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Monday, June 12, 2023 1:07 AM

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Did anyone know that Smiths wife worked for the Obamas?

Smith had been serving as the top prosecutor investigating war crimes in Kosovo in The Hague.

Mr. Smith, 54, has cut an elusive figure since his appointment last November to investigate former President Donald J. Trump. He has granted no interviews, and kept a profile so low that a recent sighting of him emerging from a Subway with lunch was news in the Justice Department headquarters across town.

But on Friday, he made a concise case for his decision to charge Mr. Trump in connection with his retention of classified documents at his residence in Florida.

“Adherence to the rule of law is a bedrock principle of the Department of Justice,” Mr. Smith said. “And our nation’s commitment to the rule of law sets an example for the world. We have one set of laws in this country, and they apply to everyone.”

Former colleagues said he stood out from the start. He was more intense and more focused than many of his peers. He was known for his succinct and effective courtroom style — so much so that senior attorneys in the office would advise junior prosecutors to watch his trials and take notes, according to a person who worked with him in Brooklyn.

During that time, Mr. Smith met Marshall Miller, now the top adviser to Deputy Attorney General Lisa O. Monaco, and the two men worked closely during an investigation into the brutal attack of Abner Louima, a Haitian immigrant who was sexually assaulted by the police with a broomstick inside a Brooklyn precinct in 1997. (The cops went to prison. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima#Criminal_trials )

Mr. Miller — along with Leslie Caldwell, a former department official close to both men — was instrumental in Mr. Smith’s selection as special counsel, telling Ms. Monaco and Mr. Garland that his independence and aggressiveness made him the ideal person for the job, according to several people with knowledge of the situation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/us/politics/jack-smith-special-coun
sel-trump-indictment.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 12, 2023 4:23 AM

NYT is blowing the guy, obviously.

You people would bend over and take it in the ass from Putin if he came out and said something shitty about Trump.



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Monday, June 12, 2023 5:19 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
NYT is blowing the guy, obviously.

You people would bend over and take it in the ass from Putin if he came out and said something shitty about Trump.

Smith has done the paperwork to put an actual President in prison, before Trump:

In 2015, Mr. Smith left Washington to accept a post in the federal prosecutor’s office in Nashville, in part to be closer to family members who had relocated there. He was appointed as acting U.S. attorney when Mr. Trump fired Obama-appointed attorneys, but left for a job at a private health care company after being passed over for a permanent appointment in the post, according to a law enforcement official who worked with him in Tennessee.

By late 2017, he had grown restless and jumped at the chance to move to The Hague to oversee the prosecution of defendants accused of war crimes in the Kosovo conflict in the late 1990s, after having served a stint there as a junior investigator earlier in his career.

When Mr. Garland’s aides contacted Mr. Smith, he and his team were fresh off the conviction of a high-ranking official in Kosovo and preparing a case against the country’s former president, Hashim Thaci, who has been connected with the killings of 100 Albanians, Roma and Serbs. (How can it be a crime for a President when he didn't personally pull the trigger?)

Mr. Smith expressed regret at not being able to be in The Hague for the trial, but eagerly accepted Mr. Garland’s offer, according to officials, saying he viewed his long-term obligations to the department as his primary professional responsibility.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/us/politics/jack-smith-special-coun
sel-trump-indictment.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 12, 2023 5:40 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yet another wall of bullshit via SECOND.
Troll.

Fox News legal analyst, Jonathan Turley, warns that Trump may spend the rest of his life in prison

Fox News' favorite legal commentator Jonathan Turley: "It is an extremely damning indictment ... this is not an indictment that you can dismiss"

Turley later: "It's really breathtaking. Obviously, this is mishandling, you know, putting classified documents into ballrooms and bathrooms is -- it borders on the bizarre. ... the visual and audio tape evidence is really daunting"

https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status/1667236045811859457

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 12, 2023 5:43 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yet another wall of bullshit via SECOND.
Troll.

Trump's Attorney General Bill Barr says Trump's indictment is 'very damning'

Barr says Trump may be 'toast' and his witch hunt defense won't work

"This idea of presenting Trump as a victim here--the victim of a witch hunt--is ridiculous. Yes, he's been a victim in the past. Yes his adversaries have obsessively pursued him with phony claims, and I've been at his side defending him when he is a victim, but this is much different. He's not a victim here," Barr added. "He was totally wrong that he had the right to have those documents. Those documents are among the most sensitive secrets the country has."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bill-barr-trumps-indictment-very-damn
ing-even-half-true


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 12, 2023 7:18 AM

Trump will be fine.


Have fun blowing Bill Barr now though dude.

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Monday, June 12, 2023 7:33 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump will be fine.


Have fun blowing Bill Barr now though dude.

Democrats have correctly called Republicans Nazis. This upsets Republicans mightily. They claim that because they don't do the "Heil Hitler!" salutes they can't be Nazis. But Republicans and Nazis are exactly the same in having My Führer -- Trump -- who can do no wrong and reads Mein Kampf before going to sleep. Same as Trumptards' feelings about Trump being fine, now, Nazis felt that Hitler was fine, too, until about 1944.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 12, 2023 9:56 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump will be fine.


Have fun blowing Bill Barr now though dude.

Democrats have correctly called Republicans Nazis. This upsets Republicans mightily.



No it doesn't. Nobody takes any of your insults seriously anymore. Democrats are a joke.



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Monday, June 12, 2023 3:55 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Trump will be fine.


Have fun blowing Bill Barr now though dude.

Democrats have correctly called Republicans Nazis. This upsets Republicans mightily.



No it doesn't. Nobody takes any of your insults seriously anymore. Democrats are a joke.



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In Texas, the Trump voters do get upset when called Nazis. Trump voters get even more upset when Trump is called mentally unstable. Trump voters get really upset when you prove to them that their personal problems are all their own fault: their drunkenness, their divorces, you name it. With Trump voters, everything is not their fault but is, instead, the Democrats' fault. Nazis had the same formula for shifting the blame but Nazis blamed Jews instead of Democrats. Every day I hear Trumptards threatening to kill Democrats. Every day. The Trumptards are going where the Nazis went:

Trump Extremists Demand Civil War, Mass Murder After New Indictment
“Why are we talking about anything but dragging the political elite out of their homes and setting them on fire?”
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-indictment-v
iolence-the-donald-mass-killing-1234768146
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The times Trump has advocated for violence
Trump made statements condoning and encouraging violence throughout his presidency.
https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/trump-call-violence-presidency
Just in case Signym and 6ix misunderstand simple concepts: violence against "imaginary enemies to your way of life" is the epitome of Nazi, whether it is Russians killing Ukrainians or Trumptards killing Democrats or Confederates killing Abolitionists or Ku Klux Klan killing Blacks or Germans killing Jews. And the reverse, where Ukrainians kill Russians who have a program to wipe out Ukrainians, is the opposite of being a Nazi. Nazis have great mental confusion over the idea that Nazis killing people is a bad thing but killing a Nazis is a good thing. This is because Nazis are convinced they are good people since a Trump or a Hitler or a Putin will rise to power by telling Nazis they are the best people in the world.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, June 12, 2023 4:28 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yet another wall of bullshit via SECOND.
Troll.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger


Trump's "peril is extreme": Former federal prosecutor on the historic Mar-a-Lago indictment

Charges against Trump almost "open and shut," says Dennis Aftergut — and prosecutors will ask for prison time

On Sunday I reached out to another frequent Salon contributor, former federal prosecutor Dennis Aftergut, now of counsel to Lawyers Defending American Democracy, a self-explanatory nonprofit. I wanted Dennis to share not just his legal expertise, although that's extremely important, but also his larger, atmospheric sense of this extraordinary indictment and its historical moment. We held this conversation by email; I have edited Dennis' responses here and there for clarity, but have not altered the substance of his remarks.

Question: I've read a fair number of criminal indictments in 30 years as a journalist, and by any standard this one seems extraordinary. I'd like to ask you, as a former federal prosecutor, how you perceived it in a number of different ways. First of all, what was your general impression of Jack Smith's indictment overall — as a work of legal argument and narrative, and also as an event in legal and political history?

Answer: The narrative here is one of betrayal of a nation and its most precious secrets by a man who was the commander in chief for four years and who seeks that mantle again. There's never been anything remotely like it.

Just think about it. The disregard for the lives, the risk and the individual courage that goes into gathering information vital to our national security and our safety is incomprehensible. There is no way for the brain to wrap itself around what is described in this indictment, the violation of sacred trust, a one-man demolition crew working against the American intelligence system that has been built, brick by brick, over 80 years.

With the kind of conduct alleged in the indictment by the former occupant of the highest office in the land, how is any foreign intelligence service supposed to trust us to keep information confidential, to protect its methods of collecting our enemies' secrets or the identity of its sources?

It could take years, if not decades, to recover from the damage.

Question: In more concrete terms, how does that conclusion emerge from this indictment?

Answer: Put together three basic pieces: 1) The bone-chilling nature of the materials unlawfully taken from the White House; 2) the apparent exposure of those materials at Mar-a-Lago; and 3) what we know from public reporting about security there and our nation's enemies whose agents may have breached it.

Much more at https://www.salon.com/2023/06/12/never-been-anything-like-it-former-pr
osecutor-on-the-historic-indictment
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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