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Inside the unexpectedly wild landmark Montana youth climate trial by Karin Kirk, June 15, 2023
Young people are attempting to hold their state accountable for fossil fuel expansion.
The case, Held v. Montana, pits a group of 16 young plaintiffs against the state of Montana. The youth argue that the state’s unabated pursuit of fossil fuel extraction is violating their constitutional rights to a clean and healthful environment.
Their argument draws on an unusual feature of Montana’s constitution. Written in 1972, it reads: “The state and each person shall maintain and improve a clean and healthful environment in Montana for present and future generations.”
In fact, the right to a clean and healthful environment is spelled out twice in the constitution, and it’s listed first among Montanans’ inalienable rights.
Montana’s constitution is part of why this is the first of several youth climate lawsuits to make it to trial in the U.S.
Montana attempted several times to have the case dismissed.
The trial is being closely watched by climate advocates across the U.S. because it has the potential to establish a precedent that future cases could build upon. If Judge Kathy Seely finds that Montana’s fossil fuel activities violate the state constitution, then the state may have to reconsider its all-in approach toward fossil fuels — though it’s uncertain how that would play out.
More at https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/06/inside-the-unexpectedly-wil
d-landmark-montana-youth-climate-trial/
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Their argument draws on an unusual feature of Montana’s constitution. Written in 1972, it reads: “The state and each person shall maintain and improve a clean and healthful environment in Montana for present and future generations.”
They were talking about not littering, doucebag.
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The trial is being closely watched by climate advocates across the U.S. because
... they are lunatics and idiots.
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If Judge Kathy Seely finds that Montana’s fossil fuel activities violate the state constitution, then the state may have to reconsider its all-in approach toward fossil fuels — though it’s uncertain how that would play out.
No it's not. You'll have to burn coal to power your cars because electricity isn't magic, and the good people of Montana will be paying a buck per kWh.
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Quote:NorthWestern Energy CEO Brian Bird acknowledged in 2023: “I may be the only CEO in the utility industry adding coal to his portfolio.”
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No it's not. You'll have to burn coal to power your cars because electricity isn't magic, and the good people of Montana will be paying a buck per kWh.
All-in on fossil fuels
Montana has never denied a fossil fuel permit, whether for extraction, transportation, or burning of fossil fuels. In a 2022 debate, then-candidate Ryan Zinke, now a Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives, proudly said he wanted no part of the clean energy transition. Montana Sen. Steve Daines has received well over $1 million in campaign donations from the fossil fuel industry and routinely characterizes efforts to decarbonize energy as an “attack on American energy.” During this winter’s legislative session, state lawmakers tried to ban the teaching of scientific theories in K-12 education and passed new laws that block cities from making their own policies that would encourage non-fossil sources of energy.
The primary defense from the state thus far is that its emissions are “too minuscule to make any difference.” Stermitz called Montana a spectator in the realm of global climate change, adding “there is absolutely nothing Montana does or could do” to reach the plaintiffs’ goal of reducing carbon pollution in the atmosphere to safe levels.
“Would an oil refinery upwind of Glacier National Park, by itself, affect the rate of glacier loss?” Stermitz asked in cross-examination of glacier researcher Dan Fagre.
Similar lines of questioning followed each expert testimony. What would be the impact of one state’s emissions on a problem of global proportions? If Montana stopped burning coal, could the effect be measured in snowpack, wildfire smoke, or drought? Can a specific state policy be directly linked to the harm of an individual child in the state? If there is no measurable, specific impact, then perhaps the state has no responsibility for the peril of its children.
Then again, the same argument could be made for any large-scale problem. If any single actor is insufficient to move the needle, then perhaps all actors are free from responsibility. It’s the very reasoning that has led the world into crisis in the first place.
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/06/inside-the-unexpectedly-wil
d-landmark-montana-youth-climate-trial/
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proudly said he wanted no part of the clean energy transition.
Because "clean" energy is a fallacy in a world with 8 Billion people and growing, you dolt.
And a very expensive one at that.
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Groundbreaking youth-led climate trial comes to an end in Montana
Ruling could take weeks to emerge in trial for Held v Montana, which is the first constitutional climate trial in US history
A groundbreaking climate trial came to an early close on Tuesday as lawyers on each side presented a very different picture of who can be held responsible for the climate crisis.
Attorneys representing the lawsuit’s young challengers said Montana officials and agencies must be held accountable for exacerbating the crisis, and thereby violating the plaintiffs’ state constitutional rights. But the defense argued that climate change is a global problem. Let the Chinese fix the problem since they are bigger CO2 polluters than Montana. The Chinese said they would gladly fix it, but only if Montana pays for the fix. Montana refused.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/20/held-v-montana-climate
-trial-youth-end
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Quote:Nothing but failure is possible if you do nothing. You have bragged for years about doing nothing, 6ix, so your attitude that clean energy is a fallacy can become the only reality. Other countries are not plagued by loafers like you:
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proudly said he wanted no part of the clean energy transition.
Because "clean" energy is a fallacy in a world with 8 Billion people and growing, you dolt.
And a very expensive one at that.
China’s Wind and Solar Are Now Almost Enough to Power Every Home. Wind and solar output jumped 21% last year to 1,190 terawatt-hours of electricity. That’s not far off total residential power consumption of 1,340 terawatt-hours.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-14/china-s-wind-and-so
lar-are-now-almost-enough-to-power-every-home
China is set to have 3,300GW of solar and wind in place by 2030, smashing by almost three times its own renewable energy goal for the end of the decade
https://www.rechargenews.com/energy-transition/china-to-hit-3-3tw-of-w
ind-and-solar-by-2030-on-road-to-energy-self-sufficiency-goldman-sachs/2-1-1430327
China builds vast solar, wind power parks in deserts
With 2,600 to 3,400 annual sunshine hours, Inner Mongolia ranks second only to Tibet Autonomous Region in the country in solar energy resources. Solar energy has emerged as a primary focus for driving the region's energy transformation in the latest round of the energy revolution.
The region has attracted leading photovoltaic manufacturing enterprises such as GCL Technology Holdings Limited, Tongwei Co., Ltd., TCL Zhonghuan Renewable Energy Technology Co., Ltd., Risen Energy Co., Ltd. and LONGi Green Energy Technology Co., Ltd. to shape up the whole industrial chain.
https://english.news.cn/20230404/4abc952dbcfb4b5a8f76fa3a197a0da2/c.ht
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6ix, you and your Trumptards are an affliction, a time-wasting degenerate disease in the US.
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6ix, you and your Trumptards are an affliction, a time-wasting degenerate disease in the US.
Right back at you, boy.
P.S. China had zero Covid too, and they didn't unleash it from a lab.
If you believe one lie from China, you have to believe them all. You don't get to pick and choose.
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Quote:Where I live, in Republican-controlled Texas, the rich are Democrats and the poor are Republicans. My East Texas relatives are all poor, lazy, and stupid, but every one of them denies that simple truth. Instead, they see their problems (so many problems with alcohol, family, money, children, job, cultural) as not being their own fault, but caused by Democrats. My East Texas relatives are all Trumptards and they are all burdened by problems they caused for themselves, but which they think Democrats caused.
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6ix, you and your Trumptards are an affliction, a time-wasting degenerate disease in the US.
Right back at you, boy.
P.S. China had zero Covid too, and they didn't unleash it from a lab.
If you believe one lie from China, you have to believe them all. You don't get to pick and choose.
In contrast, my immediate family, father, mother, two sisters, moved to Pasadena Texas, worked at Burger King, and got rich. Their family lives are problem free. There was also the thing about going to college and becoming a school teacher, a nurse, and an engineer. My Trumptard relatives think that there was some kind of cheating going on to explain why the non-Trumptards prospered while they did not. The reality is very simple: Trumptards are poor because they won't do what they should do to correct their lives and grow wealthy. And they fooled themselves into believing climate change is a hoax.
Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America’s economy. What does this mean for the nation’s political-economic divide?
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2020/11/09/biden-voting-coun
ties-equal-70-of-americas-economy-what-does-this-mean-for-the-nations-political-economic-divide/
Affluent Americans used to vote for Republican politicians. Now they vote for Democrats.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/artic
le/polarization-of-the-rich-the-new-democratic-allegiance-of-affluent-americans-and-the-politics-of-redistribution/E18D7DAE3A1EF35BA5BC54DE799F291B
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In contrast, my immediate family, father, mother, two sisters, moved to Pasadena Texas, worked at Burger King, and got rich. Their family lives are problem free.
You're even younger than I thought. The naivety of that statement puts you at around 13 years old.
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Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America’s economy.
Not "Biden*" voting counties. Democrat owned counties that include non-Democrat voting suburbs that surround the crime ridden, Democrat infested large cities.
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Affluent Americans used to vote for Republican politicians. Now they vote for Democrats.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/artic
le/polarization-of-the-rich-the-new-democratic-allegiance-of-affluent-americans-and-the-politics-of-redistribution/E18D7DAE3A1EF35BA5BC54DE799F291B
Affluent WHITE Americans.
Democrats used to be against war, government invasion of privacy and large corporations too. Now you're sucking the dicks of neo-cons and warmongers, and running defense for Disney.
Guess we know what happened now, don't we?
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In contrast, my immediate family, father, mother, two sisters, moved to Pasadena Texas, worked at Burger King, and got rich. Their family lives are problem free.
You're even younger than I thought. The naivety of that statement puts you at around 13 years old.Quote:
Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America’s economy.
Not "Biden*" voting counties. Democrat owned counties that include non-Democrat voting suburbs that surround the crime ridden, Democrat infested large cities.Quote:
Affluent Americans used to vote for Republican politicians. Now they vote for Democrats.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/artic
le/polarization-of-the-rich-the-new-democratic-allegiance-of-affluent-americans-and-the-politics-of-redistribution/E18D7DAE3A1EF35BA5BC54DE799F291B
Affluent WHITE Americans.
Democrats used to be against war, government invasion of privacy and large corporations too. Now you're sucking the dicks of neo-cons and warmongers, and running defense for Disney.
Guess we know what happened now, don't we?
Also...
Wall Street Sours on America’s Downtowns
The pessimism from investors who bet on office buildings and mass transit can be seen in market signals that are flashing red
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cities-real-estate-bonds-taxes-c6736f8b?m
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Investors are paying less for bonds linked to New York subways and buses. Downtown-focused real-estate investment trusts trade at less than half their prepandemic levels. Bondholders are demanding extra interest to hold office-building debt.
Downtowns have been a mother lode for American cities over the years, providing billions of dollars in tax revenue along with their distinctive skylines. In turn, investors who bet on downtown office towers, or on the trains and buses delivering workers to them, could generally trust they held a winning hand.
Now, with white-collar workers spending more time in their home offices, a phenomenon that shows few signs of ending, investments linked to downtowns are trading at falling prices in volatile markets.
“You could see this as a slow-motion change or as the beginning of a slow-moving train wreck,” said Richard Ciccarone, president emeritus of Merritt Research Services, a municipal credit-analysis firm. “I hope it’s not a train wreck, but it could be.”
Investors’ dimming view of downtowns isn’t good news for cities’ finances, nor for their residents. It puts under strain some of city governments’ traditional ways of extracting wealth: collecting property taxes on office buildings, taxes on wages earned within city limits, and fares from office workers’ commutes.
Residents of some cities are bracing for austerity. Many New York library branches expect to close an additional day each week under cuts proposed as the city faces rising labor costs and budget gaps projected to reach $7 billion in 2027. From New York to Chicago to San Francisco, residents and visitors complain about empty downtown streets and transit stops that have become way stations for the mentally ill and homeless.
How long do you think that is going to be true given the current economic conditions that your party is responsible for?
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