it was about outside of internet theories about it.
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There must be training in here
Yeah. That's a jam for sure.
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Rocking and Grooving
'Prince' a genius of our times
Anybody who says they didn't like Prince is lying. Even my 72 year old man who stopped liking most new music back in the mid 70s was a fan of Prince.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Ledbetter remains one of, if not my favorite song to this day. And I still don't even have a clue what it was about outside of internet theories about it.
Comment section at YouTube remains entertaining...
"Put it on in the car and hear everyone sing different lyrics"
"When Eddie said: "Onabide, onweser onaweie, Ene co manase nanaho anase nenacol auregue" I really felt that, bro"
So true.Here's an interesting bit of trivia from the comments section though, assuming it's true...
“Eddie Vedder admits that he changes the lyrics and meaning of the song when he performs it, but he wrote the song with one story in mind, which he told at a concert in Newark, New Jersey on August 7, 2008. He asked if anyone had any questions, and a fellow asked what the lyrics to "Yellow Ledbetter" were. Instead of going word for word, Eddie simply told the story of the song.
The song was written during the first gulf war, when "Papa Bush" was President, as Eddie calls him. The story is about a young Grunger kid, all dressed up in his flannels with the long greasy hair. His brother goes off to fight in the war and gets killed. He gets a letter that comes in one of those yellow army envelopes and learns of his brother's death. So, all upset, he decides to go out and walk it off. On his walk he passes by a neat, middle-aged or elderly couple sitting on their front porch having some tea, and he sees that they have an American flag out. He gives a wave, because he feels like he relates: "The flag, my brother, you know..." But they don't know, of course. They don't know what's underneath the grunge and the long hair. All they see are the outward appearances, and they don't wave back.
The song has changed its meaning over time and Eddie changes the words to suit whatever is on his mind.”
I really like that last part.
To me the song was raw emotion and the words he had in mind never mattered in mine. This song has meant probably as many different things to me in my own lifetime as it's meant to Eddie himself.
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Thanks for the vid
Very disappointing Disturbed's vocalist David Draiman used Auto-Tune in that Live performance, respect to the 'Wings of Pegasus' social video channel for pointing it out and showing the automatically pitched computer voice element. It's subtle enough as a 'trick' so you could easily miss it and as a vocalist he is much better than this and does not need to be auto tuned.
'Gotye' was difficult to hear if it was or not, lots of layers happening in the song, the social vid channel 'Wings of Pegasus' breaks it down very well.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
And here I am talking like I'm some sort of know-it-all about this after watching 3 videos to a guy who knows what he's talking about.
The guy is a far better Audio Engineer than me, he's probably a far better Guitar player and also because I don't play much however I know a little maybe can jam out a song with others, if need be I can make beats or harmonic loops on a computer. Maybe I could find my way around a mix console an old analogue mixing desk easy or use a digital 'GarageBand' or some sort of MIDI editor or computer workstation stuff and I understand a lot of musical terms or the 'language' of music so when I listen to something maybe my ear is maybe a little better than others. Some other people might miss something I hear and I would not be coming from a place of total ignorance, unfortunately with music sometimes the more you learn the more you 'dislike' after learning to hear something out or wrong or off-key you sometimes have to let go and just 'chill'. I'm no expert at all but I am not in a position of 'inexperience' or ignorance but this guy will tech you a lot more about spotting Auto-Tuned vocals than I can.
Terrible to hear Disturbed' is using Auto-Tune on Live Performance, its difficult hear or to sport, much of the performance is NOT Auto-Tune and I admit maybe I could have missed it when it came in but once you start to know that 'Cher' pitch correction sound its difficult not to hear it.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
There's one song in particular that I've always wanted to play that I'm probably better at now than I ever was back then. Who knows if I'll maintain my interest though.
Never too late to play and lessons and information are online for free, its all out there on the internet
There something about age that maybe make you better at going at your own speed, while maybe a young kid, you put the effort in but maybe tries the kid starts on the wrong foot starting with a mistake with bad technique, trying too hard but without the 'wisdom'.
Way too much info out there for it not to be interesting
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, my guess is autotuned. It sounds kinda synthetic.
It was very difficult to tell in the first video, I could hear it as processed by fx, reverb and layered but that does not mean 'Auto-Tune'
Some people can almost picture a 'Room' putting people inside a Tunnel or Church, they get so skilled with effects they don't even need to be 'musicians' but can be audio technicians working doing effects for a tv show
Two vids on 'Reverb' with Mykola MrHardGuitar and Stella WavesAudio
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When you hear a vocal on the radio it can be difficult to know what is happening because there is so much going on in the audio production.
You can put delay or reverb or some kind of canyon echo on the human voice and even layer these voices but that does not mean 'Auto-Tuned'
some might hear a processed sound a think Auto-Tune but 'Auto-Tune' itself has a unique sound, I call it the 'Cher' auto tune effect
It will get more difficult to know what they are doing to these sounds.
We are at the sta
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