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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 2:57 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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The war is not yet over, but Ukraine has already lost


https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3261607-the-war-is-not-yet-o
ver-but-ukraine-has-already-lost
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake



That article is 10 months old and already parts of it have aged very badly.

Some of the inevitablist prophecies we've heard in this conflict:

"Helping Ukraine with weapons is pointless, Kyiv will fall in days..."
"Ukraine won't be able to stop the Russia army in the east..."
"Ukraine won't be able to launch offensives to win back its territory..."
"Soviet-trained Ukrainian forces won't be able to effectively use Western weapons..."
"Russia's mobilisation of hundreds of thousands will see it slowly crush Ukrainian forces..."

Here's to Ukraine continuing to prove the inevitablists wrong :)

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 3:50 AM

War in Ukraine demilitarizing the USA

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CSIS urges US to promptly hoard critical weapons


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Empty Bins in a Wartime Environment: The Challenge to the U.S. Defense Industrial Base
...The war in Ukraine has also exposed serious deficiencies in the U.S. defense industrial base and serves as a stark reminder that a protracted conflict is likely to be an industrial war that requires a defense industry able to manufacture enough munitions, weapons systems, and matériel to replace depleted stockpiles.



https://www.csis.org/analysis/empty-bins-wartime-environment-challenge
-us-defense-industrial-base



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Saturday, February 4, 2023 3:50 PM

Top Russian Official Blames America's Values for Sparking Ukraine War

During his interview, Lavrov referenced an opinion story written by Jake Sullivan — national security adviser to President Joe Biden — that was published by The Atlantic in 2019.

"No vision of American exceptionalism can succeed if the United States does not defeat the emerging vision that emphasizes ethnic and cultural identity," Sullivan wrote in the story, as noted by Lavrov. (Unsurprising, Lavrov chopped off half the sentence and thus changed the meaning of the original sentence. But what else do you expect from Lavrov? He is a sneaky, twisty snake.)

The Russian official also referenced another passage from Sullivan that said: "The core purpose of American foreign policy must be to protect and defend the American way of life."

Lavrov said such statements are "terrible" and take away from other nations "the right to remember their history."

He went on to claim that the U.S. government applies this philosophy in its relations to other countries. See Note 1.

"Just like they melted in a pot everyone who arrived in America, they now want to melt everyone else, so they essentially become Americans," the foreign minister said.

Elsewhere in the interview, Lavrov condemned NATO for continuing to supply Kyiv with military and financial aid.

"The whole of NATO is fighting against us, and all those allegations and incantations that 'we are not fighting, but only arming' — this is ridiculous," he said.

As he has before, Lavrov also claimed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is being manipulated by Western countries.

More at https://www.newsweek.com/russian-official-sergey-lavrov-blames-us-valu
es-sparking-ukraine-war-1778640


Note 1: It is self-evident that Lavrov chose to misinterpret the article, but what else would you expect from him? Lavrov was referring to the article “What Donald Trump and Dick Cheney Got Wrong About America” by Jake Sullivan.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230105225736/https://www.theatlantic.com
/magazine/archive/2019/01/yes-america-can-still-lead-the-world/576427
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We allowed an important idea — American exceptionalism — ­to be hijacked and misused. Now we need to rescue that idea and let it guide America at home and abroad.

For example, Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz published a book a few years ago called Exceptional, in which they boast of America’s unmatched “goodness” and “greatness” — conceding nothing, admitting no error. In their telling, the Vietnam and Iraq Wars were sound strategic decisions. George W. Bush’s administration’s use of torture was right; its critics were wrong. And on and on. Young people hear these kinds of arguments and say, Count us out.

Meanwhile, older generations are tilting toward a different outlook: the United States as the world’s No. 1 sucker. It’s time, many believe, to stop shouldering the burdens and letting others enjoy the benefits. This is Trump’s vision of “America first.” He is hostile toward America’s allies and contemptuous of cooperation. He loves to goad and bully (and even bomb) other countries and says alarming and irresponsible things about nuclear war. He has pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, the Paris climate agreement, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and more. He is not preaching isolationism; he is preaching predatory unilateralism.

Trump’s approach is dangerous, but he has surfaced questions that need clear answers. Those of us who believe that the United States can and should continue to occupy a global leadership role, even if a different role than in the past, have to explain why Trump is wrong — and provide a better strategy for the future.

II. Self-Correction, Self-Renewal

American exceptionalism has meant different things to different people at different times: the unique geographic advantages of the continent, the story of the Revolution and the writing of the Constitution, the legacy of the frontier, the impulse to

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 4:19 PM

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THG
Saturday, February 4, 2023 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

War in Ukraine demilitarizing the USA

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CSIS urges US to promptly hoard critical weapons


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Empty Bins in a Wartime Environment: The Challenge to the U.S. Defense Industrial Base
...The war in Ukraine has also exposed serious deficiencies in the U.S. defense industrial base and serves as a stark reminder that a protracted conflict is likely to be an industrial war that requires a defense industry able to manufacture enough munitions, weapons systems, and matériel to replace depleted stockpiles.



https://www.csis.org/analysis/empty-bins-wartime-environment-challenge
-us-defense-industrial-base







Nah, unlike Russia, America and our allies can make more. And work overtime doing it.

T

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 5:00 PM

Grim Insight Into Russian Tactics

The Russian military has been following the Wagner playbook and deliberately using the poorly trained troops to draw, and deplete, Ukrainian fire, senior American military and defense officials said.

Kusti Salm, Estonia’s deputy defense minister, in a briefing with reporters in Washington last week, said that Russia was better able to stand its losses than Ukraine.

“In this particular area, the Russians have employed around 40,000 to 50,000 inmates or prisoners,” Mr. Salm said. “They are going up against regular soldiers, people with families, people with regular training, valuable people for the Ukrainian military.”

“So the exchange rate is unfair,” he added. “It’s not one to one because for Russia, inmates are expendable. From an operational perspective, this is a very unfair deal for the Ukrainians and a clever tactical move from the Russian side.”

Moscow has thrown people it sees as expendable into battles for decades, if not centuries. During World War II, Joseph Stalin sent close to one million prisoners to the front. Boris Sokolov, a Russia historian, describes in a piece called “Gulag Reserves” in the Russian opposition magazine Grani.ru that an additional one million “special settlers” — deportees and others viewed by the Soviet government as second-class citizens — were also forced to fight during World War II.
( https://graniru-org.translate.goog/opinion/sokolov/m.285481.html?_x_tr
_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
)

“In essence, it does not matter how big the Russian losses are, since their overall human resource is much greater than Ukraine’s,” Mr. Salm, the Estonian official, said in a follow-up email. “In Russia the life of a soldier is worth nothing. A dead soldier, on the other hand, is a hero, regardless of how he died. All lost soldiers can be replaced, and the number of losses will not shift the public opinion against the war.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/02/us/politics/ukraine-russia-casualti
es.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 9:02 PM

It's amazing how the Democrat politicians and the Democrat ran media have turned the Democrat voters into NeoCon warmongers.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's amazing how the Democrat politicians and the Democrat ran media have turned the Democrat voters into NeoCon warmongers.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

And stupid ones at that.
They eat heaping mounds of steaming shit bfast, lunch, and dinner and thinks it's tasty.

Eeeew.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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Sunday, February 5, 2023 12:25 AM


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EU to Train 30,000 Ukrainian Troops as Kiev’s Losses Mount

by Kyle Anzalone and Connor Freeman | Feb 2, 2023

The European Union doubled its pledge to train Ukrainian forces from 15,000 to 30,000 troops. The EU made the announcement shortly after Berlin found Kiev was losing hundreds of soldiers a day fighting in just one Eastern Ukrainian city.
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The war has dragged on for nearly a year and Ukraine has reportedly suffered significant losses. In November, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said 120,000 Ukrainians had been killed, claiming 20,000 were civilians. More recently, the German foreign intelligence service has assessed that Kiev is losing a “three-digit number” of forces every day as Ukraine and Russia battle for the city of Bakhmut.




MORE AT https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/eu-to-train-30000-ukrainian-troo
ps-as-kievs-losses-mount
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Let's see... Since they said "triple digits" that could be anywhere from 100 to 999. At 100 Kiev soldiers killed every day, that's about 3,000 per month, or 36,000 per year. At the upper (unlikely) end that's about 360,000 in a year. In one battlefield alone.

Yanno, you would think cognitive dissonance alone would be enough to fry their poor little brains. Its widely acknowleged that Russia has at least a 10:1 advantage in artillery. That is dismissed as being superior in numbers but inaccurate. It's widely held that Russia is reducing cities to rubble, and then turning the rubble to dust. But then, it's claimed that Russia uses "human wave" tactics. So, what is the Russian command presumably doing? Sending waves of their own troops into their own artillery fire?

Isn't it more likely that Russia is pounding Ukrainian positions to rubble first, destroyng armored vehicles, trenches, bunkers and artillery, killing hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers, and THEN sending in their infantry?

And given weapons superiority, isn't it more likely that Russian troops are killing far more Ukrainians than the other way around? I mean, how izzit that Ukies are killing so many Russians? With their 5 remaining HIMARS? By throwing rocks?

The problem with cognitive dissonance is that it requires thinking in order to experience it. Facts must be brought together before colliding. Considering SECOND's inevitable self contradicions, I think we can rule him out as a thinker. and given THUGR's massive reality denial, we can rule him out, too.

BTW, the BBC's latest estimate of Russian dead (about a month ago) is about 12,000. Not 200,000.

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

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Sunday, February 5, 2023 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's amazing how the Democrat politicians and the Democrat ran media have turned the Democrat voters into NeoCon warmongers.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

And stupid ones at that.
They eat heaping mounds of steaming shit bfast, lunch, and dinner and thinks it's tasty.

Eeeew.

What I find amazing is that when Russians go on murder rampages, as they did in the immediate aftermath of WWII when Russians were killing German civilians who had surrendered, the Republicans of the world pretended like none of this was happening. The Russians killed a couple of million Germans after the surrender. See Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–1950), if you want to know.

And then there is the little twist where Russians built their first A-bomb and they immediately threatened to nuke the US. The Russians built their first H-bomb and they immediately threatened to nuke the US. The US then spent, adjusting for inflation, $6 trillion on ICBMs, nuclear subs, missile silos and its own bombs to counter the threatening Russians.

And what was old is now new with Russians. The Russians are back and threatening to nuke the US, but they make the threat everyday. In olden times, the Russians won't be so blatantly hostile, instead saving their threats for special annual occasions such as May Day parades.

If the US spent $6 trillion in the past to counter the Russians' nuclear threats, which lived mostly in the imaginations of Russians, the US can afford to spend another $1 trillion on the very real threats from Russians acting on their bloody impulses to murder women and children in Ukraine.

If the Russians actual take Ukraine, the next step is take back land that was once part of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. And there will be more Russian threats of nuking the US. It would be kind of wasteful for the US to spend another $6 trillion, to go with the previous $6 trillion, for even more nukes to counter Russia. It is much better for Ukraine to beat some sense into Russian thick skulls. Russia is the biggest and stupidest country in the world, and very proud of it!

The Costs of U.S. Nuclear Weapons
https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/costs-us-nuclear-weapons/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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