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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Sunday, February 12, 2023 7:37 AM

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Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by second:

Russia State TV Says Eliminating U.S. Military Is Ultimate Goal



Did they say when they were going to get started? They better start now because Ukraine has already destroyed at Leat half the Russian army. Another month or two and they won't have an army to fight with.

T

So, can we hold you to your prediction, THUGR? And what will you do when it doesn't come true? /snicker


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Sunday, February 12, 2023 7:40 AM

2 months, huh?

Tick Tock then, I guess!



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Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:22 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

WHAT is "too ugly to print", SECOND?

How about backing up your insinuations with some good old-fashioned libel?
Inquiring minds want to know!

Ron Paul is a lying old man, not worth dissecting to reveal his lies. He has been working the political scene in Texas for decades. His smoother son has been lying, and getting elected to the US Senate in Kentucky. More interesting is why people in Texas and Kentucky (and in Russia) listen to and believe these kinds of people. Entire books and movies have been written about the fundamental weakness people have in believing falsehoods and allowing talented liars to take advantage of that weakness.

“The truth is not a requirement for what people believe. What people believe is what they want to believe, what they need to believe, what doesn't conflict with their more necessary load-bearing beliefs. Ultimately, what everybody around them believes.” - Aja Raden, Nothing Lasts Forever [2022] and the author of The Truth About Lies: The Illusion of Honesty and the Evolution of Deceit (2021). The 2022 movie on diamond rings/the De Beers Diamond Cartel is entertaining and so is the 2021 book about swindles and frauds.

Here is a particular story about a certain city and an old system of brand-new lies that are believed by Russians to be the truth:

Ukraine war: Belgorod locals live in fear but won't blame Putin

by Steve Rosenberg, BBC News, Belgorod

The sounds of war are becoming routine at this market a few miles inside Russia's border with Ukraine. I hear explosions in the distance. But no-one flinches.

Just meters away other stalls have been reduced to twisted metal. They were hit by a mortar a few days before.

At the time the market was shut, so no-one was hurt. But many stalls remain closed and there's only a handful of customers. Sandbags are stacked up outside some of the buildings.

In many parts of Russia this feels like a virtual war: a conflict being played out on television, far from home. But in Russia's Belgorod region war feels very real and very close.

Raisa Alexandrovna, who sells sweets here, has lost her sense of security.

"No-one's protecting us," Raisa tells me. "When people go home at night, they don't know if they'll still be in one piece in the morning."

Everyone I speak to at the market tells me they live in fear of Ukrainian shelling. But they omit to mention that it was their country that invaded Ukraine.

A number of stalls at the market have been hit by mortars

They confirm that, one year, ago, life here was quiet and peaceful. Yet, they decline to join the dots and blame the Kremlin for what has transpired.

"We had to start this military operation," Raisa insists. "It's the right thing. We just should have been better prepared for it. We should have drafted people into the army right away. So many of our young men are dying. There'll be no one left for our women to marry."

"But what about the Ukrainians who've been killed because of Russia's invasion?" I ask.

"Yes, people on both sides have been killed," replies Raisa. "But the minds of Ukrainians have been altered. A new generation has grown up there hating Russians. We need to re-educate them. Re-make them."

In the city of Belgorod, the regional capital, a giant letter 'Z' - the symbol of Russia's military operation - has been erected along a busy highway. In recent months there have been explosions, too, in Belgorod, including at the airport, an oil depot and an apparent strike on a power plant. Suddenly residents are having to think about where to take cover. Shelters have been opened in cellars and in basements of apartment blocks.

Belgorod is full of billboards and slogans supporting Russian soldiers

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Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:54 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

WHAT is "too ugly to print", SECOND?

How about backing up your insinuations with some good old-fashioned libel?
Inquiring minds want to know!

Ron Paul is a lying old man, not worth dissecting to reveal his lies. He has been working the political scene in Texas for decades. His smoother son has been lying, and getting elected to the US Senate in Kentucky. More interesting is why people in Texas and Kentucky (and in Russia) listen to and believe these kinds of people. Entire books and movies have been written about the fundamental weakness people have in believing falsehoods and allowing talented liars to take advantage of that weakness.

“The truth is not a requirement for what people believe. What people believe is what they want to believe, what they need to believe, what doesn't conflict with their more necessary load-bearing beliefs.



Yup. That's Second in a nutshell.

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Sunday, February 12, 2023 8:07 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup. That's Second in a nutshell.

In a nutshell: If your beliefs are true, you prosper. If your beliefs are false, you don’t. That includes not just you but entire families and entire nations. The Russians have many false beliefs and the Russians haven’t prospered. The Russians believe they have the greatest Army in the world, but that Army would have already won in Ukraine if that belief was true. The Russians still can win if their Army becomes truer to the Russians’ exaggerated beliefs about their Army. The Russian economy does not prosper. It is smaller than Canada's economy and Russians live in poverty compared to Canadians. If the world’s economy worked the way Russians incorrectly believe it works, Canadians would be far poorer than Russians because Canada is right next to the US, supposedly the main cause of all Russian problems.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup. That's Second in a nutshell.

In a nutshell: If your beliefs are true, you prosper.



That mean's they're true.

Thanks for confirming this.

Have fun at work tomorrow, honey. I'll let you know how my nap went.



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Sunday, February 12, 2023 11:15 PM

"SECOND in a nutshell".
Well, that's where nuts are, innit?

*****
SECOND, yep, you resorted to good old-fashioned libel.

Since you lie about so many things why should I believe you about your "wealth"?
I think you're just some feckless twat posting from a psych ward.

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Monday, February 13, 2023 1:32 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"SECOND in a nutshell".
Well, that's where nuts are, innit?

*****
SECOND, yep, you resorted to good old-fashioned libel.

Since you lie about so many things why should I believe you about your "wealth"?
I think you're just some feckless twat posting from a psych ward.

If there is truth to the Russians' complaints about the US, then Canadians should be living in poverty compared to Russians. Are Canadians impoverished compared to Russians, Signym?

If there is truth in the Russians bragging about their Army, Russia would have already won in Ukraine. Has Russia won, Signym? Or does Russia need 6ix more months and then it will have won?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, February 13, 2023 1:39 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"SECOND in a nutshell".
Well, that's where nuts are, innit?



Only if you don't look in his drawers. You won't find any there.

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Monday, February 13, 2023 1:45 AM

Signy, your whole schtick is that we're being lied to about Russia and Ukraine. If this is true, why do you keep making your point by sharing articles that are full of lies themselves?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What the OSCE discovered was that the bombardment dramatically intensified as the week went on until it reached a peak on February 19, when a total of 2,026 artillery strikes were recorded.

Sig: That's over 2000 artillery strikes in one day. On a civilian atea.


That's a complete misrepresentation of the OSCE report. I'll point out why, but I encourage everyone to see for themselves how Signy is lying. If anyone has any questions about making sense of the report, I'll gladly help explain (I've read a few of these): https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-20-21%20Daily%20Report_ENG.pdf?itok
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What the OSCE report actually says about the 2026 "artillery strikes":

1. Were not in a single day, but over a 48hr period (18th-20th)
2. Were not "artillery strikes" but "explosions" (including mortars, etc.)
Were described as both incoming and outgoing - and most of those identified were fired by the separatists
3. Hardly any of them were recorded in civilian areas, on either side
4. There were no recorded civilian casualties

A spike in hostilities, yes, but by both sides in their trenches firing at each other. With many more reported breaches by the pro-Russians, according to this report.

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