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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Thursday, May 18, 2023 6:05 PM

Fuck Ukraine.

#Rootin4Putin

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Thursday, May 18, 2023 6:37 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck Ukraine.

#Rootin4Putin

The TV talking heads can repeat “no collusion” over and over, but Trump does keep saying all those complimentary things about Vladimir Putin, no matter what atrocities the Russian president commits. Some of the less anesthetized Republicans are bound to wonder: Why?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, May 19, 2023 2:38 AM

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SECOND: The TV talking heads can repeat “no collusion” over and over, but Trump does keep saying all those complimentary things about Vladimir Putin, no matter what atrocities the Russian president commits.
Only in your delusions. Just like "Trump Russia collusion" was a delusion.

There are many complimentary things to say about Putin, bc Putin is looking out for Russia's interests in a realistic way. Unlike Biden* who... well, IDK who he's representing bc it sure isn't Americans.

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$77 Billion sent to Ukraine

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-have-us-taxpayers-sent-200-billion
-ukraine-1796322

Probably more

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NYC building that once housed 'Brooklyn's hippest hotel' turned into migrants shelter https://t.co/8T1mfecEcr via @nypmetro >><> A shelter for illegal aliens – while at the same time homeless citizens, some hungry and mentally ill – get ZERO resources.


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Friday, May 19, 2023 3:07 AM

Meanwhile, back on topic (which SECOND persistently tries to derail)...

Russian missiles are striking far into western Ukraine, targeting foreign weapons warehouses, ammo dumps, air defenses and command centers.

THAT'S how you win a war. Not by targeting civilian administrative buildings.

Poor SECOND. So wrapped up in delusion.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Friday, May 19, 2023 3:43 AM

This comment was pointed out to me under

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Ukraine’s Suicidal Offensive is Bleeding Out While the CIA Loses Its Mind

Comment...
“Russians actually want this nazi offensive to happen, to destroy vast amounts of Ukranazistani equipment and manpower, which would allow freedom for a Russian offensive to develop. ”

Agreed. As I have noted in other comments, this is exactly what the Soviet trained Iraqis repeatedly did to the US trained Iranians in the Iran-Iraq War in the 80’s.

When the UAF launches its offensive expect:

1. Token resistance from the forward line of defense, followed by withdrawal in good order to the second line.
2. Stiffer resistance from the second line, followed by withdrawal in good order to the third line.
3. As the UAF advances into the salient, they enter a pre-planned and targeted kill zone,
4. 2 or 3 weeks of slaughter, 10’s of thousands of Ukrainian dead.
5. After the Ukrainian offensive is shattered, there may be an opportunity for a Russian breakthrough that could unhinge Ukraine’s entire defensive line in the Donbas.


https://sonar21.com/ukraines-suicidal-offensive-is-bleeding-out-while-
the-cia-loses-its-mind
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Friday, May 19, 2023 7:49 AM

Pentagon accounting error overvalued Ukraine weapons aid by $3 billion

Reuters reports:

The Pentagon overestimated the value of the ammunition, missiles and other equipment it sent to Ukraine by around $3 billion, a Senate aide and a defense official said on Thursday, an error that may lead the way for more weapons being sent to Kyiv for its defense against Russian forces.

The error was the result of assigning a higher than warranted value on weaponry that was taken from U.S. stocks and then shipped to Ukraine, two senior defense officials said on Thursday.

“We’ve discovered inconsistencies in how we value the equipment that we’ve given” to Ukraine one of the senior defense officials told Reuters. The officials and the Senate aide spoke on the condition of anonymity. Congress is being notified of the accounting adjustment on Thursday, the sources said.

The defense official said it is possible the amount of overvalued weaponry could grow beyond $3 billion as the Pentagon examines the situation more thoroughly.

In its accounting, the Pentagon used replacement cost to value the weapons aid, instead of the weaponry’s value when it was purchased and depreciated, the senior defense officials said.

Since August 2021, the United States has sent weapons valued at about $21.1 billion to Ukraine from its stockpiles.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pentagon-accounting-error-overval
ued-ukraine-aid-by-3-billion-sources-2023-05-18
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, May 19, 2023 8:00 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, back on topic (which SECOND persistently tries to derail)...

Russian missiles are striking far into western Ukraine, targeting foreign weapons warehouses, ammo dumps, air defenses and command centers.

THAT'S how you win a war. Not by targeting civilian administrative buildings.

Poor SECOND. So wrapped up in delusion.

Did you forget that the US firebombed Tokyo, the Capital of Japan? No nukes. Ordinary ordinance. Nothing was spared, except the Emperor, because he was needed by the US after WWII. Everything else burned. The equivalent would be to firebomb Kyiv, the Capital of Ukraine, except that Volodymyr Zelenskyy would not be spared because he is merely a President, not an Emperor, and the culture of Ukraine is not similar to Japan's. For some unknown reason, the Russians can't get their bombers over Kyiv. I wonder what is stopping them?

A more recent example? The US bombing Baghdad, the Capital of Iraq. Saddam Hussein's residences were not spared. That ended the Iraq War pretty damn quickly. Why don't the Russians try Shock and Awe? I wonder what is stopping them?

Shock and Awe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, May 19, 2023 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, back on topic (which SECOND persistently tries to derail)...

Russian missiles are striking far into western Ukraine, targeting foreign weapons warehouses, ammo dumps, air defenses and command centers.

THAT'S how you win a war. Not by targeting civilian administrative buildings.

Poor SECOND. So wrapped up in delusion.

Did you forget that the US firebombed Tokyo, the Capital of Japan? No nukes. Ordinary ordinance. Nothing was spared, except the Emperor, because he was needed by the US after WWII. Everything else burned. The equivalent would be to firebomb Kyiv, the Capital of Ukraine, except that Volodymyr Zelenskyy would not be spared because he is merely a President, not an Emperor, and the culture of Ukraine is not similar to Japan's. For some unknown reason, the Russians can't get their bombers over Kyiv. I wonder what is stopping them?

A more recent example? The US bombing Baghdad, the Capital of Iraq. Saddam Hussein's residences were not spared. That ended the Iraq War pretty damn quickly. Why don't the Russians try Shock and Awe? I wonder what is stopping them?

Shock and Awe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_and_awe

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Oh, you want Russia to go berserk, like you?

Scratch a virtue-signaller and find a sociopath.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Friday, May 19, 2023 5:18 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Oh, you want Russia to go berserk, like you?

Scratch a virtue-signaller and find a sociopath.

In Ukraine, Russia is repeating WWII as if the Eastern Front was a big success rather than a huge slaughter of Russians by Russians. If Russia does not change its ineffective methods carried over from 1940-1945, Russia will kill many millions of Russians before the Ukrainian War is all over, assuming this new war is allowed by Western powers to run as the old war did in WWII. (FDR and Churchill were horrified at how wasteful Stalin was with Russian lives but could do nothing.) Unfortunately, Signym has denied that Russians lacked finesse in WWII and are no better today:

The Soviet people were under attack from two directions: the Nazi military machine and the Soviet Communist Party. The imprisonment and killing of enemies of the people by the party not only continued during the war, but was intensified. A large number of the Soviet World War II dead were killed by Stalin, not Hitler — probably 10,000,000 more. Had Ripley written a “Believe It or Not” of incredible tales of murder and death, the two-front war suffered by Soviet citizens and foreigners subject to Soviet occupation surely would provide prominent entries.

As the Red Army retreated before Nazi invasion forces, the NKVD often tried to deport prisoners east before the Nazis arrived. In some cases prisoners were beaten and shot in death marches along the roads or, if evacuation were impossible or too difficult, prisoners were shot en masse in the prisons,15 whether pickpockets, crooks, black marketeers, or political prisoners. For example, they were shot as prisons were evacuated in Tallin, Smolensk, Kiev, Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, and Orel; in Tartu at least 192 prisoners were killed.16 Upon the approach of German forces, all in Minsk’s prison were killed. It held about 10,000 inmates, although constructed for 1,000.17 All prisoners doing forced labor at a mining complex near Nalchik were machine gunned to death. At the Olginskaya camp, more than 2,000 of those sentenced for over four years were shot.18 And in the Ukraine:

In the majority of prisons NKVD troops shot all inmates who had been sentenced to more than three years. In some towns the NKVD burned prisons with all their inmates. According to Ukrainian sources, 10,000 prisoners were shot in Lvov, Zolochevo, Rovno, Dubno, Lutsk, and other cities.19

In all, perhaps 80,000 Ukrainians were massacred during the Red Army retreat.20

Now, one’s mind can soon become dulled by all the figures being given here; one can read about 80,000 Ukrainians murdered but not absorb this magnitude. But consider: more Ukrainians were apparently murdered in this retreat than all the Englishmen killed (70,000) by all the Nazi bombs dropped on England during the war;21 it is more than all the American Marine and Navy battle-dead in all theaters of action in World War II (56,683);22 it is virtually equal to all the American battle dead in the Korean and Vietnam wars together (80,950).
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From the book Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
Download the free book from https://libgen.unblockit.asia/search.php?req=R.+J.+Rummel

https://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Politics-Soviet-Genocide-Murder-ebook/dp
/B073RQ94KF
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, May 19, 2023 5:28 PM

Ukrainian officials indicated that Ukrainian forces have seized the battlefield initiative in the Bakhmut area. Cherevaty stated on May 18 that Ukrainian forces regained the battlefield initiative and are forcing Russian forces to respond to Ukrainian actions, including by transferring Russian Airborne (VDV) elements to Bakhmut’s flanks to defend against the Ukrainian advances.[4] Malyar stated that Russian forces have deployed most of their reserves to the Bakhmut area, very likely to the detriment of other areas of the frontline.[5]

Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin admitted on May 18 that Wagner mercenaries are unable to encircle the Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut due to the loss of stable flanks north and south of Bakhmut. Prigozhin accused the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) of losing advantageous positions after MoD-subordinated units retreated from their positions on Bakhmut’s flanks necessary for an encirclement.[11] Prigozhin and Wagner sources have long indicated Wagner’s intent to encircle Bakhmut and trap Ukrainian forces but proved unable to do so after the Ukrainian military command decided to defend the city. ISW had previously assessed that Russian forces were unlikely to encircle Bakhmut after Wagner forces made several rapid breakthroughs north, south, and east of the city in winter-spring 2023.[12] Prigozhin likely anticipated that Ukrainian forces would entirely withdraw from Bakhmut out of fear of imminent encirclement and even offered to allow President Volodymyr Zelensky to withdraw Ukrainian forces from the city on March 3.[13] The Ukrainian defensive operation, however, prioritized the defense of the Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) west of Bakhmut, which forced Wagner forces into urban warfare and grinding directly through the city itself. Prigozhin’s admission further supports Ukrainian officials’ statements that Wagner is losing the initiative on the battlefield.

Prigozhin and Wagner-affiliated milbloggers are blaming Russian conventional forces for military failures in and around Bakhmut. Prigozhin directly appealed to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the Russian General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov to hold Sakko i Vantsetti for at least few more days.[14] Prigozhin also blamed Gerasimov for the retreats of Russian conventional forces from Bakhmut‘s flanks.[15]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-may-18-2023


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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