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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 16, 2023 8:32 PM

Nobody cares. Nobody really ever cared. Just like I said all along.

Even Twitter is over it.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

SECOND

Thursday, February 16, 2023 8:59 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares. Nobody really ever cared. Just like I said all along.

Even Twitter is over it.

The Greatest Nuclear Threat We Face Is a Russian Victory by Eric Schlosser

Putin’s blackmail is dangerous; its success would be even worse.

The invasion of Ukraine has been accompanied from the outset by Russian threats to use nuclear weapons. A few days after the war began, President Vladimir Putin complained that “NATO countries are making aggressive statements about our country” and warned that, as a result, Russia’s nuclear forces would be moved to “a special regime of combat duty.” No apparent change in operational readiness followed that warning. But in state-controlled news media, the almost-daily threats to use nuclear weapons have become central to Russian propaganda, seeking to inspire fear in NATO countries, discourage NATO forces from entering the war, and limit the supply of military assistance to Ukraine.

The propaganda absolves Russia, blames the United States for the war, and has four main tenets: first, that a long-standing American effort to bring Ukraine into NATO poses a grave threat to Russian security. Second, that American shipments of weapons to Ukraine have prolonged the fighting and caused needless suffering among civilians. Third, that American support for Ukraine is just a pretext for seeking the destruction of Russia. And, finally, that American policies could soon prove responsible for causing an all-out nuclear war.

Those arguments are based on lies. They are being spread to justify Russia’s unprecedented use of nuclear blackmail to seize territory from a neighboring state. Concerns about a possible nuclear exchange have thus far deterred the United States and NATO from providing Ukraine with the tanks, aircraft, and long-range missiles that might change the course of the war. If nuclear threats lead to the defeat of Ukraine, Russia may use them to coerce other states. Tactics once considered immoral and unthinkable might become commonplace. Nuclear weapons would no longer be regarded solely as a deterrent of last resort; the nine countries that possess them would gain even greater influence; countries that lack them would seek to obtain them; and the global risk of devastating wars would increase exponentially.

That is why the greatest nuclear threat we face is a Russian victory in Ukraine.

Russia has about 6,000 nuclear weapons, more than any other country, and for years Putin has portrayed them as a source of national pride. His warnings about their possible use during the war in Ukraine have been coy and often contradictory. “If the territorial integrity of our country is threatened,” Putin said in September, “we will without doubt use all available means to protect Russia and our people—this is not a bluff.” His vow to rely on nuclear weapons only as a defensive measure conveys an underlying threat: An attempt to regain Ukrainian land annexed by Russia and deemed by Putin to be part of “our country” might prompt a nuclear response. He also asserted that the United States and NATO are the ones engaging in “nuclear blackmail,” and that “those who try to blackmail us with nuclear weapons should know that the weathervane can turn and point towards them.” In October, he claimed that Ukraine was planning to launch a nuclear strike on itself—by detonating a warhead filled with radioactive waste—as part of a false-flag operation to make Russia seem responsible. In December, Putin said that the risk of a nuclear war was increasing but suggested once again that the real danger did not come from Russia. “We have not gone crazy,” he said. “We are aware what nuclear weapons are … We are not going to brandish these weapons like a razor, running around the world.”

Although Putin’s comments have been subtle and open to multiple interpretations, the propaganda outlets that he controls have been neither. For almost a year, they have continually threatened and celebrated the possibility of nuclear war. This division of labor al

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, February 16, 2023 9:29 PM

Lies from a coward, copy and pasted here to FireflyFans.net by a bigger coward.

Nobody cares. Keep your nuclear fear porn to yourself. We're tired of being subjected to your daily masturbation sessions, you clueless, closeted NeoCon warmonger.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

SIGNYM

Thursday, February 16, 2023 11:39 PM

"Well I didn't want it anyway"

Blinken engages in ahead-of-time excuse-making.

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Blinken Warns Ukraine Against Seizing Crimea In About-Face

Thursday, Feb 16, 2023 - 08:10 AM

In a bit of an about-face for Washington based on past officials' more aggressive posture, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken now says the administration is not actively encouraging Ukraine to seize Crimea.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-warns-ukraine-against-s
eizing-crimea-about-face

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

THG

Friday, February 17, 2023 12:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"Well I didn't want it anyway"

Blinken engages in ahead-of-time excuse-making.

Quote:
Blinken Warns Ukraine Against Seizing Crimea In About-Face

Thursday, Feb 16, 2023 - 08:10 AM

In a bit of an about-face for Washington based on past officials' more aggressive posture, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken now says the administration is not actively encouraging Ukraine to seize Crimea.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-warns-ukraine-against-s
eizing-crimea-about-face

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

SIG pulls most of her information that she posts here from this blog and stupidly defends it as a reputable source. As she continues to do so I will regenerate this thread to remind all it is a corrupted blog designed to create havoc rather than informing.

Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in red below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.

In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

All of this matches SIG's playbook here and Putin's globally; exactly.

The men behind zero hedge

Colin Lokey, a 32-year-old former Seeking Alpha director

Daniel Ivandjiiski, a 37-year-old Bulgarian-born former hedge fund employee who was barred for insider trading in 2008

Tim Backshall, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist
Despite its populist tone, Lokey told Bloomberg he recently left Zero Hedge because he didn’t see eye-to-eye with the others when it came to editorial vision.

“Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey said. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”

In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

Lokey claims Zero Hedge’s focus on traffic and revenue is hypocritical, but Ivandjiiski sees things differently.

Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.

“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.

The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-1427301
65.html

According to the Bloomberg article, three men have been churning out all of the content at Zero Hedge, using the joint pseudonym “Tyler Durden” from the Brad Pitt film “Fight Club.” The 1999 cult film, according to Rolling Stone, is “about being young, male and powerless against the pacifying drug of consumerism. It’s about solitude, despair and bottled-up rage.” That ethos is frequently on display at Zero Hedge.

The three “Tyler Durdens” outed by Bloomberg reporters are Colin Lokey, who has now left Zero Hedge in a fit of pique and is responsible for handing over the internal chat sessions from Zero Hedge on traffic-building strategies and other matters. Bloomberg says “the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist.”

SIGNYM

Friday, February 17, 2023 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Lies from a coward, copy and pasted here to FireflyFans.net by a bigger coward.

Nobody cares. Keep your nuclear fear porn to yourself. We're tired of being subjected to your daily masturbation sessions, you clueless, closeted NeoCon warmonger.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

The blizzard of disinfo has really intensified. You'd think SECOND would have run out of propaganda to plagiarize, but there must be a large herd of sychophants out there trying to drown everyone in bullshit.

It's troubling to imagine the number of Americans actively engaged in psyops against... Americans. The people who inhabit the State Dept, Thinktankistan, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, DOJ, WH, DNC and RNC.

"Journalists", "analysts", opinionaters, "influencers", "big tech". And all of their quisling dupes and paid shills. The same thunderous herd that brought us the TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION! hoax and hid Hunter Biden's perversity and corruption.

It must number in the tens of thousands. That's gotta total tens of billions of dollars devoted to fucking America's collective mind.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SECOND

Friday, February 17, 2023 1:46 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The blizzard of disinfo

large herd of sychophants out there trying to drown everyone in bullshit.

State Dept, Thinktankistan, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, DOJ, WH, DNC and RNC.

"Journalists", "analysts", opinionaters, "influencers", "big tech". And all of their quisling dupes and paid shills.

TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION!

devoted to fucking America's collective mind.

American support for Ukraine remains squarely in its own self-interest. The United States’s trade with Europe, for example, tops $1 trillion annually, making it on one of the United States’s largest trading partners. Ukraine’s success protects not just itself but the whole of Europe and, with it, American economic interests. By contrast, a successful Russian invasion of Ukraine would place a threatening power on the doorstep of American allies, which is also a direct security threat to the United States.

Russia, after all, has meddled in American elections (and promised to do so again in the future), conducted cyberattacks against American institutions and commercial infrastructure, tried to assassinate dissidents and operatives on Western soil and directed proxy groups to engage in a terrorism campaign against Western targets.

Russia’s mercenaries have even outright attacked American forces in Syria. And so, a victory for Ukraine fits squarely within the United States’s interests because it would also mean a Russian defeat.

Further, if the U.S. wants to deter a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan, or Iranian aggression in the Middle East, then ensuring Russia’s defeat would send a vivid message of deterrence. It signals that inevitable disaster awaits any state that commits such a naked act of aggression.

Much like the 1973 Arab-Israeli War a half century ago, Ukraine has become a live fire test of American weaponry. From a military standpoint, the United States is finding out which systems work, and which do not, on a 21st century battlefield, all without costing American lives.

Much of American military assistance to Ukraine comes from existing, in some cases antiquated, military stockpiles — which means that when Congress pays for military aid to Ukraine, it is functionally allowing the United States to replace its older weapons with new ones. Ukraine aid also boosts the American defense industry and the American economy in the short-run, and, in the long-run, expands the United States’s capacity to build everything from artillery rounds to air defense missiles.

A year into the Ukraine War, most Americans remain committed to providing the aid Ukrainians need. Most see the war for what it is: Russia attacking international order itself. But it’s also worth remembering that America’s support to Ukraine is for America first.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3858658-support-to-ukraine-c
ontinues-to-be-for-america-first/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, February 17, 2023 4:05 AM

The blizzard of bullshit never stops, does it?

Quote:
SIGNYM:

The blizzard of disinfo
large herd of sychophants out there trying to drown everyone in bullshit.
State Dept, Thinktankistan, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, DOJ, WH, DNC and RNC.
"Journalists", "analysts", opinionaters, "influencers", "big tech". And all of their quisling dupes and paid shills.
TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION!
devoted to fucking America's collective mind.

SECOND: [ a quote] American support for Ukraine remains squarely in its own self-interest. The United States’s trade with Europe, for example, tops $1 trillion annually, making it on one of the United States’s largest trading partners. Ukraine’s..

a) Conflating Europe with Ukraine. Ukraine is but a speck on the flea on the dog's rear end.
b) If "Europe's economic success"is so gorram important, then why are they being derpived of cheap energy (oil, gas) which is the lifeblood of ANY thriving economy?

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blah blah blah ... Russian invasion of Ukraine would place a threatening power on the doorstep of American allies, which is also a direct security threat to the United States.

This reminds me of the cry to "protect American interests" because some Iraqi attacked our troops IN IRAQ. WTF are we doing there in the first place?

Quote:
blah blah blah... more recycled bullshit... blah blah blah ...lies, exaggerations and accusations ...

THIS is what is supposed to convince Americans?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

SIGNYM

Friday, February 17, 2023 4:11 AM

Psyops, disinfo and head-fuckery: The lifeblood of the M$M today.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, February 17, 2023 4:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Lies from a coward, copy and pasted here to FireflyFans.net by a bigger coward.

Nobody cares. Keep your nuclear fear porn to yourself. We're tired of being subjected to your daily masturbation sessions, you clueless, closeted NeoCon warmonger.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.
The blizzard of disinfo has really intensified. You'd think SECOND would have run out of propaganda to plagiarize, but there must be a large herd of sychophants out there trying to drown everyone in bullshit.

It's troubling to imagine the number of Americans actively engaged in psyops against... Americans. The people who inhabit the State Dept, Thinktankistan, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, DOJ, WH, DNC and RNC.

"Journalists", "analysts", opinionaters, "influencers", "big tech". And all of their quisling dupes and paid shills. The same thunderous herd that brought us the TRUMPRUSSIACOLLUSION! hoax and hid Hunter Biden's perversity and corruption.

It must number in the tens of thousands. That's gotta total tens of billions of dollars devoted to fucking America's collective mind.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

And it never would have been possible without the internet.

If I could go back to the 90's and live there I would.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.