***** Sound of Freedom

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, September 12, 2023 6:50 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Release dates for Germany (9 Nov) and France (14 Nov).
France is reporting this is a Fiction Film about Qanon.

Mexico Libtards were trying to convince folk that SoF would not do well, because "pay-it-forward won't work here"

Film's producer announced he is running for president of Mexico. I fear he will be quickly assassinated.
But think about if he and Trump are President at the same time.

I wonder if Trump convinced him to run, when Trump held that Private Screening at his Club in Jersey.

Today, TN updates UK, Australia, NZ. Also started moving around things, placed North America into the list.

BOM added El Salvador - but without details. Still no Australia.
You're not going to mention the $26.9 Million that Bruce is reporting SoF now has overseas?

Did you not see that or my previous post? Or are you just tempering your expectations that this was a math mistake on Bruce's part?
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That page is a mess right now, just like when I am building a post or table, and are interrupted. I see the figures do not add up, and are missing about $20M, but I defer comment until I can see what he is trying to show.
For him to move the North America figures into the international page is a huge change for his site - maybe SoF caused him to change? I assume it is a massive undertaking for him to do. Likely not done in minutes.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, September 12, 2023 6:54 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

6ix, you are being dishonest by including the marketing budget,

I'm not including the marketing budget. I never include the marketing budget for any movie before applying the 2.0x and 2.5x Rule of Thumb to the movies.

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5 years after the Production Budget was completed, as part of the Production Budget of this film.

Again, that's not what I'm doing. Part of PRODUCING a movie is DISTRIBUTING the movie. It makes no difference if it's 1 year, 5 years or 100 years after the movie was filmed and edited. If Angel Studios needed $500k in 2023 to secure distributing rights, and it raised that money on a crowdfunding platform to do so, that is part of the Production Budget and not part of the Marketing Budget.

As I stated before, if Angel Studios comes out and shows that they paid that money back plus some, as I've seen before you stated this event took place, then the Production Budget was actually less than the original $14 Million that it cost. I will simply need irrefutable proof of these events taking place.

Perhaps your google-fu is failing?
Try this, gobs of results to choose from:
https://ca.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrihAQDsP9kBWMH3S3rFAx.;_ylc=
X1MDMjExNDcyMTAwMwRfcgMyBGZyA3lmcC10BGZyMgNzYi10b3AEZ3ByaWQDRjFvOWZIb2VRT0dyUUoxdmVHVzl5QQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDMwRvcmlnaW4DY2Euc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAzAEcXN0cmwDMzYEcXVlcnkDc291bmQlMjBvZiUyMGZyZWVkb20lMjBpbnZlc3RvcnMlMjBwYWlkJTIwYmFjawR0X3N0bXADMTY5NDQ3OTAyMg--?p=sound+of+freedom+investors+paid+back&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t&fp=1
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After I read the Budget was $20M, at the beginning of this thread, YOU stated that it was $14M. Where did you get his info? Did you make it up? Did you dream it?

I told you that I don't remember where I got it from. I did not make it up, but aside from a few Christian blogs now I don't see this information anywhere.

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You are displaying your gullibility by equating your Mandela Effect as your gullibility, and that is weak tea.

I told you that I don't believe in the Mandela Effect. I simply can't find any source that I consider would be unbiased and legitimate that states the budget was only $14 Million today when at the beginning of this thread I had found such an article that I felt met that criteria. My mistake was not citing the reference at the time and/or archiving an article of the statement.

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Mandela Effect is where everybody remembers that, when Trump had more citizens voting for him than any other person in history, even more people cast ballots for Obiden. Only idiots believe that actually happened, yet the majority of Americans following Fake News know that this happened.
Mandela Effect merely describes Libtards.

I know what the Mandela Effect is, and I don't believe it for a second.

The inability to read and comprehend what somebody said is also something that Libtards do.

You're not a closeted Libtard yourself, are you JSF?

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 12, 2023 6:59 AM

Here's my reply to your previous two posts. I turned my double-post on the last page into this, but it was right at the end of the page and you'd since posted twice. I wanted to make sure you see it:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
My *&#$%^@!*&;@! handheld device keeps deleting things,including the article I wanted to link.

Here's another one:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12307679/Its-peoples-movie-So
und-Freedom-producer-hails-success-14m-budget-film-moves-second-place-box-office-Mission-Impossible-having-grossed-85m.html
Producer states it is a $14M film. But, of course, how would HE know anything?

This, believe it or not, may have been the article that I saw way back when I put $14 Million as the budget.

However, now with the Crowdfunding for Distribution purpose (which I've already explained is part of the Production Budget and not the Marketing Budget), and with every other legitimate website in the world saying $14.5 Million was the budget, I will need actual proof of the events that took place and this additional money that was crowdfunded was returned if I'm going to lower the budget back to $14 Million. Not just some statement that isn't even a quote in a single article.

In the end, this could be better for SoF's chances of taking and maintaining the number one spot for 2023 if it leads to actual reciepts that people were paid a dividend off of this crowdfunding and the budget actually shrinks.

Meanwhile... If those International numbers that Bruce posted today are legit and don't get removed, it might be moot. If today's additions are due to 1st week BO numbers for the 18 Latin American countries Angel Studios said it was #1 in this weekend, the 2nd week is going to be really high as well. If it follows trends and makes even half as much in its second week in those countries, it beats M3GAN by next Sunday without taking into account any takes from other theaters we already have tracking for.

And with Talk To Me finally slowing down, it might not have to make much more than 1,508% of its budget to maintain first in the end.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, September 12, 2023 8:22 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Perhaps your google-fu is failing?
Try this, gobs of results to choose from:

I don't think it's my Google-Fu. I think Google is up to its usual Left-Wing biased shenanigans.

So now I've read all three of these articles:

https://deadline.com/2023/08/sound-of-freedom-investors-angel-studios-
box-office-1235520610/

https://www.thewrap.com/sound-of-freedom-pay-back-crowdfund-investors-
20-percent-profit/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/sound-of-freedom-120-return-in
vestors-box-office-success

So this IS regarding marketing and "Print & Advertising" expenditures. This is very different from the story I heard that they raised $500k for acquiring distribution, which would fall under Production Budget.

This is still no proof that the budget of the movie itself was $14 Million. I need an actual quote from somebody at the studio saying specifically that it was budgeted at or under $14 Million if I'm going to make that claim.

However, what this DOES do, if there is a statement saying that this was the ONLY money required for Marketing purposes is actually make the Marketing Budget for Sound of Freedom the 20% return on 5 Million (or 1 Million dollars), which means that the only money that it needed to make was the production budget +1 Million and theater takes.

I wonder how that would calculate here?

That RoT of 2.0x or 2.5x applies to big budget movies and I don't think is an accurate model for low-budget movies.

Hear me out...

The Rule of Thumb, regardless of how much it actually is now in 2023, is to factor in not just the Marketing Budget of a movie, but how much a theater makes for every ticket sold. Since Marketing budgets are almost unanimously nebulous as well as the theater takes being next to impossible to figure out due to certain studios getting better deals than others and international showings making it even more complex, this is little more than a general rule to go by vs. the reported production budget.

But what happens when the production budget was next to nothing?

Well... to be sure, the same studio isn't going to spend much at all on marketing the movie and they're going to hope that good word of mouth promotes the film (and in the case of M3GAN, Sound of Freedom and Talk To Me they become viral sensations that didn't require much marketing).

But the theater take on movies like Sound of Freedom, M3GAN and Talk To Me with their micro-budgets is going to be a lot higher of a percentage of the production budgets than Disney movies with their insane $200 Million plus budgets as well.

I wonder how much SoF, M3GAN and Talk To Me actually make for the studios once the theater's takes are taken into account. The theaters aren't going to show these movies for free or show them at a loss just because the budgets to make them were small.

I've never considered this problem with low-budget movies before. I don't think that most folk who ever talk about and use the Rule of Thumb ever use it for small budget movies as we've been doing here. They're always talking about big budget flops put out by the major players.

I did consider it with HIGH budget movies that do extremely well though. I think that Barbie, Super Mario Bros and Oppenheimer actually grossed quite a bit less for the Studios than the 2.5x Rule of Thumb would indicate just because of the sheer number of tickets that were sold to get them that high. That wasn't just great business for the studios, but it was great business for the movie theaters too.

I think the best course of action is to just apply the Rule of Thumb(s) evenly across all movies until more information is available to us for the industry as a whole, regardless of if we have additional info for a specific movie.

That's what I'm doing with Barbie, despite the fact we know full well it had a Marketing budget of $5 Million more than the Production Budget and it woul

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 13, 2023 6:08 AM

I had intended to point out yesterday that it was the 70th day of release.
And still in wide release.
And I expected that it would surpass $200K over the weekend.
And only a few days ago SoF ranked 10th for $ per theater. The higher 12 were all newer releases.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 13, 2023 6:09 AM

Monday's Numbers:

1. M3GAN - 1,508% [FINAL]
2. Sound of Freedom - 1,455% (+7%)
3. Talk to Me - 1,400% (+0)
4. Super Mario Bros - 1,360% (+0%)
5. Insidious: The Red Door - 1,163% [FINAL]

SoF needs 54% to beat M3GAN. (About $8 Million)
SoF is 55% above Talk To Me.
SoF is 95% above Super Mario Bros.

It appears that those International numbers posted on the-numbers yesterday were correct.

There is now a "Rest of World" entry showing $18,441,127 properly, and there were more international numbers posted since yesterday to raise the international total to $27,592,574.

That's why it went up since yesterday. It only made $45,021 in the US on Monday.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 13, 2023 6:13 AM

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This is still no proof that the budget of the movie itself was $14 Million. I need an actual quote from somebody at the studio saying specifically that it was budgeted at or under $14 Million if I'm going to make that claim.

Angel Studios was not involved until spring of 2023.

The producer had created his very own studio decades ago, so that he could create "films of impact" like this one.
He is the Producer of Sound of Freedom.
He clearly has said, numerous times, that the production Budget was $14M - but you say that is not good enough. We should prolly ask the overlords of google Libtards for guidance on what we should think.
He IS the studio.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 13, 2023 6:22 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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This is still no proof that the budget of the movie itself was $14 Million. I need an actual quote from somebody at the studio saying specifically that it was budgeted at or under $14 Million if I'm going to make that claim.

Angel Studios was not involved until spring of 2023.

The producer had created his very own studio decades ago, so that he could create "films of impact" like this one.
He is the Producer of Sound of Freedom.
He clearly has said, numerous times, that the production Budget was $14M - but you say that is not good enough. We should prolly ask the overlords of google Libtards for guidance on what we should think.
He IS the studio.

Oh yeah?

Show me ONE citation.

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, September 13, 2023 6:28 AM

Updating:

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I think the green numbers at The Numbers is prelim or estimated figures, and black are the real figures.
They just turned black for the weekend.
Sunday SoF jumped up to highest take per screen, beating Indy5 and Red Door. It was estimated behind Red Door.

Also, every single day since release, SoF has more $ per screen that Indy5.
Even when it added more than 13% more theaters for the weekend.

let's see...
For the days when working folk are not working...

Date | DBO Rnk /Scrn Rnk
04Jul 14.24 1 $5,407 1
08Jul 7.176 3 $2,431 2
09Jul 7.295 3 $2,471 1
15Jul 10.22 2 $3,132 2
16Jul 9.563 2 $2,929 2
22Jul 7,434 4 $2,263 3
23Jul 6,684 3 $2,035 3
29Jul 4.813 4 $1,411 4
30Jul 4.233 4 $1,241 4
5 Aug 2.870 6 $ 0965 7
6 Aug 2.487 6 $ 0836 6
12Aug 1.965 8 $ 0701 9
13Aug 1.551 7 $ 0554 9
19Aug 1.040 10 $ 693 8
20Aug 0.859 09 $ 399 9
26Aug 0.600 13 $ 375 15
27Aug 0.550 14 $ 344 15
2 Sep 0.352 16 $ 321 14
3 Sep 0.371 16 $ 337 14
4 Sep 0.337 16 $ 307 13
9 Sep 0.175 17 $ 240 16
10Sep 0.131 17 $ 180 15

other days...
05Jul 4.047 2 $1,537 1
06Jul 3.697 3 $1,404 2
07Jul 5.208 3 $1,764 2
10Jul 4.000 1 $1,355 1
11Jul 3.829 1 $1,297 1
12Jul 4.424 2 $1,499 2
13Jul 4.576 2 $1,550 2
14Jul 7.491 2 $2,294 2
17Jul 4.954 2 $1,518 1
18Jul 5.449 2 $1,669 2
19Jul 4.722 2 $1,446 1
20Jul 3.702 1 $1,134 1
21Jul 5.706 3 $1,737 3
24Jul 3.168 3 $ 0965 3
25Jul 3.391 3 $1,032 3
26Jul 3.001 3 $ 0914 3
27Jul 2.568 3 $ 0782 3
28Jul 3.766 5 $1,104 5
31Jul 2.001 4 $ 0587 4
1 Aug 2.061 4 $ 0604 4
2 Aug 1.561 5 $ 0458 6
3 Aug 1.440 5 $ 0442 7
4 Aug 2.212 6 $ 0744 6
7 Aug 1.077 6 $ 0362 7
8 Aug 1.170 6 $ 0393 8
9 Aug 0.900 8 $ 0303 7
10Aug 0.822 7 $ 0276 9
11Aug 1.351 8 $ 0482 9
14Aug 0.590 8 $ 0211 9
15Aug 0.732 9 $ 0261 9
16Aug 0.562 7 $ 0201 8
17Aug 0.438 7 $ 0156 8
18Aug 0.700 11 $ 326 10
21Aug 0.311 10 $ 145 9
22Aug 0.390 10 $ 181 10
23Aug 0.314 09 $ 146 9
24Aug 0.246 10 $ 114 10
25Aug 0.401 15 $ 250 15
28Aug 0.157 15 $0 99 15
29Aug 0.180 16 $ 113 16
30Aug 0.158 13 $0 99 14
31Aug 0.119 13 $0 75 14
1 Sep 0.210 16 $ 191 13
5 Sep 0.103 16 $0 94 13
6 Sep 0.090 14 $0 82 10
7 Sep 0.060 16 $0 55 13
8 Sep 0.100 17 $ 138 15
11Sep 0.045 16 $0 62 12

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If trends continue, I expect SoF to gain another 50% this week (end 20 Aug), and another 30% the next week (end 27 Aug), making it about 1315%.
Using Oppy as a guide, 1/5 of the International Box Office comes from UK, Australia, Mexico. i expect $18M from these 3, which would make it about 1445% when these are tallied. Australia starts trickling in after 24 Aug, and UK/Mexico after 1 Sep.

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Bruce's predictions for the weekend do not show SoF in the Top Ten.
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Today is the 57th day of release for SoF. 8 weeks.
No figures yet posted for Monday night SoF.
Sunday my local theater did not have any showings of SoF, but did for Fri, Sat, and the rest of this week. Theater counts did not change as listed.

I have "targets" that I expect from International, due to various factors. These are a reminder for me. They are likely to be wrong.

$14 M for UK
$7 M for Mexico, Australia, Brazil
$5 M for Peru
$3 M from NZ, Colombia, Argentina

These add up to $49 M. If they make half of that, plus another $4M from the rest of the world, then that would be $29M, and SoF would pass by Megan's 1505%.

I am not sure about some releases. Which countries are English speaking? I'll conjure that Spanish speaking countries will get a dubbed version of the film. Some countries with other languages, I don't know if they are being dubbed, or just released as "Foreign Language" film, like in art houses.

Updates from Bruce for International, plus BOM International are incomplete, missing, or conflict.

For 6 Sept, SoF is back in the Top Ten for $ per theater.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 13, 2023 8:39 AM

BTW... I don't know if you saw this while posting your bullshit.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Monday's Numbers:

1. M3GAN - 1,508% [FINAL]
2. Sound of Freedom - 1,455% (+7%)
3. Talk to Me - 1,400% (+0)
4. Super Mario Bros - 1,360% (+0%)
5. Insidious: The Red Door - 1,163% [FINAL]

SoF needs 54% to beat M3GAN. (About $8 Million)
SoF is 55% above Talk To Me.
SoF is 95% above Super Mario Bros.

It appears that those International numbers posted on the-numbers yesterday were correct.

There is now a "Rest of World" entry showing $18,441,127 properly, and there were more international numbers posted since yesterday to raise the international total to $27,592,574.

That's why it went up since yesterday. It only made $45,021 in the US on Monday.

$8 Million is nothing now.

If Talk To Me is finally going to slow down, Sound of Freedom shouldn't even have a problem taking 1st place in this tracking even with the $14.5 Million Production Budget.

Most of that $17 Million it got the other night would have been from those Latin American countries that hadn't already been given initial numbers. I'd already tracked update for Australia and the UK as well as the Croatia numbers. The only thing that we know wasn't counted was the 3rd update for Mexico (there were two at the-numbers, but BOM has Mexico at almost $7.5 Million now). It's unclear if that $17 Million included this $3+ Million unreported on Mexico or not.

Even if it does include Mexico's unreported gross, That's still about $13.5 Million in new money, plus the $1 or so Million new in the last 24 hours. At a 50% drop (which is very conservative given most of those original numbers were likely only for the 1st weekend and the updates will be for a full 7 days), that's another $7-8 Million virtually guaranteed just in their 2nd weeks.

Sound of Freedom is now a $230 Million movie. That's the absolute bottom going forward. This will put it up close to 1,600% with the $14.5 Million budget figure. If it somehow manages $240 Million, that would be over 1650%.

UPDATE: Wow. Right after I posted this the Mexico numbers were updated at the-numbers to $7,535,143.

So yeah... all that new money did include what he hadn't added to Mexico's numbers. "Rest of World" now reads $14,882,127.

Still though... Mexico's probably good for at least another $1.5 Million next week and $750k the following week, so that's going to be around $14 to 15 Million just from Mexico and the 17 other Latin American countries in the next two weeks. Even more than that if it doesn't drop off 50% each week.

Talk To Me is going to get a bump soon-ish. We still don't have Monday's numbers for it. It needs $232k for a bump. It's not likely to get that on Monday, but it could on Tuesday and certainly does by Wednesday. TTM also tends to get international updates pretty sporadically during the week instead of on Sunday/Monday like most other flicks.

The percentages for both should be pretty close to tied again by the weekend with a slight edge given to SoF, but I think TTM is pretty much running out of gas even internationally. The only thing it's got going for it now is the 3x plus percentage bumps when it gets them.

I find it very hard to believe it's going to pull in another $4 to $5 Million over the next two weeks. It's pulled in $10 Million since August 28th, and about $7 Million of that was in the US, and the 18% drop it got last week was only due to Labor Day Weekend. (It dropped 51% this last weekend).

My guess is $1.5 Million Domestic this week (including the weekend that just passed), and $800k Domestic next week, with another $420k internationally this week and $225k internationally next week.

That's going to be just shy of $3 Million, with the $900k made in the US already accounted for so it will be subtracted from that. At most, Talk To Me gets about $2.5 to $3 Million mo

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