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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Friday, April 21, 2023 7:03 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Ukraine isn't at war with Russia. USA and NATO are. Your masters are just propagandizing them and making them march to their death for you.

Consider yourself lucky that you don't live in a country that shares a border with somebody the Pentagon is at war with or you'd have already mindlessly marched to your own death for no good goddamned reason and you wouldn't be able to post your dumb shit here everyday.

well, yanno... SECOND was inveigled into joining up for Vietnam. (If you can believe his posts.)

I guess he doesn't want to be the only to be fooled!

Ukraine was invaded by Russia. Russians killed millions of Ukrainians during Holodomor https://holodomor.ca/resource/holodomor-basic-facts/
And the Russians would kill millions more nowadays. Signym and 6ix, do you now understand why Ukrainians fight Russians?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THG
Friday, April 21, 2023 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

As usual, you (and the media you plagiarize) misquote, take out of context, exaggerate, and lie.

Yanno, just like your posts about "Trumptards", "6IX" and "Russian troll" are sheer malicious lies.

I interpret your posts as the bullshit that they are.

Have a nice day








Hey comrade. This isn’t rocket science. Things are happening, the media is reporting it, and you and Jack say the opposite. That makes you a moron, simple. A Mike Lyndall, Rudy Giuliani, and Fox news type moron. You prove that with every post.

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Saturday, April 22, 2023 1:34 AM


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As usual, you (and the media you plagiarize) misquote, take out of context, exaggerate, and lie.
Yanno, just like your posts about "Trumptards", "6IX" and "Russian troll" are sheer malicious lies.
I interpret your posts as the bullshit that they are.
Have a nice day



THUGR: Hey comrade. This isn’t rocket science. Things are happening, the media is reporting it, and you and Jack say the opposite. That makes you a moron, simple. A Mike Lyndall, Rudy Giuliani, and Fox news type moron. You prove that with every post.

Yanno, one of us should face a big climb-down, and I don't think it's going to be me.



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Saturday, April 22, 2023 3:43 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yanno, one of us should face a big climb-down, and I don't think it's going to be me.

You have been touting the inevitable Russian Victory in Bakhmut for months. There is a reason why Victory has been delayed for so long, Signym, and it is not for the reasons you give. Victory is delayed because of the poor quality of Russian soldiers:

‘A quick death or a slow death’: Russian prisoners choose war to get lifesaving drugs

An estimated 20 percent of Russia prisoner recruits are H.I.V. positive. To some, the front lines seemed less risky than prisons where they said they were denied effective treatments.

In Russian prisons, they said they were deprived of effective treatments for their H.I.V. On the battlefield in Ukraine, they were offered hope, with the promise of anti-viral medications if they agreed to fight.

It was a recruiting pitch that worked for many Russian prisoners.

About 20 percent of recruits in Russian prisoner units are H.I.V. positive, Ukrainian authorities estimate based on infection rates in captured soldiers. Serving on the front lines seemed less risky than staying in prison, the detainees said in interviews with The New York Times.

“Conditions were very harsh” in Russian prison, said Timur, 37, an H.I.V.-positive Russian soldier interviewed at a detention site in the city of Dnipro in central Ukraine, and identified only by a first name, worried that he would face retaliation if he returned to Russia in a prisoner swap.

After he was sentenced to 10 years for drug dealing, the doctors in the Russian prison changed the anti-viral medication he had been taking to control H.I.V. to types he feared were not effective, Timur said.

He said he did not think he could survive a decade in Russian prison with H.I.V. In December, he agreed to serve six months in the Wagner mercenary group in exchange for a pardon and supplies of anti-viral medications.

“I understood I would have a quick death or a slow death,” he said of choosing between poor H.I.V. treatment in prison and participating in assaults in Russia’s war in Ukraine. “I chose a quick death.”

Timur had no military experience and was provided two weeks of training before deployment to the front, he said. He was issued a Kalashnikov rifle, 120 bullets, an armored vest and a helmet for the assault. Before sending the soldiers forward, he said, commanders “repeated many times, ‘if you try to leave this field, we will shoot you.’”

Soldiers in his platoon, he said, were sent on a risky assault, waves of soldiers with little chance of survival sent into battle on the outskirts of the eastern city of Bakhmut. Most were killed on their first day of combat. Timur was captured.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20230422012601/https://www.nytimes.com/202
3/04/21/world/europe/russia-wagner-group-hiv-prisoners-ukraine.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 23, 2023 4:21 PM

Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin is likely attempting to persuade Russian President Vladimir Putin to go over to the defensive ahead of a potential Ukrainian counteroffensive.

Prigozhin is also advocating for Russia to focus on holding the current frontlines rather than seeking more gains so that Russian forces can regain their combat effectiveness for later offensive operations. Prigozhin is not arguing for Russia to end the war and negotiate with Ukraine and the West as some Russian and Western sources reported, as ISW previously observed, but is instead condemning the faction within the Kremlin that is hoping to end the war in negotiations.[7] Prigozhin is actually arguing that Russia needs to meet the upcoming Ukrainian counteroffensive at full strength and try to hold the current frontlines without ending the war or entering into peace negotiations.[8] He argues that a pause after the Ukrainian attack culminates would allow Russia to regain combat power and build nationalist support within the Russian society for renewing the fight even in the event of a defeat.[9] Prigozhin is also attempting to redefine and undermine some of Putin’s key maximalist goals in Ukraine—namely the “denazification” and “demilitarization” of Ukraine—likely to minimize the informational impact that might result from going over to the defensive and abandoning efforts to gain more ground now.[10] Russian far-right paramilitary formation Rusich (Sabotage Assault Reconnaissance Group), which facilitates recruitment of Russian ultranationalist and irregular forces, echoed Prigozhin’s rejection of the “denazification” and “demilitarization” goals.[11] Rusich noted that Russia is fighting Ukraine to avenge Donbas, for living space, and for combat experience—rather than fighting claimed Ukrainian “fascism” and “Nazism.” By reframing Putin’s goals, Prigozhin and some factions within the ultranationalist community may be attempting to condition the Russian domestic information space for the prospect of frozen frontlines, potentially near the initial lines of February 23, 2022.

The Russian military command is likely attempting to convince Putin to turn to defensive operations as well—but may be unable to bluntly deliver this message to Putin.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-april-22-2023


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 23, 2023 4:47 PM

Timothy Snyder: The Making of Modern Ukraine.

Class 23. The Colonial - the Post-Colonial - the Global

Start at 27 minutes if you are short on time. This is the last of 23 videos.

Class 23 brings the effects of the past century of imperialism into sharp focus. Ukraine was the country most touched by Soviet and Nazi terror: what can we learn about those systems, then, from Ukraine?



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, April 23, 2023 7:31 PM

The Sun also interviewed former US General Ben Hodges. The retired US Army officer, a former commander of the US Army Europe, was skeptical that a victory for Ukraine in Bakhmut was the only necessity for the country's troops.

"Ukraine could kill every Russian soldier within 200 miles of Bakhmut, and it wouldn't change the strategic situation," Hodges told The Sun. He said a push to recapture Crimea was the "decisive terrain" in the conflict. Crimea was invaded and illegally annexed by Putin's regime in 2014.

"Ukraine knows that it will never be safe without taking back Crimea," Hodges told the news outlet.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/ukraine-is-aiming-to-launch-a-big-bang-
style-counter-offensive-in-order-to-break-stalemated-war-says-military-expert
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 24, 2023 2:06 AM

"And I want a pony, and a unicorn, and I want to be an astronaut and...."

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"We are thankful to our allies for their military help. But: it is not enough," Melnik tweeted Saturday.

He said, "Ukraine needs 10 times more to finish Russian aggression this year." The official called on Western partners "to cross all artificial red lines & devote 1% of GDP for weapons deliveries




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Monday, April 24, 2023 4:56 PM

Ukraine: The Haze of Propaganda | Timothy Snyder | March 1, 2014

https://www.nybooks.com/online/2014/03/01/ukraine-haze-propaganda/

From Moscow to London to New York, the Ukrainian revolution has been seen through a haze of propaganda. Russian leaders and the Russian press have insisted that Ukrainian protesters were right-wing extremists and then that their victory was a coup. Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yanukovych, used the same clichés after a visit with the Russian president at Sochi. After his regime was overturned, he maintained he had been ousted by “right-wing thugs,” a claim echoed by the armed men who seized control of airports and government buildings in the southern Ukrainian district of Crimea on Friday.

Interestingly, the message from authoritarian regimes in Moscow and Kiev was not so different from some of what was written during the uprising in the English-speaking world, especially in publications of the far left and the far right. From Lyndon LaRouche’s Executive Intelligence Review through Ron Paul’s newsletter through The Nation and The Guardian, the story was essentially the same: little of the factual history of the protests, but instead a play on the idea of a nationalist, fascist, or even Nazi coup d’état.

In fact, it was a classic popular revolution. It began with an unmistakably reactionary regime. A leader sought to gather all power, political as well as financial, in his own hands. This leader came to power in democratic elections, to be sure, but then altered the system from within. For example, the leader had been a common criminal: a rapist and a thief. He found a judge who was willing to misplace documents related to his case. That judge then became the chief justice of the Supreme Court. There were no constitutional objections, subsequently, when the leader asserted ever more power for his presidency.

In power, this leader, this president, remained a thief, but now on a grand, perhaps even unsurpassed, scale. Throughout his country millions of small businessmen and businesswomen found it impossible to keep their firms afloat, thanks to the arbitrary demands of tax authorities. Their profits were taken by the state, and the autonomy that those profits might have given them were denied. Workers in the factories and mines had no means whatsoever of expression their own distress, since any attempt at a strike or even at labor organization would simply have led to their dismissal.

The country, Ukraine, was in effect an oligarchy, where much of the wealth was in the hands of people who could fit in one elevator. But even this sort of pluralism, the presence of more than one very rich person, was too much for the leader, Viktor Yanukovych. He wanted to be not only the president but the oligarch-in-chief. His son, a dentist, was suddenly one of the wealthiest men in Europe. Tens of billions of dollars simply disappeared from the state budget. Yanukovych built for himself a series of extravagant homes, perhaps the ugliest in architectural history.

It is hard to have all of the power and all of the money at the same time, because power comes from the state, and the state has to have a budget. If a leader steals so much from the people that the state goes bankrupt, then his power is diminished. Yanukovych actually faced this problem last year. And so, despite everything, he became vulnerable, in a very curious way. He needed someone to finance the immediate debts of the Ukrainian state so that his regime would not fall along with it.

Struggling to pay his debts last year, the Ukrainian leader had two options. The first was to begin trade cooperation with the European Union. No doubt an association agreement with the EU would have opened the way for loans. But it also would have meant the risk of the application of the rule of law within Ukraine. The other alternative was to take money from another authoritarian regime, the great neighbor to the east, the Russian Federation.

In December of last year, the leader of this neighboring authoritarian regime, Vladimir P

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Monday, April 24, 2023 5:30 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"And I want a pony, and a unicorn, and I want to be an astronaut and...."

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"We are thankful to our allies for their military help. But: it is not enough," Melnik tweeted Saturday.

He said, "Ukraine needs 10 times more to finish Russian aggression this year." The official called on Western partners "to cross all artificial red lines & devote 1% of GDP for weapons deliveries


Spending 1% of GDP on defense might seem too high for now, but spending 100% when the Russians attack your country seems just the right amount. Signym, I expect you will claim that Putin will not attack. Too bad for you but he means it:

MOSCOW, Feb 21 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday delivered a warning to the West over Ukraine by suspending a landmark nuclear arms control treaty, announcing that new strategic systems had been put on combat duty, and threatening to resume nuclear tests.

"The elites of the West do not hide their purpose. But they also cannot fail to realize that it is impossible to defeat Russia on the battlefield," he told his country's political and military elite.

Alleging that the United States was turning the war into a global conflict, Putin said Russia was suspending participation in the New START treaty, its last major arms control treaty with Washington.

The Russian leader said, without citing evidence, that some in Washington were considering breaking a moratorium on nuclear testing.

"... if the United States conducts tests, then we will. No one should have dangerous illusions that global strategic parity can be destroyed," Putin said.

"A week ago, I signed a decree on putting new ground-based strategic systems on combat duty."

It was not immediately clear which systems he meant.

Putin, who has over the past year repeatedly hinted that Russia could use a nuclear weapon if threatened, was in effect saying that he could dismantle the architecture of nuclear arms control unless the West backs off in Ukraine.

"The people of Ukraine have become the hostage of the Kyiv regime and its Western overlords, who have effectively occupied this country in the political, military and economic sense," he said.

Speaking for an hour and 45 minutes below a large two-headed Russian eagle crest, and flanked by eight tricolour Russian flags, Putin vowed that Moscow would achieve its aims in Ukraine and thwart the U.S.-led NATO alliance in the process.

"They intend to transform a local conflict into a phase of global confrontation," he said. "This is exactly how we understand it all and we will react accordingly, because in this case we are talking about the existence of our country." Putin made a BIG reversal of the truth when he said that out loud because Russia's existence is NOT threatened, but Russia is truthfully threatening Ukraine's existence. All those Russian troops in Ukraine and all the damage Russians have done to Ukraine reveal who is threatening who with annihilation/extinction/non-existence.

More at https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-update-russias-elite-ukraine-war-m
ajor-speech-2023-02-21
/

Signym, do your magic trick where you turn the plain and obvious meaning of Putin's speech upside down and backward so that Russia is not threatening to nuke the West, despite obviously threatening to nuke the West, unless the West gives Putin all of Ukraine.

I'm guessing that Putin thinks he can say in Russian that he will destroy the West and his ambassadors can say in English that was not what Putin meant and nobody in the West who speaks both Russian and English will be alarmed by the fatal contradictions.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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