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Thursday, April 13, 2023 4:58 PM

Vladimir Kara-Murza’s last statement to Russian court: A reckoning will come

At the closing session of his trial in Moscow, Vladimir Kara-Murza** delivered these remarks:

Members of the court: I was sure, after two decades spent in Russian politics, after all that I have seen and experienced, that nothing can surprise me anymore. I must admit that I was wrong. I’ve been surprised by the extent to which my trial, in its secrecy and its contempt for legal norms, has surpassed even the “trials” of Soviet dissidents in the 1960s and ’70s. And that’s not even to mention the harshness of the sentence requested by the prosecution or the talk of “enemies of the state.” In this respect, we’ve gone beyond the 1970s — all the way back to the 1930s. For me, as a historian, this is an occasion for reflection.

At one point during my testimony, the presiding judge reminded me that one of the extenuating circumstances was “remorse for what [the accused] has done.” And although there is little that’s amusing about my present situation, I could not help smiling: The criminal, of course, must repent of his deeds. I’m in jail for my political views. For speaking out against the war in Ukraine. For many years of struggle against Vladimir Putin’s dictatorship. For facilitating the adoption of personal international sanctions under the Magnitsky Act against human rights violators.

Not only do I not repent of any of this, I am proud of it. I am proud that Boris Nemtsov brought me into politics. And I hope that he is not ashamed of me. I subscribe to every word that I have spoken and every word of which I have been accused by this court. I blame myself for only one thing: that over the years of my political activity I have not managed to convince enough of my compatriots and enough politicians in the democratic countries of the danger that the current regime in the Kremlin poses for Russia and for the world. Today this is obvious to everyone, but at a terrible price — the price of war.

In their last statements to the court, defendants usually ask for an acquittal. For a person who has not committed any crimes, acquittal would be the only fair verdict. But I do not ask this court for anything. I know the verdict. I knew it a year ago when I saw people in black uniforms and black masks running after my car in the rearview mirror. Such is the price for speaking up in Russia today.

But I also know that the day will come when the darkness over our country will dissipate. When black will be called black and white will be called white; when at the official level it will be recognized that two times two is still four; when a war will be called a war, and a usurper a usurper; and when those who kindled and unleashed this war, rather than those who tried to stop it, will be recognized as criminals.

This day will come as inevitably as spring follows even the coldest winter. And then our society will open its eyes and be horrified by what terrible crimes were committed on its behalf. From this realization, from this reflection, the long, difficult but vital path toward the recovery and restoration of Russia, its return to the community of civilized countries, will begin.

Even today, even in the darkness surrounding us, even sitting in this cage, I love my country and believe in our people. I believe that we can walk this path.

https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2023/04/12/vladimir-kara-murzas-last-
statement-to-russian-court-a-reckoning-will-come
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** Vladimir Kara-Murza is a Russian opposition politician and Post contributor who has been imprisoned in Moscow since April for speaking out against the war on Ukraine. He has been designated by Amnesty International as a prisoner of conscience.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Thursday, April 13, 2023 6:12 PM

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Originally posted by second:
The Most Shocking Thing About This American Reporter’s Arrest in Russia

“Journalism is not a crime,” a State Department spokesman said of the young reporter’s arrest.

Unless you're Julian Assange. And then you will be held in a foreign jail (UK) on bogus charges (Sweden), and once THOSE charges are dropped you'll STILL be held, in maximum security, awaiting extradition to yet another country (USA).

Do these people even HEAR themselves?

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Thursday, April 13, 2023 7:42 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The Most Shocking Thing About This American Reporter’s Arrest in Russia

“Journalism is not a crime,” a State Department spokesman said of the young reporter’s arrest.

Unless you're Julian Assange. And then you will be held in a foreign jail (UK) on bogus charges (Sweden), and once THOSE charges are dropped you'll STILL be held, in maximum security, awaiting extradition to yet another country (USA).

Do these people even HEAR themselves?



Right?

It is beyond frustrating.

I can't even believe we're in the same genus, let alone species as these people.

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Thursday, April 13, 2023 9:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The Most Shocking Thing About This American Reporter’s Arrest in Russia

“Journalism is not a crime,” a State Department spokesman said of the young reporter’s arrest.

Unless you're Julian Assange. And then you will be held in a foreign jail (UK) on bogus charges (Sweden), and once THOSE charges are dropped you'll STILL be held, in maximum security, awaiting extradition to yet another country (USA).

Do these people even HEAR themselves?

You have heard of Whataboutism? One of the favorite tactics of Russians? Never mind about Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich falsely arrested by Russians, but whatabout the crank Assange, the make-believe journalist? Ecuador lost patience with Assange's mental illness, bizarre self-delusions, and obnoxiousness, and turned him over to the police. But whatabout Assange? What about him? What about him? Assange is every bit as crazy a human being as Signym and 6ix are.

Apr 11, 2019: Julian Assange, Insane Homeless Man, being dragged from the Ecuadorian embassy



It has been four years but the lawyers cannot decide between releasing Assange or extraditing him. The dizzy lawyers go back and forth, unable to make a decision. The judge should flip a coin and let Assange's lawyer call heads or tails to decide where to send their client. Don't let Assange be there because no decision will be made while Assange, once again, makes even a coin flip into a circus of extended litigation.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 13, 2023 9:58 PM

You dipshits loved Assange before he came after your beloved serial-murderer Hillary.

Get fucked, retard.

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Thursday, April 13, 2023 11:17 PM

Yep, SECOND, WHAT ABOUT OUR COUNTRY?

I mean, why do you clutch your pearls and shriek about RUSSIA!RUSSIA! but manage to ignore trampled freedoms in OUR country? Yanno, our nation that "promotes democracy and freedom"?

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Friday, April 14, 2023 3:35 AM

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Yep, SECOND, WHAT ABOUT OUR COUNTRY?

I mean, why do you clutch your pearls and shriek about RUSSIA!RUSSIA! but manage to ignore trampled freedoms in OUR country? Yanno, our nation that "promotes democracy and freedom"?

I am very familiar with citizens who voted for Trump or continue to defend him. They were shouting lunatics before Trump got into politics. They struggle in life because they were always highly defective individuals attracted to defective politicians. They've got problems that they richly deserve because of how crooked and stupid and rotten they are as living examples of Matthew 7:3-5

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, April 14, 2023 3:37 AM

Russian TV Suggests Finland, Poland, Baltics Want to Rejoin 'Mother Russia'

Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov looked back to centuries past in claiming that Moscow's European neighbors wish to "rejoin the Russian empire."

On his evening show on the Russia 1 channel, Solovyov first said the "main Russophobes" are Poland and the Baltic nations.

"They have formed an alliance of the resentful former provinces liberated in vain by the Russian empire and say that they now have an alliance, they are now all together, Poland, the Baltics, the Finns. And Romania has been dragged into it," he said.

Solovyov harked back to this era of the Russian monarchy in asking whether the countries' real hope was for "Mother Russia to bring us back home?" as he cited comments from one of his panelists, RT editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan, who has regularly railed against the West.

"So they want to rejoin the Russian empire in a complicated way," he said, adding that Finland and Poland "were developing fine when they were part of the Russian empire."

"They emerged as a more or less cultured nations, the culture as such had developed," he said. "Well Poland is a much more complicated case, but Finland for sure."

Solovyov has repeatedly used his evening show to pitch the Kremlin's invasion of Ukraine as a war between Moscow and NATO and has regularly called for nuclear strikes on Western countries that support Kyiv.

However last week, his comments calling for the use of thermobaric weapons on Ukrainian cities were too much for one of his guests.

Political analyst Vasyl Vakarov shook his head after hearing Solovyov suggest using the weapons that use oxygen to create a high-temperature explosion before igniting a second charge.

"I think there has to be another way, this is wrong," Vakarov said.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-mother-finland-poland-baltics-solovyov
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Friday, April 14, 2023 4:39 AM


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, SECOND, WHAT ABOUT OUR COUNTRY?
I mean, why do you clutch your pearls and shriek about RUSSIA!RUSSIA! but manage to ignore trampled freedoms in OUR country? Yanno, our nation that "promotes democracy and freedom"?

SECOND: I am very familiar with citizens who voted for Trump or continue to defend him. They were shouting lunatics before Trump got into politics. They struggle in life because they were always highly defective individuals attracted to defective politicians.

Oh, I see you gravitated back to your never-ending obssession: Trump. But, this isn't about Trump.
Seems like you can't corral your own thoughts.

Quote:

SECOND: They've got ... blah blah blah....
... as living examples of Matthew 7:3-5
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

YES, SECOND, why you do keep looking at the specks elsewhere (Russia, "Trumptards") when you SO CLEARLY miss the USA's continued rampage on human rights everywhere and civil rights at home, and can't see your own deranged thinking?
I wonder about that with almost every one of your posts (at least, as far as I read into them.)

But, yanno, it doesn't matter. Your own deranged posts and thoughts won't change reality. The USA will either get its shit together and start paying attention to its common interests (and not nutjobs and indentitarians like you) or it won't. And if it doesn't, we'll go down in flames.

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Friday, April 14, 2023 6:52 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

But, yanno, it doesn't matter. Your own deranged posts and thoughts won't change reality. The USA will either get its shit together and start paying attention to its common interests (and not nutjobs and indentitarians like you) or it won't. And if it doesn't, we'll go down in flames.

Russian President Vladimir Putin reportedly personally approved the arrest of Wall Street Journal correspondent Evan Gershkovich. Bloomberg reported on April 12 that Putin personally approved the arrest of Gershkovich on espionage charges before the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) arrested Gershkovich in Yekaterinburg, Sverdlovsk Oblast on March 30 for collecting information constituting a state secret about the activities of a Russian military-industrial complex enterprise.[11] Putin’s reported personal involvement in the arrest suggests that the arrest was likely a retaliatory response to the US arrest of Russian national Sergey Cherkasov on March 24 on charges of acting as agent of a foreign power.[12] Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov denied that Putin ordered Gershkovich’s arrest and stated that Russian special services independently decided to arrest Gershkovich.[13] ISW has previously reported that the FSB has made other recent arrests in connection with information about defense enterprises in Sverdlovsk Oblast, and ISW assesses that the Kremlin may use the pretext of threats to Russia’s defense industrial base (DIB) to justify crackdowns and further conceal the activities of Russian defense industrial enterprises.[14] Putin’s reported personal involvement in the first arrest of a US journalist since the Cold War may indicate that the Kremlin viewed the arrest as a calculated escalation that it will attempt to use as leverage for extracting concessions from the United States.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-april-13-2023


Signym, Putin arrested that journalist. Both that and the Ukraine war wouldn't have happened if Putin had broader and more balanced interests rather than his own self-glorification.

Back in the US, the Iraq War wouldn't have happened if President Bush had been a more balanced man. But the US had back in 2000 and still has a rather large percentage of the voting population who are strongly attracted to unbalanced leaders. That would be because the voters are unbalanced, which shows in their daily lives full of foolish and unnecessary financial, domestic, and work dramas. Endless dramas of fools. It is those fools who "go down in flames." With their preferences for unbalanced politicians, those fools might cause the whole country to "go down in flames." Look at 6ix. The little man has lived like a fool all his life and his preference for a leader? Donald J Trump - an unbalanced man.

The 10 Worst U.S. Presidents
(Trump was better than James Buchanan who refused to challenge the states that became the Confederacy.)
https://www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/slide
shows/the-10-worst-presidents?slide=10


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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