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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Saturday, August 5, 2023 5:56 PM

Stalin was an evil man so let's punish Putin!

Troll.




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Saturday, August 5, 2023 7:38 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Stalin was an evil man so let's punish Putin!

Troll.


Evil? It is all about competently working toward achievable goals. It was very achievable for Russians to become wealthy compared to Europeans. Too bad, but it didn't happen. Russians are poor compared to Europeans because Russian leaders were incompetent. Russia won't be making up for lost time since Russia is in a war with Europe, again, because Putin is incompetent. The Ukrainians won't surrender because they remember the 4 million Ukrainians killed by Russians the last time Russia invaded and Europeans won't stop sending ammo to the Ukrainians because they, too, remember the last time Russia invaded Europe.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 6, 2023 5:43 PM

Anatoly Polkovnikov, a Ukrainian volunteer and the head of the Ukrainian Center for International Partnership NGO, told Newsweek that the Ukrainian cabinet's estimate of 35 years to completely demine Ukraine "looks realistic."

Expert estimates, Polkovnikov said, suggest "there are more than 1 million dangerous objects" spread over the affected area of Ukraine.

"Grenades and mines with trip wires are fairly standard," he said. "But we've started to see not just mines that have anti-lift devices, for example, either in-built or by design, but mines that have grenades placed under them, so when they're lifted and pulled the grenades go off.

"You've got anti-vehicle mines where, instead of a standard fuse that's designed to initiate under the weight of a vehicle, they're using an anti-personnel mine that a child can set off. You're seeing deliberate attempts to hinder clearance through such devices as well.

"With IEDs...we're seeing deliberate attempts to boobytrap everyday items, of buildings and villages where the Russians occupied. We saw this around Kyiv last year and in people who were too scared to go into their own homes. We saw it in Mykolaiv and Kharkiv when the Russians left, and I have no doubt we will continue to see such inhumane efforts in the future."

Newton said that during his recent visit to Mykolaiv—liberated in November 2022—there were "areas, on the one hand, where you've got very clearly defined lines, hundreds of anti-vehicle mines as far as the eye can see, either on or very near to the surface. And Kharkiv was quite similar in that respect; we found just over 6,500 anti-vehicle mines since April of this year. It's a staggering number."

"These mines on the surface are clearly defined and relatively straightforward to clear," he said. "Conversely, in those same areas, you've got areas where you've got tripwires, you've got anti-personnel mines, we're seeing PFM-1s—the so-called 'butterfly mines'—and you might have anti-vehicle mines thrown in there as well."

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-faces-decades-long-battle-unexploded-
russian-mines-1817527


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 6, 2023 8:53 PM

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html

Even CNN can't lie about this anymore.

Like I said from the beginning. Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine.

Get fucked, Democrats.

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Sunday, August 6, 2023 9:00 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html

Even CNN can't lie about this anymore.

Like I said from the beginning. Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine.

Get fucked, Democrats.

Polls indicated that Americans were opposed to entering WWII even while newspapers and radio covered Nazi Germany's Blitzkrieg, followed by the huge loss at Dunkirk, followed by the Battle of Britain, where the Nazis were burning down London. This opposition to stopping Hitler from conquering the world was centered in the states of Ohio and Indiana, where Trumptards have now taken over. 6ixStringJack, you and your ancestors are worthless assholes who lived the bitter and fruitless lives they deserved because they are cowards, crooks, drunks, and obese. Tell your retard 450-pound brother to eat as much as he wants so he can live the good life and you should smoke more cigarettes. Those warnings from Democrats that tobacco causes cancer and heart attack must be fake news just like FDR's warnings about Hitler taking over the world and Biden's warnings that Putin has the same goal.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, August 6, 2023 10:15 PM



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Monday, August 7, 2023 8:55 AM

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"Hundreds of thousands" of Russians are NOT dead. Most likely estimate is somewhere in the realm of 40,000-50,000.

However "hundreds of thousands" of Ukrainians ARE dead. Most likely estimate 250,000- 400,000 since Feb 2022. Their loss rate is catastrophic.

Western weapons are not suited for land wars with a near-peer. They're fragile and require far too much maintenance. For example, an M777 howitzer should only fire ten or twenty shells before requiring the "tube" to be changed bc it gets distorted and jams... and you don't want to be around when that thing explodes bc of a jammed shell.

The vaunted F-16's air intake is right under the nose of the plane, and doesn't have a "debris excluder". As a result, an F16 runway needs to be inspected before takeoff, a line of people literally walking within arm's reach of each other inspecting the runway surface for any pebble or bit of tire or clump of weed. Ukrainian runway would have to be completely rebuilt. Experts have called the F16 a "giant runway vacuum cleaner".

What I think is that RUSSIANS are testing...and improving... their weapons. IMHO that's why they use multiple missile types, artillery pieces, drones, bombs and helicopters in direct head-to-head comparisons. Their biggest advancement has been in drones, which they're now producing and using at prodigious rates, and their EW capabilities which they improve with every piece of captured western weaponry.

Americans love winners,and this isn't a winning war.



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Monday, August 7, 2023 9:17 AM

Yanno SECOND, and THUGR, it's too bad the USA promised Ukraine entry into NATO, and pushed and bribed Ukraine into gearing up for an attack on Donbas.

It was all set-piece, an excuse to sanction Russia and then topple its already -weakened government with a big military push from Ukraine. If Russia had waited for the attack that was coming, Ukraine (and complicitly the USA and EU) would be the aggressor and most of us would be singing a different tune. Nevermind that Ukraine constantly shelled Donetsk and massed somewhere in the realm of 80,000-100,000 troops on the Donbas border and that Zelenskiy agitated for nukes!

Anyway, Russia ... beyond all neocon imagining... is winning, and will win, this war. And will probably have close to a million trained men in their army by mid-2024 in anticipation of an escalation that winds up with direct NATO involvement.

What is our administration going to DO?

Well, if they were planning on an ACTUAL war with Russia, they would have started recruiting more heavily a long time ago, geared up weapons manufacturing, and started pre-positioning materiel already. A credible conventional military response is already out of the question.

Of course, I can't assume that our administration even knows what a credible military response is, seeing as they seem to run on wishful thinking and Rambo movies, so maybe they think that "something" "somewhere" could happen?

But assuming that they're smart enough to realize that a conventional military response will fail and shouldn't be attempted, I imagine they would then try to solve their (neocon, DNC/GOP establisment) POLITICAL problem, which is "how do we extricate ourselves from this mess without looking like a LOSER?"

Supposedly there are some desultory talks happening between the Kremlin and CFR/thinktanistan, but apparently our side has no idea how serious Russia is about this: they think they can bullshit and promise their way into getting Russia to give up military gains. But since we reneged on every treaty, agreement , contract, or promise with the Russians (the latest being the "grain deal") what POSSIBLE rationale would the Russians have for entering yet another agreement, and a disadvantageous one at that, likely to be weaseled out of by the west??

So my guess is this administration, with neither a military nor a negotiated face-saving solution in sight, will promise yet more weapons to Kiev, to keep the war going thru October, and then throw the Ukrainians under the bus. Nevermind that by then a half-million Ukrainian men - or more -will have been killed.

That's assuming that the USA controls the pace of the war. Which it doesn't.

So the big question is, what is RUSSIA going to do?

Well, Russia has some actual goals, and they include de-militarizing, de-Nazifying, and neutralizing Ukraine. IMO all that is within reach.

But Russia has further aims, and that is to restructure Europe's security architecture. At a minimum, that would mean removing USA/NATO missile installations from Poland and Romania. But that would mean FORCING NATO to the table.

Hmmm... tricky calculation, getting the to negotiate without forcing the USA to push The Button. Needs more thought!



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Monday, August 7, 2023 5:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno SECOND, and THUGR, it's too bad the USA promised Ukraine entry into NATO, and pushed and bribed Ukraine into gearing up for an attack on Donbas.

It was all set-piece, an excuse to sanction Russia and then topple its already -weakened government with a big military push from Ukraine. If Russia had waited for the attack that was coming, Ukraine (and complicitly the USA and EU) would be the aggressor and most of us would be singing a different tune. Nevermind that Ukraine constantly shelled Donetsk and massed somewhere in the realm of 80,000-100,000 troops on the Donbas border and that Zelenskiy agitated for nukes!

Anyway, Russia ... beyond all neocon imagining... is winning, and will win, this war. And will probably have close to a million trained men in their army by mid-2024 in anticipation of an escalation that winds up with direct NATO involvement.

What is our administration going to DO?

Well, if they were planning on an ACTUAL war with Russia, they would have started recruiting more heavily a long time ago, geared up weapons manufacturing, and started pre-positioning materiel already. A credible conventional military response is already out of the question.

Of course, I can't assume that our administration even knows what a credible military response is, seeing as they seem to run on wishful thinking and Rambo movies, so maybe they think that "something" "somewhere" could happen?

But assuming that they're smart enough to realize that a conventional military response will fail and shouldn't be attempted, I imagine they would then try to solve their (neocon, DNC/GOP establisment) POLITICAL problem, which is "how do we extricate ourselves from this mess without looking like a LOSER?"

Supposedly there are some desultory talks happening between the Kremlin and CFR/thinktanistan, but apparently our side has no idea how serious Russia is about this: they think they can bullshit and promise their way into getting Russia to give up military gains. But since we reneged on every treaty, agreement , contract, or promise with the Russians (the latest being the "grain deal") what POSSIBLE rationale would the Russians have for entering yet another agreement, and a disadvantageous one at that, likely to be weaseled out of by the west??

So my guess is this administration, with neither a military nor a negotiated face-saving solution in sight, will promise yet more weapons to Kiev, to keep the war going thru October, and then throw the Ukrainians under the bus. Nevermind that by then a half-million Ukrainian men - or more -will have been killed.

That's assuming that the USA controls the pace of the war. Which it doesn't.

So the big question is, what is RUSSIA going to do?

Well, Russia has some actual goals, and they include de-militarizing, de-Nazifying, and neutralizing Ukraine. IMO all that is within reach.

But Russia has further aims, and that is to restructure Europe's security architecture. At a minimum, that would mean removing USA/NATO missile installations from Poland and Romania. But that would mean FORCING NATO to the table.

Hmmm... tricky calculation, getting the to negotiate without forcing the USA to push The Button. Needs more thought!



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM



You could not be more Russian if you tried, Signym. I am not making predictions beyond that Russia will be poorer after this war ends than it is today while Ukraine will continue fighting Russia until the "next" Putin kills/retires/prevails over this Putin and then declares victory in Ukraine much like North Korea's various Kims claim they were victorious over South Korea and the USA. South Korea was in ruins, but 70 years after July 27, 1953 the "temporary" halt in fight

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Monday, August 7, 2023 5:30 PM

Putin's Forever War -- A New State Ideology

For Mr. Putin, the war has expanded in character, becoming the culmination of a civilizational war against the West. It may unfold in Ukraine, but Moscow’s enemies lie beyond.

The United States, Europe and NATO are now consistently identified as sources of “outright Satanism,” in the recent words of Sergei Naryshkin, the director of Russia’s foreign intelligence service.

Being ideological, the war is doubly intractable. “There are currently no grounds for an agreement,” Dmitri S. Peskov, the Kremlin’s spokesman, told me. “We will continue the operation for the foreseeable future.”

Anti-Western invective has attained phantasmagorical proportions. It is part of an emergent state ideology that is setting a course for possibly decades of confrontation.

Thirty years after Russia — in the midst of the ardent liberal hopes of the 1990s — adopted a Constitution whose Article 13 said, “No ideology shall be proclaimed as State ideology,” Mr. Putin’s Russia is hurtling toward a new official ideology of conservative values.

The possibility of an amendment rescinding Article 13 has been raised by the justice minister, Konstantin Chuychenko, among others.

This anti-Western ideology is based around the Orthodox Church, the fatherland, the family and the “priority of the spiritual over the material,” as laid out in Mr. Putin’s decree on spiritual and moral values issued in November.

The enemy, it proclaims, is the United States and “other unfriendly foreign states,” intent on the cultivation of “selfishness, permissiveness, immorality, the denial of the ideals of patriotism” and “destruction of the traditional family through the promotion of nontraditional sexual relations.”

If the West was portrayed during the Cold War as the nightmarish home of ruthless capitalism, it is now, as Russia sees it, the home of sex changes, the rampages of drag queens, barbaric gender debates and an L.G.B.T.Q. takeover.

“For how long should Russia tolerate open warfare from the West using Ukrainian meat?” Sergei Karaganov, a well-connected Russian foreign policy expert, asked in an interview.

“There is a high risk of nuclear war, and it is increasing,” he said. “The war is a prolonged Cuban missile crisis, but this time with Western leaders who reject normal values of motherhood, parenthood, gender, love of country, faith, God.”

This scarcely veiled Russian nuclear threat is part of a relentless onslaught against the West.

By insisting, against all evidence, that Ukraine is a nation run by Fascists and Nazis, and by suggesting that the West wants Ukraine to be another home of gender-transitioning moral decay, Mr. Putin has successfully turned a war of aggression into a defensive war, essential to save Russia from those intent on ripping apart its physical and moral fabric.

“What we see is not the measured language of an establishment in power for decades,” said Mr. Baunov, the fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center. “It has the ardor of revolutionaries, and it emanates from a major world power with a nuclear arsenal.”

Putin, the Romantic

The vindictive fever churning inside the Russian leader came to a head on the eve of the war in Ukraine. The loss of Crimea, in particular, as the Soviet Union broke up was a festering wound because of the widespread Russian sentiment that it is a core part of the country’s history.

“Putin was obsessed with justice, as he saw it,” said Aleksei A. Venediktov, whose popular Echo of Moscow radio station was shut down soon after the war began. “He told me in 2014, ‘You might not like the annexation of Crimea, but it’s just.’”

Mr. Venediktov says he knows Mr. Putin well. He believes everyone, himself included, got the Russian leader wrong.

“We did not see the Putin who was on a historical mission of revenge,” he told me. “We thought he was a corrupt guy from a poor family who wanted yachts and palaces and girls and money. We did not see the K.G.B. officer who thought the loss of the Soviet Union was unjust. We thought

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