Meanwhile, back in Libya
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….Sig. First of all, you moron, Libyans aren't fighting Qaddafi, who's been dead for several years now, they're fighting each other..
They are still fighting Qaddafi loyalists who want back what they lost. The powers that stood behind Qaddafi. Because there is a power vacuum a power struggle between many is going on. This all started before we assisted anyone yet you still wish to blame us. You forget Qaddafi threatened to destroy an entire city of 80,000 leaving no one alive till we intervened. You always overlook facts that show you to be irrational.
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….Sig. It would be as if Britain deposed President George Washington, and then the colonies immediately started fighting with each other for control. If that was supposed to be an analogy, you failed epically.
You seem to think we fought the British and then lived happily ever after from coast to coast. You forget the French Indian wars and all the battles with Indians and Spaniards who occupied much of Americans west for many years. Before and after our fight with the Brits. That war started in 1775 and we did not have a constitution till almost the end of 1787. Then there is the Civil War, another power struggle with confusing flags being hung on the tops of buildings. When we defeated the British there were thirteen Colonies all on the east coast. No constitution or bill of rights and many different philosophies on how we should proceed. No Sig, I think pointing to all the troubles we had in establishing our country is a very good analogy of how difficult building a nation is.
What we are witnessing now are the people indigenous to the region continuing the struggle of developing their nations because they had no say for a very long time. Religion and a few ruled them all and in the interim (for good or bad) because of Oil we needed to keep a working relationship with those few. Making all the right decisions can only be accomplished in hindsight, and really not even then.
I wonder if there isn’t a connection in sprit to what is happening in the Ukraine and our own Alamo, with the Ukrainians holding off the Russians while waiting for the Europeans to get there shit together and show up to the fight? Allowing them once and for all to shed the yoke of Russia and join the European colonies? Are they showing the same sprite displayed when Mexico broke from Spain?
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….Sig. SOME Libyans wanted to get rid of Qaddafi and install a western-style democracy, and some wanted to build a Muslim state under Sharia law, and more than a few fighters were from foreign countries. We should pick our friends more carefully.
Yes it’s messy Sig.
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…Sig. So, that's our strategy, eh? Destroy nations, and then HOPE that sooner or later... maybe decades later... reason and sanity take over?
Sig, get back to reality, the Libyans started this themselves in the hopes of developing a government better than a dictatorship. This is what shows you to be nuts. You can’t realize that.
They rest of your post is two subjective to respond to. It is about flags flying, who said what and all the insanity taking place within Libya, along with more nonsense as to why this is all our fault.
There is one more thing that needs mentioning. I only see you post in threads that attack America and not in any that may point to something positive we did or are doing. If you love this country as you claim, you would not miss an opportunity to sing its phrases with its accomplishments as well as your disappointments when you perceive it strays from the purpose of good. In any court of law it would be easy to show you as biased against this country and therefore ineligible to sit in judgment.
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SERIOUSLY, THUGR?
I think it's time YOU got back to reality, assuming you were ever there to begin with!
Quote:A prosperous, secular nation?
Sig. First of all, you moron, Libyans aren't fighting Qaddafi, who's been dead for several years now, they're fighting each other.-sig
They are still fighting Qaddafi loyalists who want back what they lost.
Quote:A power struggle between (for the most part) jihadists on one side and parts of the former Libyan army on the other.
The powers that stood behind Qaddafi. Because there is a power vacuum a power struggle between many is going on. This all started before we assisted anyone yet you still wish to blame us.
So, who would we like to see win?
Jihadists who're trying to impose Sharia law (a form of religious tyranny) and who've created poverty everywhere they went?
Secularists who're had a prosperous, secular tyranny?
WOW, it's a little tough to decide, isn't it!
Quote:Actually, that is something I remember very well, because that heartbreaking missive, about tanks crushing civilians and people being shot en masse was entirely made up, and Human Rights Watch (with close ties to the State Department) had a hand in the fabrication. I'll see if I can find those articles (with pictures of the ACTUAL city the day of the supposed fighting) along with eyewitness accounts, and the reactions of residents who were totally nonplussed at the description of that (non)event.
You forget Qaddafi threatened to destroy an entire city of 80,000 leaving no one alive till we intervened. You always overlook facts that show you to be irrational
ANOTHER made-up allegation was that Qaddafi told his soldiers to rape all women, and gave them Viagra to help with the job. That was actually investigated by an international group, and no evidence was found to support the allegations.
Quote:First of all, we had many wars of expansion, in which we killed everyone who stood in our way. HARDLY an event that we want in the process of "nation building" ... unless you support genocide.
It would be as if Britain deposed President George Washington, and then the colonies immediately started fighting with each other for control. If that was supposed to be an analogy, you failed epically-Sig
You seem to think we fought the British and then lived happily ever after from coast to coast. You forget the French Indian wars and all the battles with Indians and Spaniards who occupied much of Americans west for many years. Before and after our fight with the Brits. That war started in 1775 and we did not have a constitution till almost the end of 1787. Then there is the Civil War, another power struggle with confusing flags being hung on the tops of buildings. When we defeated the British there were thirteen Colonies all on the east coast. No constitution or bill of rights and many different philosophies on how we should proceed. No Sig, I think pointing to all the troubles we had in establishing our country is a very good analogy of how difficult building a nation is.
Do you? Support genocide as part of "nation building?
Quote:It depends on what your goals are. If you're willing to let oil trample over ethics, then- yes, it becomes very cloudy, because then you have to decide how much evil you're willing to support and how much it will bite you later.
What we are witnessing now are the people indigenous to the region continuing the struggle of developing their nations because they had no say for a very long time. Religion and a few ruled them all and in the interim (for good or bad) because of Oil we needed to keep a working relationship with those few. Making all the right decisions can only be accomplished in hindsight, and really not even then.
However, if you're REALLY about promoting self-determination, development, and freedom, there are so many other ways to go about it other than a bombing campaign.
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Newsweek had an article online, With ISIS on the Brink of Defeat, What happens in Libya?
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U.N. Libya mission warns of violence after push for new interim government
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fter-push-new-interim-govt-2023-07-27/
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Renewed Violence in Libya Reflects Power of Militias
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ence-clashes.html
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SERIOUSLY, THUGR?
I think it's time YOU got back to reality, assuming you were ever there to begin with!Quote:A prosperous, secular nation?
Sig. First of all, you moron, Libyans aren't fighting Qaddafi, who's been dead for several years now, they're fighting each other.-sig
They are still fighting Qaddafi loyalists who want back what they lost.Quote:A power struggle between (for the most part) jihadists on one side and parts of the former Libyan army on the other.
The powers that stood behind Qaddafi. Because there is a power vacuum a power struggle between many is going on. This all started before we assisted anyone yet you still wish to blame us.
So, who would we like to see win?
Jihadists who're trying to impose Sharia law (a form of religious tyranny) and who've created poverty everywhere they went?
Secularists who're had a prosperous, secular tyranny?
WOW, it's a little tough to decide, isn't it!Quote:Actually, that is something I remember very well, because that heartbreaking missive, about tanks crushing civilians and people being shot en masse was entirely made up, and Human Rights Watch (with close ties to the State Department) had a hand in the fabrication. I'll see if I can find those articles (with pictures of the ACTUAL city the day of the supposed fighting) along with eyewitness accounts, and the reactions of residents who were totally nonplussed at the description of that (non)event.
You forget Qaddafi threatened to destroy an entire city of 80,000 leaving no one alive till we intervened. You always overlook facts that show you to be irrational
ANOTHER made-up allegation was that Qaddafi told his soldiers to rape all women, and gave them Viagra to help with the job. That was actually investigated by an international group, and no evidence was found to support the allegations.Quote:First of all, we had many wars of expansion, in which we killed everyone who stood in our way. HARDLY an event that we want in the process of "nation building" ... unless you support genocide.
It would be as if Britain deposed President George Washington, and then the colonies immediately started fighting with each other for control. If that was supposed to be an analogy, you failed epically-Sig
You seem to think we fought the British and then lived happily ever after from coast to coast. You forget the French Indian wars and all the battles with Indians and Spaniards who occupied much of Americans west for many years. Before and after our fight with the Brits. That war started in 1775 and we did not have a constitution till almost the end of 1787. Then there is the Civil War, another power struggle with confusing flags being hung on the tops of buildings. When we defeated the British there were thirteen Colonies all on the east coast. No constitution or bill of rights and many different philosophies on how we should proceed. No Sig, I think pointing to all the troubles we had in establishing our country is a very good analogy of how difficult building a nation is.
Do you? Support genocide as part of "nation building?Quote:It depends on what your goals are. If you're willing to let oil trample over ethics, then- yes, it becomes very cloudy, because then you have to decide how much evil you're willing to support and how much it will bite you later.
What we are witnessing now are the people indigenous to the region continuing the struggle of developing their nations because they had no say for a very long time. Religion and a few ruled them all and in the interim (for good or bad) because of Oil we needed to keep a working relationship with those few. Making all the right decisions can only be accomplished in hindsight, and really not even then.
However, if you're REALLY about promoting self-determination, development, and freedom, there are so many other ways to go about it oNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
So, speaking of Libya... I see that militias are still fighting for control, trapping civilians in their homes and that Libya is still without a functioning government.
Wow, we sure done good, didn't we?
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