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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Saturday, June 24, 2023 3:58 AM

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“Please let me die”: Freed Ukrainian POW describes first thoughts after Russian capture | 60 Minutes



Can you link to another site, maybe bitchute, rumble or Odysee,

it says Age Restricted on Susan Wojcicki's u tube

Go directly to CBS News to see the video and read the dialog. Russians are very "special" people:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-pow-russia-60-minutes-transcript-
2023-06-18
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Saturday, June 24, 2023 5:25 AM

Russia plan to blow up Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant has been “drafted and approved”

by Bruno Maçães, 23 June 2023

KYIV – In an interview with the New Statesman today (23 June) in the Rybalsky compound of Ukraine’s military intelligence services in Kyiv, Kyrylo Budanov warned that Russia has finished preparations for an attack on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in the south-east of the country.

According to Budanov, who leads the Main Directorate military intelligence organisation, the cooling pond of the plant has been mined by Russian troops. Without cooling, the nuclear reactors could melt in a period of between ten hours and 14 days. He believes Russia would be able to raise the voltage in the power supply lines to the plant, bringing about a nuclear accident at the lower end of that time frame. As Budanov put it during the interview, “Technical means could be used to speed up the catastrophe.”

Ukrainian military intelligence has also been able to establish that Russian troops have moved vehicles charged with explosives to four of the six power units. It is not clear if the International Atomic Energy Agency was granted access to these units during its visit on 15 June.

On 22 June, Volodymyr Zelensky made an alarming public announcement suggesting an attack on Zaporizhzhia could happen at any moment. The intelligence came from Ukraine’s Main Directorate. The prospect of a provoked accident has been raised before but Budanov thinks this time is different. “The situation has never been as severe as now,” he said. Zelensky added that Ukraine’s interior ministry has been tasked with preparing the population with how to respond to a nuclear catastrophe.

I asked Ukraine’s spymaster if the decision to blow up the power plant has been taken. He is confident the plan is fully “drafted and approved”. The only element missing is the order to go ahead. “Then it can happen in a matter of minutes.”

Whether the order will come depends on how Russia sees the potential benefits from a nuclear disaster in southern Ukraine. Budanov told me there are two possibilities. The first would be to blow up the power plant if its forces get ousted from the left bank of the Dnieper river. Russia would then create a zone of destruction and exclusion as a way to prevent Ukraine from advancing. The strategy may also serve as a threat not to attack Russian positions.

The second possibility is that Russia would use a nuclear disaster as a “preventive measure”, in Budanov’s words. The goal in this case would be to stop Ukraine’s offensive before it starts and to freeze the line of contact as it exists. If Russia is convinced that it cannot stop a Ukrainian advance any other way, it would activate what Zelensky in his address called “a terrorist attack with radiation leakage”.

There is frustration in Ukrainian intelligence and government circles that the reaction from the global community to the destruction of the Kakhovka hydroelectric dam on 6 June was so muted, and that it might invite further “scorched Earth tactics”.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine/2023/06/russia-plan-
blow-up-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-drafted-approved


Bruno Maçães was the Portuguese Europe minister from 2013-2015 and is the author of “Geopolitics for the End Time: From the Pandemic to the Climate Crisis”.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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THG
Saturday, June 24, 2023 5:38 AM

Comrade, I told you so. Can_you_see_me_laughing?

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CIVIL WAR BEGINS IN RUSSIA | Breaking News With The Enforcer





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Saturday, June 24, 2023 7:08 AM

Prigozhin Charged With 'Inciting Armed Revolt' After Vowing to Stop 'Evil' Military Leadership

By Mack Tubridy, Pyotr Kozlov and Samantha Berkhead

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/23/prigozhin-says-moscow-strike
s-kill-huge-number-of-wagner-forces-vows-to-stop-top-brass-a81615


The head of Russia’s Wagner mercenary group Yevgeny Prigozhin was charged with “inciting an armed uprising” and military vehicles were deployed to the streets of Moscow and Rostov-on-Don after he made an extraordinary threat to “stop” Russia’s top military brass.

Prigozhin on Friday accused Russia’s military leadership of ordering strikes on Wagner’s camps and killing a "huge" number of forces.

In a tirade against the Defense Ministry, with whom he has been feuding publicly for months over the handling of the war in Ukraine, Prigozhin, 62, said Wagner's leadership had determined that "the evil that the military leadership of the country brings must be stopped."

Hours later, Russia’s Federal Security Agency (FSB) had filed criminal charges against Prigozhin for "inciting an armed uprising."

The charges are punishable by 12 to 20 years in prison.

"Prigozhin’s statements and actions amount to calls for the start of an armed civil conflict on Russian territory and are a ‘stab in the back’ for Russian servicemen fighting pro-fascist Ukrainian forces," the FSB said in a statement carried by state agencies.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that President Vladimir Putin was aware of the "unfolding situation" around Prigozhin and that "all necessary measures" were being taken.

Shortly after 2:00 a.m. Prigozhin claimed Wagner's forces had "crossed all state borders" and entered the southern Rostov region, where he said Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu was located.

"The Defense Ministry units which were sent to block our path stood aside. ... We will destroy everything that gets in our way. We are going onwards and we will go to the end," he said in a new audio message.

High-ranking Russian officials who spoke to The Moscow Times on condition of anonymity warned against drawing premature conclusions as the situation is developing under the “fog of war.”

But a source close to the Kremlin said that Prigozhin's threats of revolt were the result of the competing military power structures that had emerged amid Russia's war on Ukraine.

"The problem is that in the case of Prigozhin, we got a classic example of two armies and many decision-making centers in the system," the source told The Moscow Times.

"The concern that this would cause problems was debated at meetings in the Kremlin and in the government. But the state management system in Russia has a lot of inertia — most in the Kremlin would throw up their hands, shake their heads and say, 'Yes, that's true. But it's not our business. Let others sort it out.’

“Now it's time to sort it out.”

Following widespread speculation that he had de facto announced an armed revolt against Russia’s military, Prigozhin added: “It is not a coup d’etat. It’s a march of justice. Our actions do not impede [regular Russian] soldiers at all.”

The Russian Defense Ministry denied Prigozhin's claims that its forces fired on Wagner encampments, saying they "do not correspond to reality" and calling them a "provocation."

It later claimed that Ukrainian forces, “taking advantage of Prigozhin’s provocation,” had launched offensive operations near the eastern city of Bakhmut.

Law enforcement authorities have stepped up security measures in Moscow, the state-run TASS news agency said around 1:00 a.m. local time.

"All the most important facilities, state authorities and transport infrastructure facilities have been taken under enhanced protection," TASS cited law enforcement agencies as saying.

Video and photos shared on social media on Friday night showed military vehicles on the streets of

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Saturday, June 24, 2023 7:27 AM

US introduced bipartisan resolution for NATO Article 5.

US senators introduced a bipartisan resolution declaring russia's use of nuclear weapons or destruction of the occupied Zaporizhia Nuclear Powerplant in Ukraine to be an attack on NATO requiring the invocation of NATO Article 5
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14gnd2v/lindsey_graham_and_s
en_blumenthal_introduced_a
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"Ukrainian military stormed positions near Krasnohorivka in Donetsk region for the first time in the ATO"
According to a number of military sources, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to take positions that had been under the control of the "DPR" for 9 years.
https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672234143659220993?s=19

"No one destroyed 60 Leopards": Wagner Boss Exposes Frontline Reality vs. Kremlin's Fiction
Wagner Boss questions the widely circulated Russian claims of 60 destroyed Leopards and reveals the truth of the advancements made by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/18618

Russia must pay to rebuild Ukraine, says Germany
The US, Britain and the EU have pledged €60 billion to help Ukraine rebuild. But Germany's development minister says it's "obvious" that Moscow should ultimately foot the bill for the destruction caused by the war.
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-russia-must-pay-for-what-they-destroyed-
says-germany/a-66009211?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, June 24, 2023 7:54 AM

Yeah.
Bc "Ukraine is in NATO".
And USA can always gin up an attack on ... anywhere... and claim "Russia did it".
/snark


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Saturday, June 24, 2023 5:36 PM

Russian federal subjects and the Wagner Group continue efforts to conceal the true scale of Russian and Wagner losses in Ukraine. Russian opposition media outlet Verstka reported that authorities of at least 16 Russian federal subjects ceased publishing the obituaries of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine, seven federal subjects never published consistent obituaries for war dead, and 19 federal subjects never published obituaries.[63] Bloomberg reported on June 22, citing data from the Bank of Russia, that Wagner Group is paying death gratuities to Wagner personnel’s families in cash, likely in an attempt to conceal the true amount Wagner has paid.[64] Bloomberg noted that Wagner has paid so many death gratuities that the cash turnover in Russia within the past 10 months exceeded pre-war forecasts by 2.2 trillion rubles (roughly $25.9 billion). https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-war-economy-awash-bags-04000055
1.html


https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-june-23-2023


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Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:39 PM

The Wagner Mutiny Foreshadows a Russian Defeat
Leonid Bershidsky | Bloomberg

The mutiny by Wagner PMC, the mercenary army founded by St. Petersburg caterer Yevgeny Prigozhin, hardly comes as a surprise after months of mockery and derision directed at military leaders in Moscow. But in its timing — in the midst of a Ukrainian counteroffensive — this apparent reenactment of Benito Mussolini’s 1922 March on Rome could foreshadow Russia’s defeat in its war of choice.

On Friday morning, Prigozhin published a long video on Telegram in which he argued that the Ukraine invasion was launched for little more than Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu’s vanity and a corrupt oligarchy’s business interests. He claimed the Russian army was retreating and losing 10 times more soldiers than it would have lost under better military leadership. Russian dissidents have been jailed for years for saying less: “Discreditation of the military” carries a maximum 15-year prison term under the Russian criminal code.

A few hours later, Prigozhin accused Shoigu and Chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov of ordering a missile strike on Wagner encampments deep behind the Russian lines. Overnight, his troops seized control of military and administrative buildings in the southern Russian city of Rostov. There, Prigozhin met with two top Russian generals and demanded that Shoigu and Gerasimov be handed over to him, threatening otherwise to march on Moscow. “Come and get them,” Lt. Gen. Vladimir Alexeyev, deputy head of Russia’s military intelligence, countered with a laugh.

So the Wagner column moved on to Voronezh, its trucks mixing with civilian cars on the highway to make an attack from the air difficult. Prigozhin claimed that his force counted 25,000 fighters, though the real number is likely less than 10,000. Wagner was decimated by the 220-day fight for Bakhmut and the departure of almost all surviving convicts Wagner had been allowed to recruit from prison camps. Still, the battle-hardened mercenaries met with no resistance as they moved through the Russian hinterland.

That’s likely to change. Vladimir Putin gave a tough five-minute speech on Saturday morning. Without naming Prigozhin, he accused him of treason and the kind of stab in the back that, he said, “stole” from Russia its well-deserved victory in World War I and led to the Bolshevik revolution and civil war. He said he’d spoken to military commanders overnight and given orders to end the mutiny.

Months of rancor turned into action — if self-destructive — in the wake of Wagner’s winning the towns of Soledar and Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine, the only successes of the Russian winter offensive in Ukraine. When Wagner pulled back to lick its wounds, Shoigu used the opportunity to demand that all mercenary troops sign contracts with his ministry. Prigozhin refused and was sidelined and Wagner’s supplies cut off by the military. Regular units have been fighting off the Ukrainian counteroffensive without Wagner’s help and have suffered no major defeats so far. Without an active role in the conflict, Prigozhin’s private army was getting expensive to maintain and useless as a moneymaker — its primary function for Prigozhin, who founded it to fight for resource concessions in Africa and the Middle East. Rather than shrink into the shadows, the restaurateur-turned-field commander went all in.

Putin’s authority has been undermined by the shoddy conduct of the Ukraine invasion, but he is no Luigi Facta, the Italian prime minister who was powerless to stop Mussolini from seizing power, nor is he King Victor Emmanuel III, who allowed the fascist leader to take over. Over the last decade, Prigozhin has forged strong ties within the military establishment, but they hardly run deep enough to allow his coup attempt to succeed. Two of his erstwhile military allies, Army General Sergei Surovikin and Alexeyev, have recorded videos condemning the mutiny and calling on Wagner fighters to desist. Security agencies such as the all-powerful FSB have been hostile to Prigozhin, an ex-convict withou

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Saturday, June 24, 2023 11:00 PM

Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63 tweeted:

Don't wonder what will happen if Russia collapses. It already did! Years ago. It's not a state, it's a mafia front with factions fighting each other for money, resources, and power.
4:50 PM · Jun 23, 2023
https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1672361468602335238

Whatever is happening now, it was already clear Putin wasn't able to control every faction or to keep the infighting quiet or at least non-violent the way he mostly could before.

The pointing fingers among Russian factions will increasingly be on triggers as Ukrainian victories multiply. The towers of lies will collapse and new, smaller ones built. Defeat will be denied, then blamed on rivals, then fake victory declared by the survivors.

Whoever keeps control, Putin or anyone else, will be faced with threats & instability. It is vital for the free world not to offer any lifelines to murderers. We do not expect democracy and liberty to suddenly flourish, but there can be no deals with Russian war criminals.

There will be attempts to use internal conflict as pretext for ceasefires, sanctions relief, and other charades to give Russia time to regroup and reload while occupying Ukrainian territory & continuing the terror. No.

Do not let whatever mafia show that is now out in the open in Russia distract from the goal of Ukrainian victory. It is time to accelerate, not hesitate. If you agree that "let them all lose" in Russia is ideal, the road to that is victory. Glory to Ukraine.

PS Please keep in mind that even more than usual, everything coming out of the Kremlin, and Russian generally, will be lies. It's instinctive and about control. Such people would not admit they were drowning to a lifeguard.

If this is a color revolution in Russia, it’s the color of money. Crooks fighting thugs for turf and resources and the power to hold them. Prigozhin could end up dead or like another Kadyrov, bought off to murder for the regime again. No honor among thieves & killers.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Saturday, June 24, 2023 11:51 PM

Prigozhin’s bid for control is arguably the greatest threat to Moscow’s government since the 1991 coup attempt against Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. In August of that year, Communist Party and KGB hard-liners, angered by Gorbachev’s reform efforts, sought to take over the government by sending troops into Moscow. But that coup quickly failed, and the Soviet Union rapidly broke apart, ending the Cold War.

I was a reporter for the Los Angeles Times that summer, and I was sent to Moscow to help cover the coup’s aftermath. For one story, I traveled to a rural area outside the Russian capital to interview troops who had been sent to Moscow by the coup-plotters but had left the city after the takeover failed.

The troops who had so recently threatened to bring down the government were by then picking cabbages because farmworkers had largely disappeared during the crisis. The soldiers were happy to be doing farm work because they were getting paid extra on top of their military salaries, a rare benefit that stemmed from the government’s concerns about an imminent food shortage. The impoverished conditions of those soldiers connects directly to what Prigozhin has been saying about the incompetence and corruption of the Russian government today and its casual waste of soldiers’ lives on the battlefield in Ukraine. A key part of his argument for staging a coup is that the war has been fought to enrich Russian elites.

Russian soldiers “came here as volunteers, and they died to let you lounge in your mahogany offices,” Prigozhin said in a May video directed at Russia’s military leaders. “You are sitting in your expensive clubs, your children are enjoying good living and filming videos on YouTube. Those who don’t give us ammunition will be eaten alive in hell!”

Reporting on the 1991 coup in Moscow was much different; back then, the story was far more accessible to Western reporters. In speaking to the soldiers picking cabbages outside Moscow, as well as their commanders, I quickly learned that they had no idea why they had been sent to the capital. No one had told them they were part of a coup attempt, so when they had arrived in the city, they’d simply parked their tanks and waited for orders. The orders never came, because the coup-plotters lost their nerve.

A big question now is whether Prigozhin will also lose his nerve
in the coming days.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230624174116/https://theintercept.com/20
23/06/24/russia-putin-yevgeny-prigozhin-wagner
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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