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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Wednesday, April 12, 2023 4:17 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, the USA was defeated in Afghanistan, and fought to a standstill in Iraq, Syria. Militarily defied by Iran and Russia.
And yet you persist in the delusion that the USA has this big unstoppable military.



The USA DOES have a big, unstoppable military.

Failure after Failure is a feature... not a bug.

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Will you admit your mistake when NATO gets its ass handed to it in Ukraine? Or will you continue to deny reality?

One way I see the war in Ukraine ending is that Zelenskiy flees Ukraine and sets up a "government in exile". That way NATO/USA doesn't have to surrender or acknowledge defeat, and they can do a gentle PR glide to memory-holing the Ukraine clusterfuck.



Ukraine is fucked. Ukraine was always fucked.

$130 Billion from the US so far, and god knows how much wasted money and ordinance from the rest of the civilized world completely gone to waste and laundered so the Oligarchs can have an ever-increasing size of the pie in this zero-sum game we live in.

We could have ended world hunger for 2.5 years with the money the US has pissed away so far in Ukraine.

Fuck Joe Biden. Fuck Democrats. Fuck NeoCons. Fuck the Uniparty. Fuck the complicit Media. Fuck Ukraine. Fuck child rapist Zelensky.

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Wednesday, April 12, 2023 5:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, the USA was defeated in Afghanistan, and fought to a standstill in Iraq, Syria. Militarily defied by Iran and Russia.
And yet you persist in the delusion that the USA has this big unstoppable military.

Will you admit your mistake when NATO gets its ass handed to it in Ukraine? Or will you continue to deny reality?

One way I see the war in Ukraine ending is that Zelenskiy flees Ukraine and sets up a "government in exile". That way NATO/USA doesn't have to surrender or acknowledge defeat, and they can do a gentle PR glide to memory-holing the Ukraine clusterfuck.

Alternatively, Putin could claim that he killed millions of Nazis in Ukraine, destroyed $trillions in Nazi property, shut down the Nazis' electricity, and withdraw from Nazi Ukraine as the victor! Russians will accept whatever lie Putin wants to tell them, especially if they will be thrown into the Army if they don't believe Putin's stories:

Russia Moves to Digitize Military Summons, Prevent Conscripts from Fleeing Amid Fears of New Draft
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/04/11/russia-moves-to-digitize-mil
itary-summons-prevent-conscripts-from-fleeing-amid-fears-of-new-draft-a80786


Russia Lost 1.3M Young Workers in 2022 – Research
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/04/11/russia-lost-13m-young-worker
s-in-2022-research-a80784

Where did 1.3 million workers go? Off to war or left Russia because they did not want to go to war.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, April 12, 2023 6:49 AM


Big Serge has a detailed summary of those leaked documents

Here it is, edited for brevity

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Apr 10, 2023
Author’s Note: I had been intending to publish an article on Soviet operational art this week, but the emergence of the leaks diverted my attention and led to this article instead. We’ll return to military history shortly.

Another winter has ended, and spring has again arisen on the war in Ukraine. Amid the thaw and attendant mud, Russian forces - including the indominable Wagner Group - have pushed the Ukrainian grouping in Bakhmut to the brink, with the AFU now clinging its last defensive toehold in the city. Bakhmut has become the largest battle of the 21st century, and is now entering its climactic phase.

Nevertheless, battlefield developments have been upstaged to some extent by the apparent leak of classified US military intelligence documents which provide a sweeping view into the inner workings of the Pentagon’s war.


... The general impression is that an American folded the briefing documents up, put them in his/her/their/xer/xem/plur pocket (the American military is a Diverse and Inclusive institution, and the leaker could have any, all, or no gender), took the pages home and photographed them. It was almost certainly not a Russian asset - if the documents had been acquired by Russian intelligence, they would have kept it internal.

... The most significant implication of the documents is simple: Ukraine’s combat power is significantly degraded, and in particular their mechanized units and artillery forces are in very rough shape.

The relevant material here in particular is a page entitled “US Allied & Partner UAF Combat Power Build”... The plan calls for a force of twelve nominal brigades, nine of which will be equipped by NATO and three internally generated by the Ukrainians. The leak does not offer insight into the three Ukrainian brigades, but the intended complement of the nine NATO brigades is meticulously listed).

All told, the combat power build calls for these brigades to field a total of 253 tanks, 381 Infantry Fighting Vehicles, 480 Armored Personnel Carriers, and 147 artillery pieces. This implies that these will be brigades in name only, and will in fact be far understrength. Parceling these systems out across nine brigades will give an average strength of a mere 28 tanks per brigade, along with some 95 IFVs/APCs and 16 artillery tubes. Compare this to a US Army Armored Brigade Combat Team, which would have almost 90 tanks and almost 200 IFVs/APCs. An American Stryker Brigade (a lighter, rapidly deployable formation) would have about 300 Strykers - the Ukrainian 82nd Brigade is listed to receive only 90.

In combat power terms, therefore, these new brigades are going to be far understrength. Their tank strength, far from being full brigade level, amounts to less than an American armored battalion.

Another key aspect of the force build document is the training schedules. This document dates from the beginning of March, at which point five of the nine brigades were listed at “Training 0% Complete”. Only one of the brigades was more than halfway trained, rated at 60% complete. Despite this, six out of nine were scheduled to be ready by the end of March and the remainders by the end of April. This can only be achieved with significantly truncated training times, and these are detailed in the document. Leopard tank training, for example, is listed at only six weeks. Just for context, American tankers can pencil in 22 weeks of training for the Abrams.

The overall picture, therefore, is rather foreboding for Ukraine. The leaked documents do not give us insight into the three brigades that Ukraine is expected to generate with their indigenous assets, but the nine NATO trained and equipped brigades are slated to be significantly understrength and manned by personnel who are receiving a hugely accelerated training course. These brigades will almost certainly need to be de

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Wednesday, April 12, 2023 6:08 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Big Serge has a detailed summary of those leaked documents

Here it is, edited for brevity . . .

More at Big Sege substack



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger


Signym, your editing can’t be trusted because your Henry Kissinger quote got "edited" until it meant the opposite of what he said. It is like "editing" or removing a NOT from a sentence would reverse the meaning. Here is what Kissinger actually said:

Henry Kissinger said in November 1968, after Richard Nixon was elected U.S. president but before he took office: “Nixon should be told that it is probably an objective of Clifford to depose Thieu (South Vietnamese president Nguyen Van Thieu—ed.) before Nixon is inaugurated. Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”

The quotation referred to America’s role in Vietnam. If America doesn’t stand by its friends and allies, the quotation explains, then it might ultimately be less dangerous to be America’s enemy.

Much more at
https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/it_may_be_dan
gerous_to_be_americas_enemy_but_to_be_americas_friend_is_fatal


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, April 12, 2023 6:15 PM

The Kremlin passed legislation to use tools of digital authoritarianism to digitize and improve the effectiveness of issuing summonses and crack down on Russian draft dodgers.

The Russian State Duma adopted a bill in its third reading on April 11 to create a digital unified register of Russian citizens eligible for military service.[1] Russian military recruitment offices will use the digital register to issue summonses to military service. The unified register harvests Russian citizens’ personal identification information—including medical, educational, and residence history, foreign citizenship status, and insurance and tax data—from multiple Russian legal entities, including Russia’s Federal Tax Service, investigative bodies, courts, medical institutions, the Russian Pension and Social Insurance Fund, the Central Election Commission, and federal and local authorities.[2]

Summoned individuals may not leave Russia and must appear at a military recruitment office within 20 days of being summoned. The law bans summoned individuals who are 20 days delinquent for reporting from driving vehicles, buying or selling real estate, and taking out loans.

A senior Russian legislator stated that the law will correct some of the bureaucratic shortcomings that appeared during Russia’s partial mobilization in September 2022.[3]

Some Russian milbloggers who have long agitated for more aggressive force generation policies praised the law and stated that it exemplifies healthy interactions between Russian civil society and government.[4]

ISW previously forecasted that the Kremlin would marry Soviet-style societal control measures with big data and 21st-century information technology to intensify control over the Russian population after Russia used facial recognition, QR codes, and mobile device geo-tracking technology to enforce a draconian COVID-19 quarantine in 2020.[5]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-april-11-2023


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, April 12, 2023 6:30 PM

How strong is US-Ukraine wartime alliance? What the leaks reveal.
Howard LaFranchi

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2023/0411/How-strong-is-U
S-Ukraine-wartime-alliance-What-the-leaks-reveal


The extraordinary cache of recent and highly sensitive U.S. intelligence documents leaked online offers a window into the U.S.-Ukraine relationship that has been forged by more than a year of war. And not just any war, but one that has morphed into the front lines of what the Biden administration portrays as a defining battle between democracy and autocracy.

Amid such high stakes, the leaks underscore significant cooperation – including how U.S. assistance has moved well beyond providing crucial weaponry to advising the Ukrainians on the optimal targeting of Russian forces.

Leaked U.S. intelligence documents indicate close coordination between Washington and Kyiv in the latter’s war with Russia, but there are limits. Experts point to Ukraine’s innate distrust of great powers, even friendly ones. The leaks won’t help.

But mixed in is also a fair dose of mutual wariness. Matthew Schmidt, an expert at the University of New Haven, says Kyiv “has never trusted the U.S.” with running the war for them.

The timing of the leaks is particularly problematic for Kyiv, which is preparing its crucial spring counteroffensive.

“So much is riding on the success of this offensive,” says Rajan Menon, a director at Defense Priorities, a Washington think tank. It should surprise no one, he says, that officials in Kyiv are probably even more secretive now.

“If I were in the Ukrainians’ place,” he adds, “I would be just as careful about revealing sensitive information, no matter who the recipient is.”

The extraordinary cache of recent and highly sensitive U.S. intelligence documents that have appeared these last weeks on social media sites and gaming chatrooms – largely focused on military and diplomatic aspects of the war in Ukraine – includes revelations on friend and foe alike.

In the “foe” column, the leaks include precise and timely details of Russian war planning and suggest deep U.S. penetration into Russian decision-making centers, from the Kremlin to the mercenary Wagner Group.

But then there are the friends – and in particular, Ukraine.

The documents – about 100 pages of what appear to be photocopied (and sometimes altered) intelligence briefings and “secret” reports – also offer a window into the U.S.-Ukraine relationship that has been forged by more than a year of war.

And not just any war, but one that has morphed into the front lines of what President Joe Biden and his administration portray as a defining battle between democracy, national sovereignty, and the rule of international law on the one hand, and autocracy, outside domination, and the rule of the strongest on the other.

Amid such high international stakes, the leaked documents underscore a relationship of significant cooperation – especially notable considering the relatively short period of time over which the intense relations have developed.

For example, some of the leaked information suggests how U.S. assistance has moved well beyond simply providing crucial modern weaponry to advising the Ukrainians – sometimes on a daily basis based on sophisticated satellite imagery – on the optimal targeting of Russian forces and repositioning of Ukrainian forces to evade planned Russian attacks.

But mixed in with that impressive degree of cooperation is also a fair dose of mutual wariness – exemplified on the U.S. side by leaked revelations that Washington spies on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. That “news” drew grumblings and professions of disappointment from Kyiv, but analysts and some U.S. officials say no one should be surprised that the United States is managing its full-bore commitment to Ukraine on the basis of “trust but verify.”

Ukraine’s continuing wariness toward Washington – exemplified by what some U.S. officials describe as a frustrating opaqueness among some Ukrainian officials – has less

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Wednesday, April 12, 2023 6:44 PM

The Most Shocking Thing About This American Reporter’s Arrest in Russia

“Journalism is not a crime,” a State Department spokesman said of the young reporter’s arrest.

The problem is, in Vladimir Putin’s Russia, it often is a crime. In declaring Gershkovich a foreign spy, Putin may have been looking not for a token in a prisoner-exchange, but for an example to deter other reporters — foreign and domestic — from doing their jobs.

Russia has criminalized journalism for a decade. It’s surprising this has happened so rarely.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/04/evan-gershkovich-wrongfull
y-detained-in-russia.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, April 12, 2023 9:16 PM

"The leak is only damaging as the Biden administration allows it to be," said Dov S. Zakheim, a former undersecretary of defense in the Reagan administration. If the White House responds to the reports of Kyiv’s shortage of missiles and ammunition by "accelerating and expanding arms transfers to Ukraine, then they might prove useful to those who favor greater and faster American support for Kyiv."

In that case, he added, "the leaked reports of Ukraine’s weakness would be, by definition, OBE," he said, or "overtaken by events."

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/what-analysts-missing-leaked-pentagong
-documents-case


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 13, 2023 12:54 PM


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Big Serge has a detailed summary of those leaked documents
Here it is, edited for brevity . . .
More at Big Serge substack.

SECOND: Signym, your editing can’t be trusted because your Henry Kissinger quote got "edited" until it meant the opposite of what he said.

Oh for fuck's sake, SECOND, If you don't like the EXTENSIVE quoting just go to Big Serge at substack. It's free.

And BTW, Kissinger meant exactly what it sounds like.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Thursday, April 13, 2023 3:31 PM

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Originally posted by second:
The Most Shocking Thing About This American Reporter’s Arrest in Russia

“Journalism is not a crime,” a State Department spokesman said of the young reporter’s arrest.



Journalism is not a crime here either. Those of moderate intelligence in America are asking themselves why nobody here practices it. The really smart ones know that some do, but they are shunned by the bought and paid for Media and the stupid people.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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