Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Quote:BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I saw a bunch of missiles being launched but not, apparently, intercepting anything. What would be the coup de grace would be if the launchers themselves were destroyed. (You can't launch a missile without a launcher) Or if a bunch of launchers (battery) along with their radar system (installation) went POOF!
Another possibility - altho not what happened in this case, AFAIK- would be to destroy missiles and launchers on the ground, or in the wharehouse.
SECOND: Kyiv said ....
BTW, it was the Patriot system that failed to stop Houthi drones from damaging a Saudi oil storage and loading facility.
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Russian State TV Issues Stark Warning Over Threat of Defeat
"If we lose, we're taking the whole world with us," Vladimir Solovyov said on the Russia 1 channel.
Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov has again invoked Armageddon on his TV show in which the consequences of a Russian defeat in Ukraine were discussed.
In a clip on his evening show on the Russia 1 channel, which was tweeted by journalist and Russia watcher Julia Davis, Solovyov listened to his guest Karen Shakhnazarov, a filmmaker, talk about how the war was now "a question of our destruction."
Shakhnazarov wondered whether Russian people fully understood "the gravity of the threat" that the war's outcome poses, and that the conflict was "a lot more complex and dangerous" than World War II.
He also described how modern Russian society was nothing like the one that existed in 1941 when Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union because there was no unifying ideology.
Contemporary Russians, in his view, had grown up consuming American culture and he said there were internal divisions in the country and a lack of younger people, which meant that older citizens were serving on the frontlines.
The war "is fateful for us," Shakhnazarov said, "our political elites have to realize this. We should start admitting that this is not simply a special military operation but a war. If we lose this war, we will disappear" like some Native American tribes which "have simply vanished." He went on to suggest that defeat for Moscow's forces in Ukraine would lead to books being written about "how Russia lost itself and Eurasia."
Solovyov chimed in to say he hoped Ukraine understood that "if we lose, we are taking the whole world with us."
"Let me remind you what the Supreme Commander said, 'who needs the world if Russia isn't in it?'" Solovyov said, referring to a quote by President Vladimir Putin.
The anchor then went on say that Russia should use its nuclear weapons, shed restrictions against testing and "convincingly demonstrate what we have."
Since the start of Putin's invasion, Solovyov has repeatedly said that Russia should draw on its nuclear weapons capability to strike against Western countries that back Ukraine. Last week, he said on his radio show Full Contact that "nuclear war is inevitable."
The threat of Russia using tactical nuclear weapons in the war in Ukraine has hung over the conflict since it started.
However, experts have said that Kyiv's demonstrated ability to shoot down six Kinzhal nuclear-capable hypersonic missiles fired by Russia this week could lessen the chances of Moscow considering an escalation from conventional weapons.
"We know that these missiles are neither hypersonic nor unstoppable," said Sergej Sumlenny, founder of the European Resilience Initiative Center, a German think tank.
"From this perspective, we should also analyze other Russian threats like nuclear threats. Are they really capable of hitting us?" he told Newsweek.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-solovyov-war-1800807
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Quote:Signym, where is the story that Patriot missiles were fired by Saudi Arabia and missed drones? I looked for this instance where Patriot missiles were used but failed to stop drones. It didn't happen, Signym, until you prove it happened by citing a particular story. Yes, there were drones, but no Patriot missiles. Just because Saudi Arabia owns missiles does not mean Saudi Arabia fired the missiles at the drones.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, it was the Patriot system that failed to stop Houthi drones from damaging a Saudi oil storage and loading facility.
Sept. 14, 2019, Two Major Saudi Oil Installations Hit by Drone Strike
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-refin
eries-drone-attack.html
Better late than never: August 2, 2022, Saudi Arabia buying missiles – PATRIOT MIM-104E Guidance Enhanced Missile-Tactical Ballistic Missiles (GEM-T) https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms-sales/kingdom-saudi-arabia
-ksa-patriot-air-defense-system-pac-3-enhancement
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Patriot Missiles have been used by Saudi Arabia since 1991. It's the Saudis only air defense system, and it has failed to protect Saudi Arabia from numerous drone and cruise missile attacks over many years.
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The Patriot missile story in Kiev
In sum, Kiev claimed (hoax warning!) that the Patriot missile system took down 6 of 6 Kinzhal missiles.
Meanwhile, as Kiev was claiming a miraculous score,
Russia said that Kiev doesn't know what missiles Russia fired, but that there were a lot fewer Kinzhals than Kiev claimed, and that the missile(s) that Russia fired against the Patriot system hit their target(s).
And to put a cap on Kiev's ridiculous claim, the Pentagon said that a Patriot installation had been "damaged".
Alex supposes, and it sure sounds plausible, that there is a big procurement up for air defenses using Patriot Missiles, and this whole sequence of events... the original claim that a Patriot missile brought down a Kinzhal missile, followed up by Kiev's ridiculous claim of 6 of 6 hypersonic missiles downed... was just one giant advert for Raytheon. And if it hadn't been for the video uploaded by bloggers we would all be none the wiser.
Oh, and apparently the bloggers who uploaded the video were arrested by the SBU.
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Quote:If those six Kinzhal missiles didn't hit six targets in Kyiv equivalent to the White House and the Capitol building and the Pentagon, those six missiles were misses. It is deer versus deer hunter in Ukraine. If the hunter (Russia) does NOT come back with meat, then the hunter missed the deer (Ukraine). Where is the meat?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Patriot Missiles have been used by Saudi Arabia since 1991. It's the Saudis only air defense system, and it has failed to protect Saudi Arabia from numerous drone and cruise missile attacks over many years.
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The Patriot missile story in Kiev
In sum, Kiev claimed (hoax warning!) that the Patriot missile system took down 6 of 6 Kinzhal missiles.
Meanwhile, as Kiev was claiming a miraculous score,
Russia said that Kiev doesn't know what missiles Russia fired, but that there were a lot fewer Kinzhals than Kiev claimed, and that the missile(s) that Russia fired against the Patriot system hit their target(s).
And to put a cap on Kiev's ridiculous claim, the Pentagon said that a Patriot installation had been "damaged".
Alex supposes, and it sure sounds plausible, that there is a big procurement up for air defenses using Patriot Missiles, and this whole sequence of events... the original claim that a Patriot missile brought down a Kinzhal missile, followed up by Kiev's ridiculous claim of 6 of 6 hypersonic missiles downed... was just one giant advert for Raytheon. And if it hadn't been for the video uploaded by bloggers we would all be none the wiser.
Oh, and apparently the bloggers who uploaded the video were arrested by the SBU.
The fabrication of one Kh-47 Kinzhal hypersonic missile costs about US$10 million.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-47M2_Kinzhal
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I’ve never seen the Kremlin so rattled
By Anna Nemtsova
May 17, 2023 at 7:15 a.m. EDT
Anna Nemtsova is a Daily Beast correspondent and a contributing writer for the Atlantic.
A mysterious drone attack on the Kremlin. A car bombing that wounded a key advocate of the invasion of Ukraine. Four military aircraft shot down in a single day — inside Russia’s borders.
If the Ukrainians and their allies wanted to rattle the Russian leadership, it’s working.
Never, in more than two decades of covering Vladimir Putin’s regime, have I seen it in such an obvious state of chaos and disarray. These days, Kremlin-watchers don’t have to read tea leaves or decode cryptic utterances from the leadership to spot the signs of intrigue — it’s all out in the open, thanks to Putin confidant Yevgeniy Prigozhin.
In one of several recent videos, Prigozhin, founder of the mercenary army known as the Wagner Group, stood over dead Russians in a field and cursed the Russian military leadership, demanding punishment for Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu as well as for Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov. He blamed the two men — both close Putin associates he accused of neglecting supplies for his troops — for “tens of thousands of Wagner dead and injured.”
Putin himself has yet to comment.
Top officials in Kyiv must have been rubbing their hands in glee. While the Kremlin is primarily to blame for its own troubles, given its obvious corruption and incompetence, the Ukrainians have been doing everything they can to undermine morale and exacerbate divisions among their enemies. A constant drumbeat of drone attacks on military bases, oil refineries and fuel depots has added to the sense of unraveling. (Officially, Kyiv does not acknowledge striking targets inside Russia. It’s also hard to determine whether some of the most mysterious attacks — such as the one on the Kremlin — were actually launched by Ukrainian forces.)
Just note how loudly and persistently the Ukrainians have been publicizing their plans for a spring counteroffensive. Good military planners don’t usually telegraph their intentions quite so openly.
But the Ukrainians have been here before. Last year, they spent weeks suggesting that they were preparing an attack somewhere in the country’s southeast — only to launch a stunningly successful offensive against Kharkiv in the north. Kyiv is doing its best to keep the Russians off balance once again.
Another Prigozhin tirade echoed that earlier disaster when he accused soldiers from the regular army of “fleeing” from the front in Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine, blaming the military command for “betraying the motherland.” (Meanwhile, Prigozhin himself is being accused of betrayal after a Post report revealed that he tried to trade information with Ukrainian authorities earlier in the war — for reasons that remain murky.) Moscow propagandists can’t even begin to address the stunning losses they’ve incurred since Putin launched his full-scale invasion last year. U.S. analysts recently estimated that the Russians have incurred 100,000 casualties since December alone.
No wonder Russian leaders are spooked. Earlier this month, as the country prepared to commemorate the Soviet Union’s 1945 triumph over Nazi Germany, one official made a revealing slip. Vyacheslav Gladkov, the governor of a region not far from the border with Ukraine, announced he was canceling the usual Victory Day parade — because he didn’t want “to provoke the enemy with a large number of equipment and military personnel in the city center.”
Putin’s own Victory Day celebration stood out for its subdued tone and the presence of only a single tank — a fact that gave the Ukrainians a welcome opening for mockery.
Russian political insiders are increasingly questioning the rationale for the war. Sen. Lyudmila Narusova, the widow of Putin’s political mentor Anatoly Sobchak, recently went public with her concerns.
“Nobody has explained how victory is supposed to look,” she told an interviewer. “If we think of the originally declared goals, ‘den
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Originally posted by second:
Anna Nemtsova is a Daily Beast correspondent and a contributing writer for the Atlantic.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Congrats though to Anna for surviving Daily Beast's first round of layoffs and having a backup side gig at The Atlantic... for now.
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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Quote:Oh, so now you're COMPLAINING that Russians don't fight like barbarians? Yanno, like the USA fights, bombing and destroying indiscriminately?
Originally posted by second:Quote:If those six Kinzhal missiles didn't hit six targets in Kyiv equivalent to the White House and the Capitol building and the Pentagon, those six missiles were misses. It is deer versus deer hunter in Ukraine. If the hunter (Russia) does NOT come back with meat, then the hunter missed the deer (Ukraine). Where is the meat?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Patriot Missiles have been used by Saudi Arabia since 1991. It's the Saudis only air defense system, and it has failed to protect Saudi Arabia from numerous drone and cruise missile attacks over many years.
*****
The Patriot missile story in Kiev
In sum, Kiev claimed (hoax warning!) that the Patriot missile system took down 6 of 6 Kinzhal missiles.
Meanwhile, as Kiev was claiming a miraculous score,
Russia said that Kiev doesn't know what missiles Russia fired, but that there were a lot fewer Kinzhals than Kiev claimed, and that the missile(s) that Russia fired against the Patriot system hit their target(s).
And to put a cap on Kiev's ridiculous claim, the Pentagon said that a Patriot installation had been "damaged".
Alex supposes, and it sure sounds plausible, that there is a big procurement up for air defenses using Patriot Missiles, and this whole sequence of events... the original claim that a Patriot missile brought down a Kinzhal missile, followed up by Kiev's ridiculous claim of 6 of 6 hypersonic missiles downed... was just one giant advert for Raytheon. And if it hadn't been for the video uploaded by bloggers we would all be none the wiser.
Oh, and apparently the bloggers who uploaded the video were arrested by the SBU.
The fabrication of one Kh-47 Kinzhal hypersonic missile costs about US$10 million.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-47M2_Kinzhal
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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US officials reported that a Patriot air defense system is operational after Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed that Russian missile strikes on Kyiv destroyed the system on May 16. CNN cited three US officials as stating that a Patriot air defense system is still operational despite the Russian MoD claims that a Kinzhal missile destroyed it.[8] An unidentified US defense official had previously told CNN that the Patriot system likely suffered damage, but three officials specified that the system suffered minimal damage that does not impede its operations.[9] Officials did not specify if Russian missiles or debris caused the damage.
The Kremlin reportedly accused three hypersonic missile scientists of treason. Employees of the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Mathematics of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Science published an open letter on May 15 in defense of three of their scientists — Anatoly Maslov, Alexander Shiplyuk, and Valery Zvegintsev — whom Russian authorities reportedly arrested in the past year under suspicion of committing “high treason.”[10] The open letter also noted that these arrests deter the younger generation from pursuing careers in science, which contributes to a decrease in the quality of scientific research. Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov claimed that the Kremlin was aware of the open letter and that Russian security services are involved.[11]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-17-2023
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Quote:If the Russians had hit Kyiv's equivalent of the White House/Lincoln Memorial/Jefferson Memorial/Washington's Monument with Russia's finest weapons, six Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, Russia would be demonstrating efficiency and competence at making war. There are stories of Russia demonstrating the opposite:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, so now you're COMPLAINING that Russians don't fight like barbarians? Yanno, like the USA fights, bombing and destroying indiscriminately?
“They abandoned their own”: a captured “Wagnerian” spoke about the “meat grinder” near Bakhmut
Antonina Dolomanzhi 21:06, 17.05.23
The losses of PMC “Wagner” are very large, said the captured mercenary.
The Ukrainian Defense Forces near Bakhmut captured one of the fighters from the PMC “Wagner”, who spoke about the significant losses of militants, the “meat grinder” at the front and executions for failure to comply with the order.
The video of the interrogation of the prisoner was published by the commander of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel-General Alexander Syrsky. The “Wagnerian” said that his name is Denis Vatrushev, he is from the Khanty-Mansiysk Okrug, he is 39 years old, and his wife is from Maryinka, which the Russian invaders almost razed to the ground.
According to him, in December 2022, he was recruited into the Wagner PMC from prison, where he was serving a sentence for premeditated murder. According to Vatrushev, he was promised that he would stand at checkpoints, and in 6 months he would be able to be free. Instead, they had to deal with the evacuation of the wounded from the battlefield.
He said that he lay wounded in a trench for four days and waited for evacuation, but was taken prisoner. “They abandoned me… they abandoned my own people… Their damn evacuation doesn’t work…”, the captive “Wagnerian” emphasized.
The Russian also spoke about the large number of dead “Wagnerites”, problems with food among the “Wagnerites” and executions for failure to comply with the order.
“If you do not follow the order, then the commander … simply “zeroes” you – shoots you, a bullet in the head … The losses in the Wagner are very large. There is a trench – they call it the “trench of death.” There is a corpse on the corpse … 300-400 people… On the way, even “200s” are not taken out, they cannot be taken out…, there is almost no evacuation…”, he added.
Russian military slang for killed is “200s” and injured is “300s”.
https://ukrainetoday.org/2023/05/17/they-abandoned-their-own-a-capture
d-wagnerian-spoke-about-the-meat-grinder-near-bakhmut-video/
After thought: war is more than destroying property and killing enemies. It is psychological -- to convince your enemy to surrender years before so much property and people are destroyed that the enemy cannot fight. That is why the Russians should hit Kyiv's equivalent of the White House/Lincoln Memorial/Jefferson Memorial/Washington's Monument with Russia's finest weapons, six Kinzhal hypersonic missiles.
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