First Amendment no big deal, students say.
POSTED BY: sgtgump
UPDATED: Monday, February 14, 2005 22:27
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It's scary, but OTOH it's nothing new. At the time of the American Revolution, approximately a third of the people wanted to remain subject to the King, and most of the remainder were lukewarm (at best) about the whole notion of independance. Similar surveys were done during and post-Vietnam with similar results.
Really, only a handful of people care about freedom in the abstract. Most people are uncomfortable about the whole concept of being responsible for their own thoughts and actions- they would rather that clergy tell them what to think, advertizers tell them what to buy, and government tell them what not to do. In my mind the ideal society fosters freedom, but experience tell me that the vast majority prefer to remain subjects. How depressing.
I have to say that Joss handles this very realistically. MOST people in his series prefer to remain within the Alliance. Of course, his series is about those others... the ones who want freedom.
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That so many of our students support government censorship demonstrates the great success of our educational system. For several decades, the goal of the system has been to indoctrinate students into Marxism.
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MARXISM???? Our schools wouldn't know Marxism if it was on the exit exam! Do they push dogma? Sure. Look at the Intelligent Design/ Creation "Science" cr*p they're pushing. Do they teach religion? Yep... "One nation under God" is recited every day. Do they teach obedience? Well, they're trying! But how does this relate to... Marxism???
It will be a cold day in hell if they actually teach kids how to ask questions and how to think. They would never dare approach the more controversial topics like... er, Marxism. As apparently you haven't either.
Why don't you actually read some books by Marx b4 you refer to Marxism? That way you won't make a complete *ss of yourself by confusing Marxism with something else.
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My peers disgust me. Just...wow (actually this was on Channel One today, but no one watches that).
I'm going to assume that none of you are teenagers who attend public school. Forgive me if any of you are. First Amendment rights are definitely restricted. I didn't stand for the pledge (for various reasons), I was threatened with a suspension from school. I insisted that I did not have to stand due to the Supreme Court ruling. I was pretty much ignored. Things are less strict at some schools, but First Amendment rights are heavily limited at my school.
"...Somebody should organize a picnic where they barbecue and play that game with a parachute and a giant World Ball and then we should go to that picnic and take all their stuff and make fun of them..." --Drew Goddard
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In the gulag that is our schools, indoctrination doesn't require that anything academic be taught. Our children are being trained from an early age to look to one central authority to run everything. They don't know what Marxism is and don't need to in order to be good little citizens and serve it.
Even teachers don't know what their teaching. The self-perpetuating Marxist machinery starting in the 20's with the "progressives" (even then Marxists/Communists/leftists would call themselves by another name) and got its first full crop of Marxist college students in the 60's to go off and indoctrinate the youngsters.
Talk to teachers right out of college about politics. Most could rightfully be described as Marxists/Communists/leftists (quote Marx and ask if they agree or disagree) but would describe themselves as liberals/moderates/independents.
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Even teachers don't know what their teaching. The self-perpetuating Marxist machinery starting in the 20's with the "progressives" (even then Marxists/Communists/leftists would call themselves by another name) and got its first full crop of Marxist college students in the 60's to go off and indoctrinate the youngsters.
Talk to teachers right out of college about politics. Most could rightfully be described as Marxists/Communists/leftists (quote Marx and ask if they agree or disagree) but would describe themselves as liberals/moderates/independents.
Excuse me?? You sort of blur Marxists, Communists, leftists, liberals, moderates, independents, progressives... So, to help me understand what your definition of Marxism is, could you please quote statements from Marx that you think "teachers right out of college" would agree with? Frankly, I can't think of any and I would be surprised if you could either.
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Actually..I don't believe the pledge is recited everyday like it was 20 years ago. So the "One Nation Under God" kinda gets washed out. Religion is a big NONO in modern education, right or wrong. As for Marxism..I dunno. I need to look at that abit closer, I'm not sure I agree with that sentiment LOL. Both sides of the political spectrum try to squelch the First Amendment Rights of anyone, if their views don't match theirs. I saw it when I was in school and I see it happening today.
The sad thing is..we have 2 political parties that run our country that are so out of touch with reality and the populace..I find myself wondering..How soon do we fall?
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Connorflynn wrote:
The sad thing is..we have 2 political parties that run our country that are so out of touch with reality and the populace..I find myself wondering..How soon do we fall
When I was younger a friend of mine (a theology student at Yale) told me that we were trending towards civil war and I dismissed it. I study conflict analysis at a public U and I recently brought this up to some acedemicians and they scoffed. I predict that our collapse will be just as under-predicted as that of the Soviet Union.
In MD the pledge is still said everyday over the intercom, even in high school. But there is no requirement for standing. Censorship is alive and well in both parties, just look at lists of banned books. Twain is especially hated by liberals, and just about every significant black author has been banned by conservatives.
The parties are all about controlling the zeitgeist in addition to the political structure.
If anyone finds a school that indoctrinates skepticism and critical thinking let me know so that I can send my kids. That is the one thing we should teach. But we don't.
Pardon the ramble I worked 9 hours and attended class for 5 yesterday.
-Eli
If voting mattered, they'd make it illegal.
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I'd need to look though my boxes of old books (I never get rid of books) to find my copy of the Communist Manifesto. I found the ten planks online and hope they'll do. I'll try to adress these from the "moderate liberal" point of view - most teachers.
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.
We need property taxes to fund education. (Property taxes are in effect rent to the government for property you "own".)
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Got that but we need "the rich" to pay even more.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance
We need to keep the estate tax. If the children of the rich need to sell their inheritance to pay the estate tax that's too bad.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
(I don't think these are supported by liberals in general).
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.
We need the FCC after all. Public transportation will help save the environment.
7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
(Not sure here either).
8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Strongly support Social Security and The Department of Labor.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
(Not sure here).
10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
No brainer here.
I'm sure the average teacher would easily support 6 out of ten. Scored a zero myself.
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Originally posted by Mallory:
First Amendment rights are definitely restricted. I didn't stand for the pledge (for various reasons), I was threatened with a suspension from school. I insisted that I did not have to stand due to the Supreme Court ruling. I was pretty much ignored.
My only advice, as a lawyer who attended public school in the past, is pick your line. Pick a line stand on it and fight.
Not standing for the pledge is fine, but is it worth the fight?
I always refused to vote in school elections. Caused quite a stir, but no real fight. The fight came later, when I took a stand against special privilages for Honor Students and Athletes. Being an average student didn't mean the school could discriminate against me. That was a line worth holding.
For the record: average got me through school, college, law school, and the bar exam. Thats just who I was, average student-gifted worker. Yet I'm a great attorney. My favorite part is a certain honor student classmate who works in my office...as a paralegal (couldn't pass the bar).
H
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