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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Sunday, May 21, 2023 6:22 PM

A big Fat Neocon Liar (SECOND) quotes a Big Fat Neocon Liar (Fiona Hill)

What more do I need to read to know that it's not worth reading?

You're a big time-saver, SECOND!



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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THG
Sunday, May 21, 2023 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by second:
Biden says US will help Ukraine with F-16s:

President Biden has told G-7 leaders during his trip to Japan that the U.S. will back an allied effort to train Ukrainian pilots on some aircraft, including F-16s, according to a CNN first report Friday morning.

The months-long training probably won’t happen in the U.S. — instead taking place in Europe. But U.S. personnel may take part in the effort, according to CNN’s sources.

It was already reported overnight that the Biden administration had signaled to European allies that the F-16 fighter jets would be sent to Ukraine.

https://thehill.com/newsletters/1230-report/4012353-the-hills-1230-rep
ort-more-developments-in-the-us-involvement-in-ukraine
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Of course. Every wunderwaffe that NATO has provided... javelins, HIMARS, Patriot missiles, leopard tanks, APCs, Storm Shadow missiles etc has pretty much turned out to be a dud. Bc really, if any of these had turned the tide, if Ukraine was WINNING!, would we be supplying YET ANOTHER weapons system?

How long will it take us, do you think, before we finally reach into our back pocket and pull out a nuke?

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger




Putin to US companies in Russia: What's yours is mine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/putin-to-us-companies-in-russi
a-what-s-yours-is-mine/ar-AA1aoBLy?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d3ce40ff0e99428e8a385159ef049b6e&ei=22




This is signyms' world. Do you have enough to eat over there comrade? Do you even have toilet paper to clean your ass?

That's right, you guys have a community outhouse in the middle of town don't you. Because you've always lived like this you probably don't notice any change. Too funny...


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Sunday, May 21, 2023 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A big Fat Neocon Liar (SECOND) quotes a Big Fat Neocon Liar (Fiona Hill)

What more do I need to read to know that it's not worth reading?

You're a big time-saver, SECOND!

Signym, tell me that Russia doesn't want to win too quickly because Ukraine is Russia's training ground for learning the skills to efficiently kill millions of Nazis from Western Europe. The longer the war goes on, the more millions of Nazis will die, repeating the purifying and holy experience of The Great Patriotic War (June 22, 1941 - May 9, 1945).

Military expert says Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners ‘rescued the reputation’ of Patriot system

May 21, 2023, 05:13 AM

Ukrainian anti-aircraft gunners have rescued the reputation of the U.S. Patriot air defense system by repelling attacks by Russian Kinzhal missiles, Defense Express expert Ivan Kyrychevskyi said during an interview with Radio NV on May 18.

He noted that before receiving the Patriot, it was expected that the system would be able to shoot down Iskander and Kh-22 missiles, but there was no mention of its ability to down more sophisticated missiles such as the Kinzhal and S-400.

Kyrychevskyi said that Saudi Arabia has 200 Patriot launchers, the appropriate infrastructure, and U.S. instructors to help them.

"The story is that about once every two to three months, the Yemeni Houthis fire on Saudi Arabia with combined strikes using Shahed 136, rather primitive ballistic missiles, and very primitive copies of the Kh-55," he said.

“But Saudi Arabia, with its anti-aircraft gunners trained by American instructors, sometimes even failed to repel such attacks.”

According to Kyrychevskyi, this had caused the Patriot's reputation to plummet around the world. Russia even tried to sell the Abakan system to Saudi Arabia, claiming it could shoot down ballistic targets.

"It was literally Allah who saved Saudi Arabia from doing such a stupid thing and buying these missile systems from the Russians, and not completely ruining the reputation of the American Patriot," the expert said.

“The Americans thought for a long time, and they were in two minds: to give us the Patriot or not. It turns out that our anti-aircraft gunners, with a short training course, squeezed out of the Patriot literally something that the Americans themselves did not even realize.”

In the early hours of May 16, the Air Defense Forces shot down six Kinzhal missiles fired from six MiG-31K aircraft.

On May 6, Ukrainian Air Force Commander Mykola Oleshchuk confirmed that Ukraine had shot down a Russian Kinzhal airborne ballistic missile for the first time near Kyiv in the early hours of May 4.

On May 13, AFU Air Force spokesman Yuriy Ihnat said that the Patriot was operating in autonomous mode when it shot down the Russian Kinzhal missile.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/us-presents-new-aid-package-to-ukraine-af
ter-zelenskyy-s-meeting-with-biden-at-g7-summit-50326050.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 22, 2023 1:52 AM

Experts say Russia's claim to capture frontline city Bakhmut may not be much of a win

KYIV (UKRAINE) - Whether Bakhmut has fallen or not, Moscow is being pulled deeper into an ever more costly fight for the frontline city as Kyiv readies a major offensive, experts said.

Russia's claim to have conquered the destroyed city, which Ukraine rejected Sunday, does not mean significant new terrain from which to launch attacks nor harden defences.

But Moscow has made the eastern city's capture a key aim and has fought the war's longest battle, as well as one of its deadliest, to try to win what it would like to bill as a significant success.

US President Joe Biden, speaking from the G7 summit in Japan, noted Russian casualties in Bakhmut alone numbered over 100,000, including both dead and injured.

Rattled by the possibility of not winning Bakhmut after Ukraine this month retook kilometres of ground to the north and south of the city, Russia brought in significant numbers of additional troops.

"The redeployment represents a notable commitment," the UK Ministry of Defence said on Saturday, noting the reinforcements could number in the thousands.

The US-based Institute for the Study of War reported that Ukraine's attacks on Bakhmut's flanks "forced Russian troops to allocate scarce military resources... as Ukrainian command likely intended."

Ukraine has tamped down speculation that the advances are its long-awaited offensive but drawing growing numbers of Russian troops into the deadly fight in Bakhmut carries significant advantages for Kyiv's fightback.

- 'Buy time' -

"What they (Ukrainians) needed to do was to, one, weaken the Russians as much as possible before they do that counteroffensive, and secondly, buy time to get that force ready," said Phillips O'Brien, professor of strategic studies at St. Andrews University in Scotland.

"They calculated -- I believe it was the right choice -- that in fighting for Bakhmut, they could do both," he told US media outlet NPR in an interview aired Saturday.

The timing and focus of Ukraine's offensive have been the subject of months of speculation, while Kyiv has said almost nothing except that it needs more weapons from its backers.

At the same time, Russia has been reinforcing hundreds of kilometres of front line with tank barriers, trenches and troops.

Given that the battles would come after a significant influx of Western armaments, success or failure could undermine future support or increase pressure on Kyiv to negotiate.

It's hard to know the degree to which the troops reinforcing Bakhmut have left gaps in Russia's defences, but O'Brien said the Ukrainians could be waiting to attack "where they think the Russians are weakest".

The speculation regarding timing has cycled through several issues, including the particularly wet spring that left parts of the nation sopping.

Viscous Ukrainian mud is not an ideal surface for fast moving tanks or troops, but the weather has been mostly dry for weeks.

It is also difficult to imagine the nation launching a major offensive while Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky is out of the country.

- 'All just waiting' -

He has been on a rapid succession of major foreign trips in recent weeks, pushing his case for more and bigger weapons.

He won a pledge of more missiles from Britain and a multi-billion-euro package from Germany, as Europe intensifies its backing.

Zelensky also made a high-impact trip to Hiroshima to press his case in-person to G7 leaders, whose support is essential to Kyiv.

The G7 summit ends Sunday, which would mean Zelensky could soon be back home.

In Kyiv on Sunday soldiers received the news about Bakhmut with shrugs and scepticism.

They have heard claims before of the city's capture and they have other things on their minds.

"Everyone is trying to figure out when the offensive will start already. We know we have the equipment alrea

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Monday, May 22, 2023 3:09 AM

"Institute for the Study of War": The neocon Kagan-Nuland family disinfo project.

A known neocon liar (SECOND) quotes known neocons liars (ISW).

= more shitcan food!



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Monday, May 22, 2023 3:33 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Institute for the Study of War": The neocon Kagan-Nuland family disinfo project.

A known neocon liar (SECOND) quotes known neocons liars (ISW).

= more shitcan food!

"Institute for the Study of War" says Russia is winning, so with Signym's upside-down thinking, Russia must be losing.
https://www.understandingwar.org/

From the "Institute for the Study of War":
Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin declared victory in Bakhmut City on May 20 and announced his intent to withdraw from the city on May 25.[1] Prigozhin claimed that Wagner Group forces completely captured Bakhmut City on May 20, seizing the last multi-story apartment building in southwestern Bakhmut near the MiG-17 monument. Prigozhin announced that Wagner forces will establish defensive positions before transferring responsibility for the city to Russian conventional forces on May 25. Prigozhin effectively stated that Wagner forces will conduct an operational pause by resting and restoring combat power at field training camps in unspecified areas, presumably far from the frontline. ISW has not observed geolocated footage confirming Prigozhin’s claims as of this publication. Ukrainian officials reported that Ukrainian forces are still fighting in a small section of southwest Bakhmut as of May 20. Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar stated that Ukrainian forces continue to hold positions near the MiG-17 monument as of May 20.[2] The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) has not commented on Prigozhin’s claims as of this publication.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-20-2023


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 22, 2023 3:35 AM


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SITREP 5/20/23: Bakhmut Falls, Artemovsk Rises. What's Next?
Simplicius The Thinker
May 20, 2023


Well, the chef has delivered his finest cuisine yet...

... Bakhmut today has fallen on the exact one year anniversary of the fall of Mariupol on May 20th, 2022. And not surprisingly, the posture adopted by the UA supporters is the same exact energy as before: cringe, cope, excuse-making. “Bakhmut’s mission is accomplished,” they say, swallowing sobs.

Here’s the vast, incalculable list of units which were broken over the Wagnerian rock:

Why is Bakhmut called a Meat Grinder?
Who was decimated in Bakhmut:

Ukrainian Brigades
45th Brigade
43rd Brigade
26th Brigade
28th Brigade
62nd Brigade
63rd Brigade
53rd Brigade
60th Brigade
24th Brigade
57th Brigade
30th Brigade
Advance Rubizh Brigade
Advance Azov Brigade
Advance Uragan Brigade
Advance Spartan Brigade
109th Brigade
116th Brigade
119th Brigade
241st Brigade
93rd Brigade
77th Brigade
46th Brigade
4th Brigade
17th Brigade
61st Brigade of Jaegers

Special Forces and Spetsnaz Regiments:
5th Assault Regiment
8th Regiment of Special Forces

Kraken Battalions:
122nd Battalion
68th Battalion
214th OPFOR Battalion
49th Rifle Battalion
15th Mountain Assault Battalion

Omega
Border Guard Donetsk
8th Regiment of the UDAR UAVs:
Shershen
Adam
Karlsen
Terra
Skala
Madyar
Khartia
Kep
Seneka

WASP Legions:
Dudaev Battalion
Georgian Legion
Mansur Battalion
Shamil Battalion
Gonor
Normandy Legion

Most of these battalions have suffered more than 70% casualties just against PMC Wagner.


https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-52023-bakhmut-falls-artemov
sk


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Monday, May 22, 2023 3:59 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SITREP 5/20/23: Bakhmut Falls, Artemovsk Rises. What's Next?
Simplicius The Thinker
May 20, 2023

Indeed What's Next? Eight more years of war, judging by the Afghan–Soviet War.
Dec 24, 1979 – Feb 15, 1989

"What is it they really hope to gain with all this if it’s clear to anyone with even the remotest military knowledge that there’s simply no way possible for Ukraine to win?" - Simplicius The Thinker

Simplicius The Thinker is destined to have a rude awakening.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, May 22, 2023 9:18 AM


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Institute for the Study of War": The neocon Kagan-Nuland family disinfo project.

A known neocon liar (SECOND) quotes known neocons liars (ISW).

= more shitcan food!

SECOND: "Institute for the Study of War" says Russia is winning, so with Signym's upside-down thinking, Russia must be losing.


Dood, I don't give ISW enough credit to bother reading it, much less go into opposite-land over what they publish. It's shit-can material. Do YOU rummage in shitcans looking for edible tidbits? Apparently so!



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Monday, May 22, 2023 9:21 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Simplicius The Thinker is destined to have a rude awakening.


Simplicius can be awakened by facts. SECOND OTOH is so mentally moribund he may as well be in a coma. A self-induced one.


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