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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Sunday, January 8, 2023 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, don't worry SIX, SECOND will start hyperventilating about Trump again. It's better than posting about the USA's REAL ISSUES.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake


Before the Civil War, the vast majority of Americans who were living in the free states did NOT see slavery as an issue worth going to war over. That majority wanted help with their piddling little local problems rather than Abe Lincoln worrying about some alleged misconduct by slave owners and the misery of slaves living weeks in travel time away from the majority. Slave state Texas was farther away from California or Indiana, measured in travel time by horse, than Ukraine is, measured in travel time, but by jet. And yet Lincoln gave most of his attention to the problem of slavery rather than, as Signym says "the USA's REAL ISSUES" which Signym and 6ix constantly hint aren't being handled to 6ix and Signym's satisfaction. Nobody who knows Signym and 6ix cares what happens to those two, so why should Washington, DC? Whatever your "REAL ISSUES" are, nobody wants to know, let alone do anything about your "ISSUES".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, January 8, 2023 5:39 PM

Wagner’s Desensitized Prison Fighters Keep Staggering Into Bakhmut Like This Is a Zombie Apocalypse

HORROR SHOW - Ukrainians hunkered down in Bakhmut are watching drone footage in horror as Wagner’s band of murderers and prison rapists keep on marching into battle for the besieged city.

By Guillaume Ptak, Updated Jan. 08, 2023 2:33AM ET 

Bakhmut would constitute a personal prize for Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of the infamous Wagner paramilitary group, whose mercenaries make up most of the Russian forces in the area. The U.S. believes Prigozhin has a financial motive: Wagner has often seized lucrative gold and diamond mines in areas where it operates in Africa, and Prigozhin may have set his sights on the salt and gypsum mines around Bakhmut.

According to Rem, a former car dealer from Dnipro now correcting artillery fire with the help of his drone, most of the soldiers sent in suicidal assaults on Ukrainian positions in Bakhmut are “zeks,” or convicts, recruited by Wagner to bolster the number of Russian forces in Ukraine. “Mobiks [conscripts] are usually scared, and they scatter when they get shelled. Those guys are not scared,” he said.

Of the Wagnerites, Rem says that they’re a much more effective fighting force than they’re usually given credit for: “They’re making progress, after all.” Desensitized to violence and with nothing left to lose, the prisoners—many of whom are violent criminals including murderers and rapists—are considered by Ukrainian soldiers a tougher enemy than the average army conscript.

The Russian tactic of sending prison recruits to attack Ukrainian positions—allowing them to identify defenses for the artillery to pummel afterwards—has proven effective, though slow and deadly. While no major breakthrough has occurred, they have been slowly eroding Ukrainian defenses, and creeping ever closer to the eastern outskirts of the city.

This assessment was echoed in late December by Oleksandr Danylyuk, a former national security adviser for Ukraine currently working on military planning, who said of the prison conscripts: “They are—I cannot say fearless—but they have nothing to lose pretty much. So, they are attacking constantly and they’ve been killed in big quantities as well.”

Yet those incremental gains on the eastern approach to the city have come at a cost for Russian forces, as evidenced during Prigozhin’s well-publicized visit to the frontline over the New Year. In a series of videos released by Russian news agency RIA Novosti, the Wagner boss first visits a basement filled with the bodies of his fighters, many of them convicts, killed during the battle for Bakhmut, before complaining that “every house [in Bakhmut] has become a fortress”—and that it sometimes takes a week of fighting to take a single house.

Volodymyr Zelensky’s visit to the city in late December underscored the symbolic value of “fortress Bakhmut”—and the sacrifices made to defend it. A Ukrainian officer serving in the East, who asked to remain anonymous, ventured an estimate of a dozen casualties a day.

More at https://www.thedailybeast.com/wagners-desensitized-prison-fighters-kee
p-staggering-into-bakhmut-like-this-is-a-zombie-apocalypse


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, January 8, 2023 6:29 PM

Yesterday, Putin and members of the Russian Orthodox Church celebrated Christmas.
https://www.euronews.com/2023/01/07/vladimir-putin-attends-orthodox-ch
ristmas-mass-alone-as-ceasefire-request-fails-to-hold


Wasn't Christmas on December 25th? No, because Putin uses Julius Caesar's calendar, a different one than the rest of the world uses:

Introduced by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582, the Gregorian calendar is the world’s most widely used civil calendar and the one that western Christians -- including Catholics and Protestants -- use to celebrate Christmas on 25 December.

The calendar was initially proposed to make sure that Easter, the Church's most important festival, always fell around the spring equinox in response to a gradual time drift that was occurring under the previously-used Julian calendar.

But Orthodox Christians — excluding the Greek Orthodox Church, which adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1923, and parts of the Ukrainian faithful — still use the Julian calendar today. 

It is a solar calendar that was implemented in 46 BC by Julius Caesar and is a whole 13 days later than its Gregorian counterpart.

The almost two-week gap was caused by a slight miscalculation when the Julian calendar was first devised, leading to it falling more and more out of sync with the solar year as the centuries passed. As a result, Orthodox Christmas will eventually fall on 8 January by the year 2100. ( Julius Caesar's year was exactly 365 days and 6 hours long while a real year is 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, and 46 seconds. The difference every year tends to build up over the centuries.)

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2023/01/06/why-do-some-orthodox-chris
tians-celebrate-christmas-in-january


Russia will continue to fall more out of sync with the rest of the world until Russians change their ways.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, don't worry SIX, SECOND will start hyperventilating about Trump again. It's better than posting about the USA's REAL ISSUES.


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake


Before the Civil War, the vast majority of Americans who were living in the free states did NOT see slavery as an issue worth going to war over. That majority wanted help with their piddling little local problems rather than Abe Lincoln worrying about some alleged misconduct by slave owners and the misery of slaves living weeks in travel time away from the majority. Slave state Texas was farther away from California or Indiana, measured in travel time by horse, than Ukraine is, measured in travel time, but by jet. And yet Lincoln gave most of his attention to the problem of slavery rather than, as Signym says "the USA's REAL ISSUES" which Signym and 6ix constantly hint aren't being handled to 6ix and Signym's satisfaction. Nobody who knows Signym and 6ix cares what happens to those two, so why should Washington, DC? Whatever your "REAL ISSUES" are, nobody wants to know, let alone do anything about your "ISSUES".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




Not Sigs' and My issues. EVERYONE'S FUCKING ISSUES, YOU IDIOT.

If you haven't noticed, the economy is in shambles, crime is on the rise and starting to spill out from Democrat ran shitholes into the suburbs, and the aggregate of polls show that not even 30% of the voters think that we're on the right track.

Nobody gives one flying fuck about Ukraine.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:16 PM

Meanwhile, in REALITY...

We the People are going to start being the Police, since Democrats made it impossible for the police to do their jobs ever since summer of 2020.



Was this justified? ABSOLUTELY.

This shit happens seemingly EVERY FUCKING DAY now in this country, and it's the fault of DEMOCRATS and DEMOCRAT POLICY.


FUCK THIS DEAD DUDE. FUCK DEMOCRATS.

AND FUCK UKRAINE.

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Sunday, January 8, 2023 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, don't worry SIX, SECOND will start hyperventilating about Trump again. It's better than posting about the USA's REAL ISSUES.


-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake


Before the Civil War, the vast majority of Americans who were living in the free states did NOT see slavery as an issue worth going to war over. That majority wanted help with their piddling little local problems rather than Abe Lincoln worrying about some alleged misconduct by slave owners and the misery of slaves living weeks in travel time away from the majority. Slave state Texas was farther away from California or Indiana, measured in travel time by horse, than Ukraine is, measured in travel time, but by jet. And yet Lincoln gave most of his attention to the problem of slavery rather than, as Signym says "the USA's REAL ISSUES" which Signym and 6ix constantly hint aren't being handled to 6ix and Signym's satisfaction. Nobody who knows Signym and 6ix cares what happens to those two, so why should Washington, DC? Whatever your "REAL ISSUES" are, nobody wants to know, let alone do anything about your "ISSUES".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two




Not Sigs' and My issues. EVERYONE'S FUCKING ISSUES, YOU IDIOT.

If you haven't noticed, the economy is in shambles, crime is on the rise and starting to spill out from Democrat ran shitholes into the suburbs, and the aggregate of polls show that not even 30% of the voters think that we're on the right track.

Nobody gives one flying fuck about Ukraine.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

Apparently SECOND DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THAT THE USA AND UKRAINE ARE TWO SEPARATE NATIONS, WHOSE CITIZENS' INTERESTS ARE BOUNDED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE NATIONAL BORDERS.

I could be generous and explain away SECOND's constant trolling bc of confusion about/conflation of nationalities. But the reality is that SECOND wants to pit Americans against each other so he can continue his pillage. He not only hates Americans, he doesn't want us Americans to recognize our common interests. If we did, we might turn our attention towards ... him. So he doesn't care WTF he lies about and who he libels, as long as we're fighting amongst ourselves. Blaming ourselves and/or blaming each other. If we're doing that, we're not turning our attention towards.... him and people like him.

Unlike us, he recognizes his interests.



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Monday, January 9, 2023 2:23 AM

I actually did a little time thinking about Ukraine, as opposed to collecting a pastiche if facts.

A few things occurred to me.

One of them is that, if it's true that Russian reservists won't be fully trained until March (speculation is that Russia isn't just beefing up current forces, it's creating whole new divisions, which means training up whole new command, logistics and specialist structures along with it) then ANY "big arrow" offensive on Russia's part would be premature. So Russia would actually be very happy just to sit back and let Kiev troops and weapons come to them

AFA Ukraine's transportation infrastructure... If Russia is waging a war of attrition, then it has no interest in disrupting Ukrainian logistics near the front line. After all, how can Kiev keep pouring reinforcements into the various "meat grinders" that Russia set up if transportation near the front line is bollixed? So Russia won't totally close off cauldrons, or bomb railways and bridges on their side of the Dneiper bc 1) that facilitates Kiev throwing more forces into the fray and 2) eventually, Russia may want to use those structures themselves (especially since they have diesel locomotives of the correct gage).

AFA weapons coming in from the west: Russia probably has the means to interdict the flow of weapons, especially if they're coming thru the Polish-Ukraine border. There are a few critical tunnels and rail lines that could be destroyed.
But far as I know, these are still intact. As long as they remain intact,then Russia's current plan is probably to attrit western militaries as well. But they want to slow down the flow to a rate that they can destroy.

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Monday, January 9, 2023 3:40 AM

My reasoning is this:

Lavrov said something about critical tunnels and bridges. The tunnels are most likely railway tunnels in western Ukraine, which is mountainous, and are necessary for bringing weapons in from Poland. Now, if Russia knows where these tunnels are, why haven't they destroyed them with a few well-placed missiles? It's possible that Russia is allowing western weapons in bc they want to de-fang NATO as well as Ukraine.

But then, if they want western weapons filtering into Ukraine, why is Russia bollixing up Ukrainian (electric) railways by destroying the electrical grid?

Again, my guess is that they want weapons coming in, but only at a rate that they can destroy. Martyanov, an expat Soviet naval officer, keeps stressing that warfare is highly mathematical. How many shells do you need to fire to hit a target with 90pct probability? How much ammunition are you using per day? How much can you transport? How fast can you make it? How fast can the enemy make and transport weapons to the front, and how fast can you destroy it? What is the rate-limiting step?

I can imagine, among other things, a giant differential equation that takes a lot of this into account.

SECOND, as an engineer, might understand what I'm posting about.

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Monday, January 9, 2023 4:10 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Apparently SECOND DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THAT THE USA AND UKRAINE ARE TWO SEPARATE NATIONS, WHOSE CITIZENS' INTERESTS ARE BOUNDED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE NATIONAL BORDERS.

Signym, for what it is worth, the U.S.A. should have let Germany destroy Russia. Instead, the U.S.A. sent weapons to Russia. That was NOT in the best interests of the U.S.A. The Manhattan Project would have ended Germany if Hitler got too rambunctious for rich American Capitalists to tolerate. Hitler would have gladly solved the problem that Communism represented to those Capitalists, then the atom bomb wipes out the fascists and the U.S.A. forever dominates the world.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/us-soviet

If you are correct that national interests are bounded by borders then the U.S.A. should have stayed out of WWII. Tough luck, Churchill! After WWII, there should not have been a Marshall Plan (1948).
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/marshall-plan

Almost forgot the Japanese who would have starved without the US feeding them. The U.S.A. set up a competitor for world trade. Should have let them all die.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/japan-reconstruction

Then there is Korea. The U.S.A. set up another competitor for world trade. Should have let them all die.
https://www.kdevelopedia.org/Development-Overview/official-aid/broad-o
verview-us-aid-korea--201412120000421.do


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, January 9, 2023 4:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Apparently SECOND DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THAT THE USA AND UKRAINE ARE TWO SEPARATE NATIONS, WHOSE CITIZENS' INTERESTS ARE BOUNDED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE NATIONAL BORDERS.

Signym, for what it is worth, the U.S.A. should have let Germany destroy Russia. Instead, the U.S.A. sent weapons to Russia. That was NOT in the best interests of the U.S.A. The Manhattan Project would have ended Germany if Hitler got too rambunctious for rich American Capitalists to tolerate. Hitler would have gladly solved the problem that Communism represented to those Capitalists, then the atom bomb wipes out the fascists and the U.S.A. forever dominates the world.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/us-soviet

If you are correct that national interests are bounded by borders then the U.S.A. should have stayed out of WWII. Tough luck, Churchill! After WWII, there should not have been a Marshall Plan (1948).
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/marshall-plan

Almost forgot the Japanese who would have starved without the US feeding them. The U.S.A. set up a competitor for world trade. Should have let them all die.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/japan-reconstruction

Then there is Korea. The U.S.A. set up another competitor for world trade. Should have let them all die.
https://www.kdevelopedia.org/Development-Overview/official-aid/broad-o
verview-us-aid-korea--201412120000421.do


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

You're probably right.

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