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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Wednesday, February 8, 2023 5:44 AM

K2PO: If the USA and the west are doing so great, why is our living standard plummeting and why can't we keep up with Russian military production?

Maybe bc our GDP and CPI figures are as bogus as our figures of Russian casualties?

AFA not believing the UN: It has a strong pro-western bias built in since many of its organizations are dominated by western nations.

Since the UN has spun facts (if not outright lied) I take everything they say with a grain of salt. As I take EVERY statement from everyone with a grain of salt. Some, a bigger grain than others.

You, OTIH, "believe", which is always a mistake.

But, yanno, keep believing in your narrative. Just don't come crying to me when it crumbles


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Wednesday, February 8, 2023 8:18 AM

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As I take EVERY statement from everyone with a grain of salt. Some, a bigger grain than others.


But we can see clearly that you don't take information with a grain of salt when it comes to Russia. There, you believe what you're told, without any apparent hint of self-awareness. You posted pro-Russian separatist figures to refute UN figures. How do you know you can trust the pro-Russian figures? Is it not clear to you that they are aligned with Moscow and have an incentive to inflate civilian deaths?

I believe in healthy skepticism: No source is perfect. But not everyone is part of a propaganda agenda. There are some people and institutions trying to report the truth.

You believe in a kind of radical skepticism: Everyone has an agenda. Everyone is trying to deceive you. Be distrustful of everyone. Specks of golden truth can only be obtained by panning carefully in the many streams of lies.

Does that sum up your view?

Here's the problem. You are not remotely consistent. You are distrustful of information that challenges your worldview, but when information matches your worldview, you absorb it without question. As we saw with the Donbas civilian deaths example. This is human nature, btw. We are all guilty of this. But the difference between me and you: I sometimes accept information that challenges my worldview. Because I have respect for some sources. You have respect for no sources, so you NEVER accept information that challenges your worldview. This is why I say you are unmoored from reality.

Radical skepticism sounds wise, but it is the wisdom of the conspiracy theorist.

One last thing: you say you take the UN etc. with a big pinch of salt because of their history of lying. Now this is interesting. At some point it was pointed out to you by some outlets (probably many in your media ecosystem) that the UN could not be trusted because X, Y, Z. Here's my question to you: did you take these outlets' word with a pinch of salt? Do those outlets never lie? And if they do lie, what is their agenda, and does that not cast doubt on what they say about the UN?

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Wednesday, February 8, 2023 5:18 PM

Putin Is Right: The War in Ukraine Is Partly America’s Fault

The U.S. was totally seduced by the money flowing out of Russia and helped Putin become all-powerful. The last year has shown us the consequences.

Vladimir Putin did not appear out of a vacuum to birth a gangster state, invade Ukraine, roil the planet in chaos, and order his hobgoblins on Russian television to incessantly threaten the world with mushroom clouds.

“Russia’s conquests and violence are the most natural and legitimate thing that has ever been done in history,” is one of the more recent soundbites from former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev.

The distressing question is whether there’s even a tinkle of truth to Putin’s bombast that the U.S. shoulders blame for Russia’s global aggression. Three decades of post-Cold War wheeling and dealing between Russia and the U.S. provide compelling evidence that Putin is right—but clearly not for the reasons spewed by him and his propagandists.

Nine years of news reports from Putin’s war in Ukraine—which exploded into a full land invasion almost 12 months ago—assorted armed mischiefs in Africa and assassinations of political opponents at home and abroad only continues to blur this historically larger and more damning canvas. It’s a portrait that illustrates the West’s three decades of collaboration to enrich Russian leaders, aid and abet their oligarchs, and use diplomatic guff such as “balance of power” to empower Putin.

Even before Putin strong-armed his way into the Kremlin throne room in 2000 , the former KGB agent who was assistant to St. Petersburg Mayor Anatoly Sobchak, instigated a new financial dance with the West that would revolutionize Russia’s finances.

Putin’s Money Spinner

It was a modern twist on the Bolshevik “quartermaster” system, which he perfected once he was in the presidential suite. The procedure involved a Russian enterprise entering into lucrative and opaque joint-venture contracts with Western energy, manufacturing, distribution or trading companies. The split was always 51/49, with the Russian entity given ham-fisted jurisdiction of the lion’s share and always through one of Putin’s hundreds of genuflecting oligarchs, all hiding the details of the transactions beneath secretive layers of completely legal offshore companies.

Investment bankers—who during the 1998 Ruble Without a Cause economic crash said they’d rather eat cabbages from Chernobyl than lend to Russia—liked the new tune coming from Putin’s mouth and leveraged the sound of his music to peddle more Russian shares and bonds.

"The macro picture looks all very great, but you have a problem with almost every stock you look at," Morgan Stanley Dean Witter emerging market specialist John-Paul Smith cautioned at the dawn of the Putin era. "Everything is tainted on an individual basis."

Putin’s quartermasters were just as aware of the dodgy consequences of these deals as they were the shared profits that enriched them and created the global oligarch class. Somehow lost or ignored in the cash pile, however, was how Putin was spending Russia’s cut: Militarization.

More at https://www.thedailybeast.com/putin-is-right-the-war-in-ukraine-is-par
tly-americas-fault


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 8, 2023 6:40 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No. YOU misunderstand the law.

And even though nobody is probably going to go after Haken for some dumb books that nobody cares about or some comic books that even less people care about, you're poking a big fucking bear when you post a link to a pirated version of Avatar 2. Disney doesn't fuck around and has wiped websites off the map that share their stuff illegally.

Don't you dare talk to me about responsibility when it's no sweat off your nutsack if you put Haken in a position where he ends up shutting down this site because YOU cause him to get a cease and desist order for sharing pirated content all over the site.

Stop posting pirated shit here. I'm not asking you. I'm telling you.

What would irritate 6ix the most? I know!

A) Searching for Avatar The Way of Water in All Categories
https://1337x.unblockit.bio/search/Avatar+the+way+of+water/1/ The "/" at the end is very important. Without the "/" there will be an error 404 Not Found

B) Free and reliable P2P Bittorrent client necessary to download Avatar The Way of Water:
https://www.qbittorrent.org/

C) The worst that can happen to the downloader is receiving a Notice of Action under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)
What is the worst that can happen to fireflyfans.net? Nothing because it is not infringing on anyone's copyright by including Line A).
https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/what-to-do-if-you-get-a-copyright-i
nfringement-notice


6ix, I look forward to your foaming-at-the-mouth, howling-at-the-moon, unhinged-from-reality response. Please go as weird as your feverish imagination makes it possible.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 8, 2023 7:02 PM

I'll just leave it in Haken's thread and be done with it. I've never had a dialogue with Haken in my life, and he's a man. He can deal with it as he sees fit.

I'm not babysitting the child at his website.


I'm sorry everybody if Second gets fireflyfans.net shut down because he is an irresponsible, selfish little prick.

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Wednesday, February 8, 2023 7:19 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'll just leave it in Haken's thread and be done with it. I've never had a dialogue with Haken in my life, and he's a man. He can deal with it as he sees fit.

I'm not babysitting the child at his website.


I'm sorry everybody if Second gets fireflyfans.net shut down because he is an irresponsible, selfish little prick.

You forgot to say "Fuck U. . ." as you do habitually. I would bet that Haken has sympathy for Ukraine's plight, but not for yours, 6ix. Maybe you should protest this possible lack of empathy toward your neediness in life? Think of something dramatic, 6ix, because your craziness, ineffectiveness, and endless difficulties are almost as entertaining as Trump's. Trump and 6ix share an unworthy purpose in life -- to be the insane clowns throwing pies full of shaving cream and missing the targets.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 8, 2023 7:26 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'll just leave it in Haken's thread and be done with it. I've never had a dialogue with Haken in my life, and he's a man. He can deal with it as he sees fit.

I'm not babysitting the child at his website.


I'm sorry everybody if Second gets fireflyfans.net shut down because he is an irresponsible, selfish little prick.

You forgot to say "Fuck U. . ." as you do habitually. I would bet that Haken has sympathy for Ukraine's plight, but not for yours, 6ix. Maybe you should protest this possible lack of empathy toward your neediness in life? Think of something dramatic, 6ix, because your craziness, ineffectiveness, and endless difficulties are almost as entertaining as Trump's. Trump and 6ix share an unworthy purpose in life -- to be the insane clowns throwing pies full of shaving cream and missing the targets.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



This has nothing to do with Ukraine.

You are going to get the site shut down because you are a little boy.

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Wednesday, February 8, 2023 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

This has nothing to do with Ukraine.

You are going to get the site shut down because you are a little boy.

I will test your theory of how reality works by posting this story. Start the countdown until the explosive shutdown of fff.net. Ticktock, ticktock, kaboom! :

How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
by Seymour Hersh, Feb 8, 2023

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stre
am


The U.S. Navy’s Diving and Salvage Center can be found in a location as obscure as its name—down what was once a country lane in rural Panama City, a now-booming resort city in the southwestern panhandle of Florida, 70 miles south of the Alabama border. The center’s complex is as nondescript as its location—a drab concrete post-World War II structure that has the look of a vocational high school on the west side of Chicago. A coin-operated laundromat and a dance school are across what is now a four-lane road.

The center has been training highly skilled deep-water divers for decades who, once assigned to American military units worldwide, are capable of technical diving to do the good—using C4 explosives to clear harbors and beaches of debris and unexploded ordinance—as well as the bad, like blowing up foreign oil rigs, fouling intake valves for undersea power plants, destroying locks on crucial shipping canals. The Panama City center, which boasts the second largest indoor pool in America, was the perfect place to recruit the best, and most taciturn, graduates of the diving school who successfully did last summer what they had been authorized to do 260 feet under the surface of the Baltic Sea.

Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.

Two of the pipelines, which were known collectively as Nord Stream 1, had been providing Germany and much of Western Europe with cheap Russian natural gas for more than a decade. A second pair of pipelines, called Nord Stream 2, had been built but were not yet operational. Now, with Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border and the bloodiest war in Europe since 1945 looming, President Joseph Biden saw the pipelines as a vehicle for Vladimir Putin to weaponize natural gas for his political and territorial ambitions.

Asked for comment, Adrienne Watson, a White House spokesperson, said in an email, “This is false and complete fiction.” Tammy Thorp, a spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency, similarly wrote: “This claim is completely and utterly false.”

Biden’s decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to best achieve that goal. For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible.

There was a vital bureaucratic reason for relying on the graduates of the center’s hardcore diving school in Panama City. The divers were Navy only, and not members of America’s Special Operations Command, whose covert operations must be reported to Congress and briefed in advance to the Senate and House leadership—the so-called Gang of Eight. The Biden Administration was doing everything possible to avoid leaks as the planning took place late in 2021 and into the first months of 2022.

President Biden and his foreign policy team—National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, Secretary of State Tony Blinken, and Victoria Nuland, the Undersecretary of State for Policy—had been vocal and consistent in their hostility to the two pipelines, which ran side by side for 750 miles under the Baltic Sea from two different ports in northeastern Russia near the Estonian border, passing close to the Danish island of Bornholm before ending in northern Ge

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Thursday, February 9, 2023 12:07 AM

Huh. My money was on the UK.

By now it should be clear to Germans that Germany is a secondary target of the USA/UK. It's funny watching how Germany was pressured into givig Ukraine some of their Leopard tanks on the promise that their "friends and allies" would also chip in tanks, only to find that the USA is having problems coming up with Abrams tanks and the UK can't scratch up any Challenger tanks and France won't send Leclercs and many EU nations are suddenly finding it impossible to meet their Leopard tank commitments.

What did Norman Mailer say?

"I'd hate to be leading a parade and find there was nobody behind me"?

Talk about being stabbed in the back!

And the German political sphere would react except the Green Party, which used to be antiwar and now has an outsized control of German policy, was infiltrated and taken over by the CIA. And Schloz is a spinless doofus who may be hopping mad but can only wave his tiny fists and stamp his widdle feet. And then, only in private!

It's too funny!

Given that German living standards are plummeting, along with industrial output, this semi-naked aggression against Germany is setting up the current political parties for an implosion. I know tha CIA has tight control of German media, maybe the German govt will go for suppression, but Sahra Wagenknecht, a member of die Linke (far left party) is splitting with her party's globalist stance and now is as popular with AfD (right populist party) for her pro-German leftist stance. She could be a ral alternative. Or, she could be torpedoed, like other populist leaders (le Pen, etc)

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Thursday, February 9, 2023 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Huh. My money was on the UK.

By now it should be clear to Germans that Germany is a secondary target of the USA/UK.

Maybe the Germans are aware that Ramzan Kadyrov, a key ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, has begun rattling off threats about attacking Poland after Ukraine.

Kadyrov, the head of Chechnya, suggested Monday that Russia should “denazify and demilitarize” Poland next.

“What if, after the successful completion of the NMD, Russia begins to denazify and demilitarize the next country? After all, after Ukraine, Poland is on the map! I will not hide that I personally have such an intention,” Kadyrov said on Telegram. “I personally have such an intention, and I have repeatedly stated that the fight against Satanism should continue throughout Europe and, first of all, on the territory of Poland.”

Kadyrov warned Tuesday that the time has come for the West to fall to its knees before Russia, predicting that the so-called “special military operation” in Ukraine, would be over by the end of 2023.

“The special [military] operation will be over before the end of this year. European countries will admit they have been wrong, the West will fall to its knees, and, as usual, European countries will have to cooperate with the Russian Federation in all spheres,” Kadyrov said, according to TASS. “There should not and will never be an alternative to that.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-putin-ally-ramzan-kadyrov-says-he-wi
ll-not-hide-intention-to-invade-poland-anymore


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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