Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Quote:Wagner Group founder Yevgeny Prigozhin suggested Russia may have shot down its own aircraft near the Ukrainian border. Ukrainian Air Force spokesperson Colonel Yurii Ihnat also said during a Sunday appearance on Ukrainian television that Russia's own air defenses may be responsible for the downed aircraft.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I heard about the four lost Russian military aricraft, but been too busy to read in detail.
https://www.newsweek.com/wagner-founder-thinks-russia-shot-down-its-ow
n-aircraft-1800201
It is NOT absurd that Russia would shoot down the wrong aircraft. For example: Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down over Ukraine by a Russian-made surface-to-air missile, fired by Moscow-backed separatists. All 298 people, most of whom were Dutch, died in the crash. Russia has denied responsibility for the disaster, though the Dutch government claims it played a key role.
The case may result in Russia being obliged to pay damages to victims' families, but Moscow is unlikely to accept this verdict and be forthcoming with support. Russia was among the 47 countries to sign up to the European Court of Human Rights, which is designed to protect human rights and basic freedoms in Europe, but left in September 2022 due to tensions with the West over Ukraine.
https://www.euronews.com/2023/01/25/case-against-russia-over-downing-o
f-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-can-go-ahead-court-rules
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Prigozhin has spent the last month+ trash-talking the Russian MoD.
But what goes around comes around: WaPo has an article claiming that Prigozhin offered to give Kiev the locations of Russia's forces in exchange for w/drawal from Bakhmut. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/14/prigozhin-
wagner-ukraine-leaked-documents/
I think the guy needs a long, long vacation. He's not a military man and after having bonded with his forces, but without the military command training that desensitizes commanders to the inevitable loss of their soldiers, my guess is that Prigozhin is suffering from PTSD.
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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
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Quote:You missed the point. The Ukrainians are NOT taking credit for shooting down those Russian aircraft. The Ukrainians also did NOT take credit for shooting down flight MH17. (The Dutch government picked up all the pieces of MH17 and came to the conclusion in court that Russia did it.) If Ukraine didn't do it, who does that leave? It leaves the Russians shooting down their own aircraft and, many years earlier, shooting down MH17, but Russia is still denying MH17.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Prigozhin has spent the last month+ trash-talking the Russian MoD.
But what goes around comes around: WaPo has an article claiming that Prigozhin offered to give Kiev the locations of Russia's forces in exchange for w/drawal from Bakhmut. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/14/prigozhin-
wagner-ukraine-leaked-documents/
I think the guy needs a long, long vacation. He's not a military man and after having bonded with his forces, but without the military command training that desensitizes commanders to the inevitable loss of their soldiers, my guess is that Prigozhin is suffering from PTSD.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Kiev lies about everything. They take credit for bringing down more missiles than Russia ever launches, but refuse to take credit for terrorist attacks on Russia proper. They even refused to officially take credit for damaging the Kerch bridge, even tho they did everything but.
That's probably because the USA has told Kiev not to admit to attacking Russia proper.
And that's probably bc it would give Russia the excuse to launch a full-scale war instead of an SMO.
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Where is Zaluzhny? He seems to be MIA. And Zelenskiy has been taking extended tours of ... anywhere but Ukraine.
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With what little time I spend on the topic I do a lot better job than you at sussing out a situation. You seem to be permanently MIA, mentally.
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Russia Says It Took Out US-Supplied Patriot Missile In Hypersonic Strike On Kiev
Russia's military may have taken out a US-supplied Patriot anti-air battery in Ukraine, which if true would be a very significant first since the advanced Raytheon-made defense weapon was deployed there.
This came as Ukrainian officials have cited an exceptionally dense attack on Kyiv overnight, which included cruise missiles and drones, and even allegedly Kinzhal hypersonic missiles. Ukraine was hit by at least 18 missiles and nine drones were sent, with media reports saying some six ballistic missiles (including Kinzhal) were launched. But the Ukrainians are claiming that most or all of them were intercepted.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-it-took-out-us-supp
lied-patriot-missile-unit-hypersonic-strike-kiev
Saw Kiev's Patriot(?) battery firing away on Twitter. So many missiles launched I lost count.
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General Richard Barrons: There's a lot of fighting to come at the cost of terrible destruction. But the most likely outcome is one of exhaustion and stalemate followed by profound disagreement for as long as you can imagine. And we may be staring at an outcome where you can't count [on] the war as being over for decades.
RFE/RL: That's an even bleaker prediction than the earlier one of yours, when you said that this war might last until 2025. And if, indeed, we need to be bracing ourselves for such a long war, let me ask you whose side is time on strategically?
Barrons: The question of who prevails is one of choice. From the Western perspective, it has always been absolutely clear that Ukraine can be supported to achieve an outcome that Ukraine is content with, provided the West mobilizes a relatively small fraction of its money and its industry.
Because Ukraine wins, or prevails, or at least it doesn't lose, so long as it is connected to money, at about $6 billion a month, and [the] Western defense industry to supply the weapons and ammunition and other equipment and stores that Ukraine needs to equip a mobilized society with. And if the West continues to choose to provide that support -- and let's be absolutely clear, that support is a very small fraction of the economic power of the West, so it is a matter of choice -- yes, there's a cost. But it's a very small percentage of the economic wealth of the West. If the West does that and Ukraine retains the will to fight, it can keep fighting.
From the Russian perspective, well, Russia is mobilizing its society more and more and reenergizing its defense industry, which employs around 2 million people. So, it's a very big enterprise. And Russia believes that it has the money, the will, and the social control, and the industry to outlast the West's will to continue.
And no one really knows the outcome of that. The Russian offensive...has been a surprise for its continuing lack of, essentially, professional competence.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-war-general-barrons-interview-tavberid
ze/32359148.html
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Russia Says It Took Out US-Supplied Patriot Missile In Hypersonic Strike On Kiev
Lol at this title - they are interceptor missiles, they're supposed to get "taken out".
Russia also "took out" 5 Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles at the weekend... with its planes and helicopters
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I saw a bunch of missiles being launched but not, apparently, intercepting anything. What would be the coup de grace would be if the launchers themselves were destroyed. (You can't launch a missile without a launcher) Or if a bunch of launchers (battery) along with their radar system (installation) went POOF!
Another possibility - altho not what happened in this case, AFAIK- would be to destroy missiles and launchers on the ground, or in the wharehouse.
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Originally posted by K2PO:
Russia also "took out" 5 Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles at the weekend... with its planes and helicopters
That's what your face did to all the branches on the ugly tree when you were falling down it.
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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
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Quote:Kyiv said air defences intercepted six Kinzhal hypersonic missiles, which Russia has claimed can overcome all existing air defence systems.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I saw a bunch of missiles being launched but not, apparently, intercepting anything. What would be the coup de grace would be if the launchers themselves were destroyed. (You can't launch a missile without a launcher) Or if a bunch of launchers (battery) along with their radar system (installation) went POOF!
Another possibility - altho not what happened in this case, AFAIK- would be to destroy missiles and launchers on the ground, or in the wharehouse.
Russia denies its Kinzhals were stopped and said one destroyed** a US-supplied Patriot air defence system.
On Tuesday evening Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu said Moscow had not fired as many of the Kinzhal missiles as Kyiv had claimed to have shot down.
Russia continues to insist that the missiles, which it says can travel at more than 11,000kmh (7,000mph), cannot be destroyed by any of the world's air defence systems.
During Tuesday's barrage footage showed air defences destroying targets over the city.
Kyiv resident Kseniia told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that she and her husband were asleep when they heard a "series of very loud explosions" above their building. She compared the intensity of the attack to a Star Wars film or an action video game.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65606385
** A US-made Patriot air defense system was likely damaged, but not destroyed, as the result of a Russian missile barrage in and around Kyiv early Tuesday morning local time, a US official tells CNN. The US is still assessing to what degree the system was damaged, the official said. That will determine whether the system needs to be pulled back entirely or simply repaired on the spot by Ukrainians forces. Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Tuesday in a post on Telegram that “a high-precision strike by the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system in the city of Kyiv hit a US-made Patriot anti-aircraft missile system.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/16/politics/patriot-missile-damage-ukraine
/index.html
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