Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno SECOND, and THUGR, it's too bad the USA promised Ukraine entry into NATO, and pushed and bribed Ukraine into gearing up for an attack on Donbas.
It was all set-piece, an excuse to sanction Russia and then topple its already -weakened government with a big military push from Ukraine. If Russia had waited for the attack that was coming, Ukraine (and complicitly the USA and EU) would be the aggressor and most of us would be singing a different tune. Nevermind that Ukraine constantly shelled Donetsk and massed somewhere in the realm of 80,000-100,000 troops on the Donbas border and that Zelenskiy agitated for nukes!
Anyway, Russia ... beyond all neocon imagining... is winning, and will win, this war. And will probably have close to a million trained men in their army by mid-2024 in anticipation of an escalation that winds up with direct NATO involvement.
What is our administration going to DO?
Well, if they were planning on an ACTUAL war with Russia, they would have started recruiting more heavily a long time ago, geared up weapons manufacturing, and started pre-positioning materiel already. A credible conventional military response is already out of the question.
Of course, I can't assume that our administration even knows what a credible military response is, seeing as they seem to run on wishful thinking and Rambo movies, so maybe they think that "something" "somewhere" could happen?
But assuming that they're smart enough to realize that a conventional military response will fail and shouldn't be attempted, I imagine they would then try to solve their (neocon, DNC/GOP establisment) POLITICAL problem, which is "how do we extricate ourselves from this mess without looking like a LOSER?"
Supposedly there are some desultory talks happening between the Kremlin and CFR/thinktanistan, but apparently our side has no idea how serious Russia is about this: they think they can bullshit and promise their way into getting Russia to give up military gains. But since we reneged on every treaty, agreement , contract, or promise with the Russians (the latest being the "grain deal") what POSSIBLE rationale would the Russians have for entering yet another agreement, and a disadvantageous one at that, likely to be weaseled out of by the west??
So my guess is this administration, with neither a military nor a negotiated face-saving solution in sight, will promise yet more weapons to Kiev, to keep the war going thru October, and then throw the Ukrainians under the bus. Nevermind that by then a half-million Ukrainian men - or more -will have been killed.
That's assuming that the USA controls the pace of the war. Which it doesn't.
So the big question is, what is RUSSIA going to do?
Well, Russia has some actual goals, and they include de-militarizing, de-Nazifying, and neutralizing Ukraine. IMO all that is within reach.
But Russia has further aims, and that is to restructure Europe's security architecture. At a minimum, that would mean removing USA/NATO missile installations from Poland and Romania. But that would mean FORCING NATO to the table.
Hmmm... tricky calculation, getting the to negotiate without forcing the USA to push The Button. Needs more thought!
SECOND: You could not be more Russian if you tried, Signym.
Why, thank you!
In order to understand OUR options, one must understand the OPPONENT.
That was the neocon's big mistake: they believed their own bullshit ("Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country") which sounded awfully clever but was, as it turns out, delusional.
NEOCONS HAVE NO GOOD OPTIONS. Their options are:
lose on the battlefield,
lose in negotiations,
try to string this along until after Oct 2024 (using all kinds of narratives: "the next offensive is coming", "Ukraine will fight an insurgency war" or whatever narratives they string together that
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"I don't like you, so you're Russian."
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Quote:SECOND is thinking with his glands, again.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
"I don't like you, so you're Russian."
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How you do anything is how you do everything.
Anyway, this is a lot of guessing on my part. Since the MoD, Security Council, Foreign Ministry, and General Staff don't consult with me,
I'd be VERY curious to see if this holds up, even over the next year. I'll probably be dead in ten years, as (most likely) will SECOND, so neither of us will get to pick this part, but maybe someone else will.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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I see this topic keeps dropping in the ranks. I guess it's not popular anymore.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
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It never was.
1/3 of the posts on this topic are me saying that fuck Ukraine or nobody gives a shit about Ukraine.
More than half of them come from two deranged idiots parroting Legacy Media talking points.
Then there's your posts.
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Quote:The real problem is that Signym and 6ix are bullshitting. Neither of you writes truth or even tries passing off what is false as true, but all of what you write is bullshit. Both of you have diarrhea of the mouth -- free-flowing bullshit coming out of you.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
"I don't like you, so you're Russian."
Quote:You have written this many times before. The Ukrainians are fighting Russians today because in past invasions the Russians murdered 4 million Ukrainians. 6ix, it is too bad you can't understand why Ukrainians fight Russians, but the Ukrainians understand even if you can't.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
. . . while hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men die for your Democrat cult leaders.
Real Americans are finished with you and your kind.
Holodomor: https://education.holodomor.ca/teaching-materials/holodomor-denial-sil
ences/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Russian opposition media outlet Verstka suggested that the Russian Investigative Committee and its head, Alexander Bastrykin, are directly involved in the forced deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia and the forced placement of Ukrainian children into Russian military training programs.[9] Verstka reported that the Russian Investigative Committee “took patronage” over Ukrainian children living in children‘s homes throughout Russia, and sent its employees to 10 such homes with toys, clothes, and school supplies in order to coerce the children to enter the Russian cadet corps. Verstka reported that Bastrykin personally visited Ukrainian children in Russia and told them that Russian victory depend on the children and that the Russian Investigative Committee is there to support them. Verstka reported that the Investigative Committee previously advertised the cadet corps to Ukrainian children from Donbas and stated that 78 Ukrainian children entered educational institutions, including the cadet corps and academies affiliated with the Investigative Committee, between February 2022 and March 2023. Verstka reported that Bastrykin ordered the cadet corps in Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Volgograd to prepare to receive Ukrainian children from occupied Donbas as early as February 25, 2022. Verstka highlighted statements from Ukrainian children who said they felt compelled to participate in the Russian cadet corps due to the educational opportunity. The coercion of Ukrainian children, who are legally unable to consent to their deportations and participation in such military-patriotic re-education programs, is likely part of an ongoing Russian campaign to eradicate the Ukrainian national identity and militarize youth who have been forcibly deported to Russia.
China's increasing misalignment with Russia on any settlement to end the war in Ukraine was reportedly evident at the talks in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on August 5-6. The Financial Times reported that the Chinese representatives at the meeting were “constructive” and “keen to show that [China] is not Russia.”[10] The Financial Times quoted one European diplomat present at the talks as saying that the “mere presence of China shows Russia is more and more isolated.”[11] The Chinese delegation reportedly indicated its willingness to attend the next meeting of a similar format that will likely also exclude Russia.[12] A Russian insider source alleged that Russia has rejected China's 12-point peace plan for the war in Ukraine from February 2023 (which the Chinese delegation re-introduced during the talks in Saudi Arabia) and that some Chinese elites are secretly expressing their dissatisfaction with the actions of the Russian leadership regarding a peaceful settlement of the war in Ukraine.[13] These reports from the talks in Saudi Arabia and insider allegations, if true, align with ISW’s previous assessments that China is not fully aligned with Russia on the issue of Ukraine and that Russia and China’s relationship is not a “no limits partnership” as the Kremlin desires.[14]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-august-7-2023
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Speaking of diarrhea of the mouth...
Why izzit that your posts always look like walls of gibberish? That contradict each other?
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Quote:The Russians murdered Ukrainians by the millions yet the Russians deny they are murderers and deny that the surviving victims are fighting back to keep from being robbed of their land and being murdered when they resist. Signym won't believe any of that is true because Signym is confused. Nothing I write contradicts itself. All of it contradicts you, Signym. The model of how Signym works is that when Signym sees/reads/hears what contradicts Signym, Signym gets offended and then vomits out bullshit and bile. Signym, you are not unique in this respect because every single Trumptard I know (the people who defend/excuse/vote for Trump) are exactly the same, and because of that, they don't prosper in the US. They handle their relative failure compared to people who oppose them by blaming their opposition (Democrats for one example, but it could be a spouse or a lawyer beating them in court or a bank foreclosing on them) for the Trumptard's failures. Russia blames NATO, the EU, the UK, and the USA for its failure to prosper.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Speaking of diarrhea of the mouth...
Why izzit that your posts always look like walls of gibberish? That contradict each other?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Russia Making Cadets Out of Children Kidnapped from Ukraine
By Brendan Cole On 8/8/23
A top Moscow official and his colleagues were directly involved in forcibly deporting Ukrainian children, who were then placed in Russian military training programs, it has been reported.
The independent Russian-language news outlet Vertska said that Alexander Bastrykin, who heads the Russian Investigative Committee in charge of examining serious crimes, helped coerce children into Russia's cadet corps.
In March, the UN Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine said there was evidence of the illegal transfer of Ukrainian children to Russia and that the forced deportation to areas under Moscow's control was a war crime.
The Commission's report said that grants of Russian citizenship and placing children in foster families were aimed at setting up a framework "in which some of the children may end up remaining permanently" in Russia.
In March, the reported removal of Ukrainian children from Russian-occupied territory to Russia itself triggered the International Criminal Court to issue arrest warrants for Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russia's Presidential Commissioner for Children's Rights, Maria Lvova-Belova.
Bastrykin personally visited Ukrainian children in Russia and told them that his committee would support them and that they were needed for Moscow's victory.
More at https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-deportation-russia-kidnapped-cadets-1
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