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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Wednesday, February 15, 2023 7:52 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, as a matter of fact you DO want to hurt people. You've threatened people online and claim to have turned lives into "smoking ruins". That must be one of your multiple personalities talking, causing you to contradict yourself.
Again

I can't claim to have a perfect understanding of people I meet online ne- like you do- but clearly constantly lying to yourself has caused some sort of breakdown.
I hope you're getting the hejp you need.

This line of "reasoning" I have repeatedly seen from people who defend Trump. They do something ridiculously self-destructive in their family life or at work, then they get divorced, bankrupted, or fired. Their explanation for what happened? It is their wife's fault. It is society's fault they went bankrupt. It is the boss's fault, not theirs, that they got fired, even though they were fired for stealing. The Russians do the same thing: it is the Ukrainians' fault that Russia invaded Ukraine. It is NATO's fault that Russians die. It's everybody's fault, not Russia's, that Russians are poor compared to the EU. The Russians screwed up Russia, but they don't take the blame, because then the Russians would have to change themselves, but they are already certain they are doing the best they can. The Russians are NOT doing their best. Not at all. They are being their worst.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 15, 2023 9:39 PM

US Informs Ukraine It Doesn't Have Enough Long-Range Missiles To Send

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-informs-ukraine-it-doesnt-have-e
nough-long-range-missiles-send


Pretty soon Ukraine is gonna hear bad news about the jets, tanks, and munitions it isn't gonna get either.

Oh boo hoo for Ukraine and US neocons.
Let the blames begin!

*****

Oh BTW SECOND, I know what you've done, so don't act innocent. You even bragged about it, remember? ( Ah, no. Of course you don't!)

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Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
US Informs Ukraine It Doesn't Have Enough Long-Range Missiles To Send

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-informs-ukraine-it-doesnt-have-e
nough-long-range-missiles-send


Pretty soon Ukraine is gonna hear bad news about the jets, tanks, and munitions it isn't gonna get either.

Oh boo hoo for Ukraine and US neocons.
Let the blames begin!

*****

Oh BTW SECOND, I know what you've done, so don't act innocent. You even bragged about it, remember? ( Ah, no. Of course you don't!)

You're still convinced Russia is going win, aren't you? And Russia could, easily, if it would withdraw from Ukraine, go back to being reasonable and start emulating Canada.

I am betting that Russians will continue to be stupid and fight to the death for either themselves or Ukraine. Battle on, idiot Russians! Show the world that you don't have to be competent or sane to win, just as Russia showed in WWII (where 27 million Russians died versus only 7 million Germans who were being attacked on the Eastern and Western Fronts).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, February 16, 2023 1:37 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
US Informs Ukraine It Doesn't Have Enough Long-Range Missiles To Send

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-informs-ukraine-it-doesnt-have-e
nough-long-range-missiles-send


Pretty soon Ukraine is gonna hear bad news about the jets, tanks, and munitions it isn't gonna get either.

Oh boo hoo for Ukraine and US neocons.
Let the blames begin!

*****

Oh BTW SECOND, I know what you've done, so don't act innocent. You even bragged about it, remember? ( Ah, no. Of course you don't!)

You're still convinced Russia is going win, aren't you?



Ya think?

Not only do I think it "will" win, I think it's already winning.

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Thursday, February 16, 2023 1:57 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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You're still convinced Russia is going win, aren't you?
Ya think?

Not only do I think it "will" win, I think it's already winning.

Khodorkovsky said that while a "direct confrontation with NATO" was not part of Russian President Vladimir Putin's plan, Putin will be emboldened enough if Russia succeeds in Ukraine that NATO borders will "no longer be an obstacle" to his ambitions.

Khodorkovsky – once Russia's richest man and the founder of Open Russia, an alliance of progressive Russians – said Putin has no choice but to see the invasion of Ukraine through to the end to satisfy his political base of "patriotic nationalists".

"I am convinced that Putin cannot stop," he said.

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/the-interview/20230214-if-putin-s
ucceeds-in-ukraine-he-will-invade-a-nato-country-next-warns-khodorkovsky


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, February 16, 2023 2:35 AM

Yeah, an oligarch who had his wealth re-nationalized? Not expecting anything unbiased from his direction!

AFAIK Russia's ambition is to move NATO missiles away from their border.
I've been puzzling what Russia will do after it incorporates the Donbas, Kherson, Kharkiv and possibly Odessa. It will still have a neo-Nazi Ruusia-hating west Ukraine with which it doesn't to be burdened. Rather than taking it over and struggling to rebuild/ administer, Scott Ritter has the idea that Russia will just bomb it to destruction to force a regime change and then leave it to the EU to fix.

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Thursday, February 16, 2023 3:08 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

AFAIK Russia's ambition is to move NATO missiles away from their border.
I've been puzzling what Russia will do after it incorporates the Donbas, Kherson, Kharkiv and possibly Odessa. It will still have a neo-Nazi Ruusia-hating west Ukraine with which it doesn't to be burdened. Rather than taking it over and struggling to rebuild/ administer, Scott Ritter has the idea that Russia will just bomb it to destruction and leave it to the EU to fix.

There is no reason to think Russia will ever stop moving its western border further west unless something permanent and horrifying happens to Russia to convince Russians to never again covet more fortunate lands. Something to convince Russians to tend to their own lands, not the EU lands.

EU


NATO


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, February 16, 2023 4:19 AM

Can frozen Russian assets be used to rebuild Ukraine? The EU is considering it

Published 6:12 AM EST, Wed February 15, 2023

The cost of reconstruction was put at roughly $349 billion in a September assessment.

EU official estimated earlier this month that more than $300 billion in Russian central bank assets could potentially be used to rebuild Ukraine.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/business/eu-russian-assets-ukraine-reco
nstruction/index.html



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THG
Thursday, February 16, 2023 4:43 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

BTW, this so-called general completely mischaracerizes what's happening in Ukraine. Anyone with two neurons and/or two hrivna to rub together has already fled. The remainder they're dragooning off the streets. They're trying to train up the younger, fitter ones to reserve for ... something. The rest, they're just throwing under Russian artillery fire Hardly a recipe for success.

You will have a hard time disagreeing with the Russian general's opinion of NATO:
The Ukraine War Revived NATO After It Lost Its Meaning, Unified The Collective West

"I could not have guessed that Finland and Sweden would apply to join NATO. This whole chain of events is going according to plan. Frankly speaking, this is the third time we have saved NATO. After the collapse of the USSR, NATO [as a bloc] lost its meaning. We've ceded to them a significant portion of lands located in Eastern Europe; we allowed them to incorporate some of the former Warsaw Pact member-states. We worked extensively with NATO at one time and asked questions there, 'From whom are you defending yourselves now?'

"Many generals and officers perceived themselves to be unemployed. Then they created the 'Partnership for Peace' program. They had to bear such rubbish. I witnessed a gathering of defense ministers from 42 countries, and an Englishman came to the rostrum and started to talk about the main threats NATO was going to face. Proliferation of weapons of mass destruction took first place, second came international terrorism; drugs came third, illegal immigration followed.

(Note: In 1994, Russian Foreign Minister Andrei Kozyrev signed the Partnership for Peace Agreement with NATO )

"Naturally, I asked the division commander, the air wing commander, the commander of some of their cruisers to tell me how they would fight the drug trade or illegal immigration, for instance. I said, 'What do you take us for? Do you take us for idiots?' Nevertheless, we agreed to it.

"Then the Yugoslav conflict saved NATO. And now we are saving it. We gave NATO over to the Americans completely: do whatever you want. Most European countries were constantly cutting back on defense expenditures. But we gave all Europe to the hands of the Americans. We talked all the time and continue to talk of some collective West, although no collective West existed previously. A mass of contradictions existed. But today we have created this collective West with our own hands. We couldn't predict all this. So, I agree with Putin that everything is going to plan...

"I look at this whole process as a dynamic. It all started with the question: to give or not to give Ukraine lethal weapons, or only bulletproof vests? And today the question is already: to give the F-16s or not? And today we are no longer talking about dozens of Abrams and Challenger [tanks]. The latest news: about 400 tanks have been promised to Ukraine. There are already agreements for 320 tanks. So, it's all serious. And there are no restrictions, except for missiles and combat aircraft. Everything is flowing. Because Russia gave Europe into the hands of the Americans."

https://www.memri.org/reports/retired-russian-colonel-general-ivashov-
one-year-ago-i-warned-invading-ukraine-will-hurt


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Yep...

T

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Thursday, February 16, 2023 5:53 AM

It astonishes me, SECOND, how you can be so consistently wrong on every particular.

With the exception of Crimea, Russia has not moved to the west in over 50 years. In fact, it retreated in the other direction.

NATO, OTOH, aggressively moved eastward.

What I sense is a great deal of projection. You're afraid Russia is going to act like we do.


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