Justice for Me, but Not For Thee
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UPDATED: Saturday, September 7, 2024 18:01
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Originally posted by second:Quote:In Texas, the Trump voters do get upset when called Nazis.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Democrats have correctly called Republicans Nazis. This upsets Republicans mightily.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump will be fine.
Have fun blowing Bill Barr now though dude.
No it doesn't. Nobody takes any of your insults seriously anymore. Democrats are a joke.
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
No they don't. Nobody takes you seriously and you people have abused the word Nazi so bad it doesn't mean anything anymore.
Shame on you.
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Quote:I should mock you, but Nazis are deaf and blind. The German version of Nazis couldn't see themselves as bad people and neither can the American version, but send this piece of good legal advice to your lawbreaking Fuhrer: ‘If you want to die in jail, keep talking’
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No they don't. Nobody takes you seriously and you people have abused the word Nazi so bad it doesn't mean anything anymore.
Shame on you.
If Trump were anyone other than a former president, he would not have been given the luxury of a summons to appear in court. There would be a team of armed FBI agents outside his door at 6:30 in the morning, he would have been arrested and the government would be immediately moving to detain. So the idea that he’s being treated differently is true – but not from the way his supporters seem to be arguing.
Question: If Trump were your client, what would you advise him to do?
Durkin: The first thing I would do is show him a guidelines memo, which we typically create for every client to help them understand the potential consequences of the charges. Under the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines, the consequences for Trump under this indictment are serious. My quick calculations indicate that you’re talking about 51 to 63 months in the best case and in the worst case, which I’m not sure would apply, 210 to 262 months.
Whether he wants to roll heavy dice, that’s up to him. But those are very heavy dice.
Ferguson: I might pull media statements that he has made in the last couple years and explain to him how they have complicated the ability to defend him. I’d put on the table to him that I need to see every statement that he is going to make in the political realm about this before he makes it. I’d tell him he’s otherwise basically hanging himself.
I’d tell him: If you want to die in jail, keep talking. But if you want to try to figure out a way that brings about an acceptable resolution - a plea deal that opens the door to a lighter jail sentence than what the guidelines threaten and, possibly, even no jail time – you need to turn it down or at least have it screened by your lawyers.
Question: Are there specific things he might say between now and a trial that could deepen his trouble?
Ferguson: No question about that. And people should understand that the things that he said already are being used as evidence of intent. From now on, the repetition of them constitutes new admissible evidence. It’s not like, “Oh, I’ve already said it, so I might as well keep saying it.”
That does not mean that he cannot offer the broad brush characterization, “I’m being wronged. This is the weaponization of law enforcement and the justice system against me, and I will be vindicated,” however imprudent I might think that was. But anything that goes beyond that, and into the actual particulars, referencing the documents themselves, will just make it worse.
Question: Trump knows a lot of state secrets. An angry Trump in prison has risks. If he were found guilty, what does incarceration look like for him?
Ferguson: Trump’s insistence on keeping talking about this creates a record that would justify isolation in maximum security on the basis that “We can’t trust this man not to continue to talk. We can’t trust him not to further share these secrets with people who may wish to do harm with them. The only way to avoid that is to put him in isolation in supermax where he doesn’t get to talk with people, except under these extremely closely monitored circumstances, certainly isn’t in a general population situation, gets to take a walk in a courtyard for one hour out of the 24 hours of the day, and the other 23 hours, leaving him mostly without human contact.”
Question: Is there a specific line Trump could cross that would force the government to seek to detain him prior to trial?
Durkin: I predict that if he keeps it up, and especially if he keeps suggesting or threatening violence, that the government will be put in a position where the
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Trump scrambles to find lawyer on eve of first federal court appearance
In a familiar predicament, multiple Florida lawyers decline to take Trump’s case, people familiar with the matter say.
After touching down in Miami on Monday, Trump spent the afternoon interviewing prospective lawyers. Several prominent Florida attorneys declined to take Trump on as a client after two of the key lawyers handling the documents matter — Jim Trusty and John Rowley — resigned last week, according to people familiar with the matter.
Trusty and Rowley’s departure was sudden and unexpected, leaving Trump jockeying to identify a lawyer ahead of his Tuesday appearance in federal court in Miami, where rules require practicing attorneys to be a member in good standing of the Florida bar or to be sponsored by one before appearing.
The 11th-hour flurry of action to hire a seasoned trial attorney was a familiar dance for Trump, who has had difficulty hiring and keeping lawyers over the course of numerous federal and state investigations since his 2016 election as president.
Disagreements over legal strategy have hindered the search for new defense attorneys, according to people familiar with the discussions, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
Some on Trump’s team have pushed to pursue an aggressively partisan strategy in which they would accuse the Justice Department of prosecutorial misconduct and weaponizing the legal system against Trump. The other camp, a person briefed on the situation said, is urging the former president to put together a traditional defense team and believes that the case is winnable at trial through careful jury selection — one juror is all a defendant needs to convince to avoid conviction — and that a scorched-earth strategy could alienate a jury and the country.
Jon Sale, a prominent Florida defense attorney who worked on the Watergate prosecution team and turned down the opportunity to join Trump’s defense team last year, said that the pros and cons of representing Trump are obvious.
“Without engaging in hyperbole, it’s arguably the biggest case in the world,” said Sale. “But the cons are illustrated by three of his four lawyers quitting in the last few weeks. He needs a good Florida lawyer with an impeccable reputation who is very experienced in this.”
Trump is known as a difficult client — he eschews legal advice, sometimes issues public threats to engage in illegal activity and frequently skips out on his legal bills.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/12/trump-docu
ments-lawyer/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Originally posted by second:Quote:I should mock you,
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No they don't. Nobody takes you seriously and you people have abused the word Nazi so bad it doesn't mean anything anymore.
Shame on you.
Do your worst, dickless.
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Quote:In an earlier iteration of Trump scandals, I would have leapt to the conclusion that his refusal to follow the Pence/Biden model (returning the top-secret documents) is a clear sign that he’s guilty of something darker and more nefarious.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Do your worst, dickless.
Which he might be. But having seen a few of these scandals play out now, I’m open to the possibility that he’s just stubborn, he doesn’t think the rules apply to him, he doesn’t like other people telling him what to do, and he thinks that being charged helps him stay at the center of attention and neuter his intraparty rivals, so fuck it. Trump simply stands head and shoulders above the average American politician in his willingness to take things to the edge, to flout the law, and to act with reckless disdain for the consequences his actions will have for anyone.
His efforts to supposedly own the libs mostly involve deceiving his own supporters. Trump markets himself as a down-and-dirty fighter who champions the right’s causes through his refusal to play the game with kid gloves. In truth, he’s a sub-par politician who’s not good at winning elections or advancing a legislative agenda or convincing people of conservative ideas.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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*yawn*
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Meanwhile Biden walks around the Whitehouse eating ice cream and talking to the paintings...and craping his pants.
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Quote:We are now almost exclusively fighting over whether if you are Donald J. Trump, you are allowed to walk around with highly classified documents, to show them to biographers without security clearance, to hide them and to lie about it, because when you are Donald J. Trump, what you feel like doing at any given moment gets to be the very definition of the rule of law. To the extent there is a “legal” debate occurring at all, it’s about whether, per Richard Nixon, when the former/ex/“real” president does it, it’s legal.
Originally posted by whozit:
Meanwhile Biden walks around the Whitehouse eating ice cream and talking to the paintings...and craping his pants.
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lol
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Quote:The Department of Justice, far from indicting him for political reasons, actually went easy on him:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol
In January of last year, in response to a subpoena, Trump returned 197 classified documents to the federal government. Despite his willfully retaining those documents for months, the federal indictment released last week does not charge Trump in connection with any of them — which is to say, the DOJ gave Trump a pass on 197 potential counts of willful retention of national defense information. Instead, it charged him with only 31 counts corresponding with the number of highly classified documents Trump knowingly withheld from the government in January 2022 and the FBI later obtained.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/trump-indictment-not-political
ly-motivated-clinton-emails-biden.html
Trump held onto hundred of classified documents for a year after leaving office, even after repeated requests for their return from the National Archives. He gave them back only after a subpoena. Even so, he did give them back, so DOJ let the whole thing slide.
But then Trump practically forced their hand. Even after requests, even after a subpoena, he held on to dozens more classified documents and did everything he possibly could to hide them. The government got them back only after the FBI seized them in a search of Mar-a-Lago months later.
This is the key difference between Trump and Biden/Pence/Hillary Clinton.
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