Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Nah...
Russian Security Council always knew it would be Russia v NATO/USA. They've been preparing for this since at least 2007: forging economic ties with China, oil- and gas-producing nations (Iran, Saudi Arabia), erstwhile neutral nations (India), and geographically important nations (Turkey, the 'stans). Building up their military and hardening their economy and financial systems.
Looking back, I can see that they hoped their feint towards Kiev would impel Kiev to negotiate. It almost, but ultimately didn't work. But they had backup plans, and backup plans to backup plans. Unlike before, tho, Russia doesn't intend to lose another 26 million in war. That's why the slow approach with standoff weapons.
Since we've been invading poor, militarily disorganized nations we've gotten used to seeing a pattern of warfare: bomb the snot out of everything, civilian and military targets alike, and then - when everything is flattened- send in the troops. If anything is still moving, call in an airstrike.
Russia doesn't seem to be doing that. They're fighting the whole collective west, so they're being conservative. It's not an easy fight. But it is a fight that I think Russia will ultimately win.
What does winning lookike?
Not taking Ukraine or any other European nation, that's for sure. I think it means a whole new security architecture.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Quote:Russia’s objectives in the war against Ukraine are anything but clear.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Nah...
Russian Security Council always knew it would be Russia v NATO/USA. They've been preparing for this since at least 2007: forging economic ties with China, oil- and gas-producing nations (Iran, Saudi Arabia), erstwhile neutral nations (India), and geographically important nations (Turkey, the 'stans). Building up their military and hardening their economy and financial systems.
Looking back, I can see that they hoped their feint towards Kiev would impel Kiev to negotiate. It almost, but ultimately didn't work. But they had backup plans, and backup plans to backup plans. Unlike before, tho, Russia doesn't intend to lose another 26 million in war. That's why the slow approach with standoff weapons.
Since we've been invading poor, militarily disorganized nations we've gotten used to seeing a pattern of warfare: bomb the snot out of everything, civilian and military targets alike, and then - when everything is flattened- send in the troops. If anything is still moving, call in an airstrike.
Russia doesn't seem to be doing that. They're fighting the whole collective west, so they're being conservative. It's not an easy fight. But it is a fight that I think Russia will ultimately win.
What does winning lookike?
Not taking Ukraine or any other European nation, that's for sure. I think it means a whole new security architecture.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
They have included “denazification” and “decommunisation”;
ensuring the security of inhabitants of the Donbas;
the demilitarisation and non-admission of Ukraine to Nato;
the return of formerly Russian lands;
the protection of the Russian language;
and even the “saving” of Ukrainian cities from gay parades.
The lack of clearly defined objectives makes the definition of victory uncertain. But this ambiguity also makes the criteria for defeat unclear — let alone one so bad as to endanger Putin. In fact, the Russian president had already survived several serious defeats: the invasion’s opening “blitzkrieg” failed, and Russian troops were forced to retreat from around Kyiv and several other cities. Russia lost the Moskva, the flagship of its Black Sea Fleet, and abandoned Snake Island, its first successful capture from the start of the war. After the hasty retreat from the outskirts of Kharkiv, another symbolically important target — the bridge to Crimea — was attacked. Other leaders might have already been toppled by such military failures, but not Putin.
The fact is that Putin’s supporters do not perceive the invasion of Ukraine as an act of aggression. For them, it’s a retaliation against the much more powerful west. Researchers of Russian society are observing a startling paradox. History puts Russia in a row of vast western colonial empires. But after its defeat in the cold war, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the economic hardships of the 1990s, a growing number of Russians felt they had been reduced to a colony ruled by western forces. They now believe they are casting off the yoke which so humiliated their country and “imposed” capitalism upon it.
In the eyes of dissatisfied Russians, any form of resistance to the west is a victory, almost regardless of the end result. Even in retreat, they will console themselves with the thought of having prevented Russia’s “further enslavement”. This is why there is no direct link between military setbacks and the weakening of Putin’s power. It is as difficult for the president to lose this war as it is to win it. Domestically, even the invasion itself is a sort of victory. Meanwhile, the passive majority can be convinced that any outcome is the best possible one. And the critics will be silenced with repression, just as they are now.
Peace endangers Putin’s status as the challenger of the west. The Russian president is pushed int
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
According to various independent analysts, it's been clear as mud what the Russian command would decide about Kherson. They've been making moves ... evacuating citizens and removing historic artifacts... that could be interpreted as either a planned defense or a planned retreat. They've also been building fortifications and trenches, which looked very much like a committed defense. But ultimately I guess the logistics of defending the far (western) side of a wide river looked too difficult and too costly.
Well, this is war. It would be unusual for one side or the other to experience unending victory. Inevitably there will be setbacks for both sides. Plus, think this is more in line with Russian strategy, which is NOT to take and hold ground, but to wear down Kiev's military while preserving their own.
So once the ground freezes, expect to see a Kiev offensive in Kherson. It will probably come with huge losses for Kiev since the western side of the river will be within artillery range of Russians.
When the Ukrainians move forward they will be able to hit anywhere the Russians set up in Ukraine. So good luck with that comrade.
Did you notice they waited for the midterms so Biden would not get a boost for America's role in beating Russia? I told you so comrade.
Hey signym, can_you_see_me_laughing?
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Putin’s dreams of establishing Russia as a great power on the back of its military strength are over, and so too are his ambitions of securing a legacy as one of the nation’s great state-builders. His reputation as a geopolitical mastermind is in tatters. Putin-the-man may still cling to power for years, but Putin-the-legend is dead.
Even brittle and stagnating regimes can hold on for a long time. Tsarist Russia was arguably brain-dead by 1911, when the brutally reformist Prime Minister Petr Stolypin was assassinated, but it still lasted through three years of catastrophe in the First World War before crumbling in 1917.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/11/opinions/after-putin-power-health-regim
e-galeotti/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Zelensky announced that he would hold peace negotiations if Russia agreed to five preconditions:
That they would restore Ukraine’s territorial integrity,
respect U.N. resolutions on the war,
pay to repair all damages caused by the war,
punish war criminals, and
guarantee that an invasion won’t happen again.
Noticeably missing from this list is a demand — which was part of an earlier, otherwise similar announcement — that Putin leave office. Zelensky signed a decree in October stating that Ukraine will never negotiate with Putin, though left open the possibility of holding talks with Putin’s successor. Given that Putin’s primary motive is to stay in power, this in effect put diplomacy off the table. The fact that the new demands say nothing about Putin’s fate retrieves the prospect of diplomacy from oblivion.
The prospects are still very dim. It is extremely unlikely that Putin would concede to any of Zelensky’s current five demands. But to an outside observer, the conditions at least seem reasonable. They hoist Zelensky to the high ground of any moral equation; they allow wavering supporters of Ukraine to conclude that he is interested in a diplomatic solution to the war.
If Putin were suddenly to become open to peace talks, his troop withdrawal from Kherson would facilitate the possibility. If both sides agreed someday to a cease-fire, the Dnieper river would be a natural line of demarcation—clear, unambiguous, and easily monitored. The line could also serve as the starting point of a peace negotiation. But, again, neither side seems quite ready for that: Zelensky thinks he’s winning; Putin thinks he’s not yet losing. The war seems likely to drag on for quite a while longer.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/11/russia-withdrawal-from-khe
rson.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by second:
Putin’s dreams of establishing Russia as a great power on the back of its military strength are over, and so too are his ambitions of securing a legacy as one of the nation’s great state-builders. His reputation as a geopolitical mastermind is in tatters. Putin-the-man may still cling to power for years, but Putin-the-legend is dead.
Even brittle and stagnating regimes can hold on for a long time. Tsarist Russia was arguably brain-dead by 1911, when the brutally reformist Prime Minister Petr Stolypin was assassinated, but it still lasted through three years of catastrophe in the First World War before crumbling in 1917.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/11/opinions/after-putin-power-health-regim
e-galeotti/index.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Poor polish Russian collaborator signym. After years of posting bullshit reality has smacked her in the mouth.
I wonder, can_she_see_me_lauhging?
T
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The UK defense ministry said in its daily assessment of the conflict that Russian forces have likely started deploying "barrier troops" or "blocking units" to deal with their own retreating soldiers.
According to recent media reports, both mobilized Russian soldiers and their officers are fleeing from combat in Ukraine.
Independent news outlet Verstka cited a Russian soldier on November 7 who said that his unit's commanders had fled from the front line near Makiivka on November 2. In contrast his battalion was ordered to dig trenches and hold defensive positions.
On Thursday, Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov demanded that the death penalty be reinstated in Russia for "traitors" and soldiers who retreat from battle in Ukraine.
Solovyov, an ally of Putin, made the remarks during his radio show Full Contact (Polny Contakt) shortly after Russia announced its withdrawal from the key Ukrainian city of Kherson.
"I believe that we should reject the moratorium on the death penalty and introduce articles allowing the execution of traitors and their accomplices, terrorists and their accomplices, sponsors, and financiers, including shooting deserters," he said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-soldiers-are-being-shot-a
t-if-they-abandon-positions-wives-claim/ar-AA13ZNCq
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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The Hunger Games inspires the Russian ambassador's fake stories. Ambassador will never admit he is lying to please Putin.
Moscow's ambassador to the U.S. has claimed that foreigners fighting alongside Ukraine's forces were "hunting" Russians fighting in the war.
Anatoly Antonov, a former deputy defense minister who has been the Russian envoy to Washington since 2017, told the Izvestia newspaper that "criminals" and "mercenaries" had joined the fight against Moscow's forces since Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine began on February 24.
Antonov said: "No one hides this in the West, a huge number of mercenaries and criminals of various stripes have accumulated on Ukrainian territory."
He added that they were "using the current situation as a kind of safari" and that they were "hunting for Russian lives."
Izvestia reported that he also said the West was using Ukraine as "an instrument of struggle" against Russia and that "there is a desire to make a third-rate state out of us, or even better — to split it up." I'll guess that the ambassador is inspired by some other science fiction movie that I am unfamiliar with to create this lie.
More at https://www.newsweek.com/antonov-russia-ukraine-war-mercenary-hunting-
safari-1758888
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Russia’s objectives in the war against Ukraine are anything but clear.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Nah...
Russian Security Council always knew it would be Russia v NATO/USA. They've been preparing for this since at least 2007: forging economic ties with China, oil- and gas-producing nations (Iran, Saudi Arabia), erstwhile neutral nations (India), and geographically important nations (Turkey, the 'stans). Building up their military and hardening their economy and financial systems.
Looking back, I can see that they hoped their feint towards Kiev would impel Kiev to negotiate. It almost, but ultimately didn't work. But they had backup plans, and backup plans to backup plans. Unlike before, tho, Russia doesn't intend to lose another 26 million in war. That's why the slow approach with standoff weapons.
Since we've been invading poor, militarily disorganized nations we've gotten used to seeing a pattern of warfare: bomb the snot out of everything, civilian and military targets alike, and then - when everything is flattened- send in the troops. If anything is still moving, call in an airstrike.
Russia doesn't seem to be doing that. They're fighting the whole collective west, so they're being conservative. It's not an easy fight. But it is a fight that I think Russia will ultimately win.
What does winning lookike?
Not taking Ukraine or any other European nation, that's for sure. I think it means a whole new security architecture.
-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
They have included “denazification” and “decommunisation”;
ensuring the security of inhabitants of the Donbas;
the demilitarisation and non-admission of Ukraine to Nato;
the return of formerly Russian lands;
the protection of the Russian language;
and even the “saving” of Ukrainian cities from gay parades.
The lack of clearly defined objectives makes the definition of victory uncertain. But this ambiguity also makes the criteria for defeat unclear — let alone one so bad as to endanger Putin. In fact, the Russian president had already survived several serious defeats: the invasion’s opening “blitzkrieg” failed, and Russian troops were forced to retreat from around Kyiv and several other cities. Russia lost the Moskva, the flagship of its Black Sea Fleet, and abandoned Snake Island, its first successful capture from the start of the war. After the hasty retreat from the outskirts of Kharkiv, another symbolically important target — the bridge to Crimea — was attacked. Other leaders might have already been toppled by such military failures, but not Putin.
The fact is that Putin’s supporters do not perceive the invasion of Ukraine as an act of aggression. For them, it’s a retaliation against the much more powerful west. Researchers of Russian society are observing a startling paradox. History puts Russia in a row of vast western colonial empires. But after its defeat in the cold war, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the economic hardships of the 1990s, a growing number of Russians felt they had been reduced to a colony ruled by western forces. They now believe they are casting off the yoke which so humiliated their country and “imposed” capitalism upon it.
In the eyes of dissatisfied Russians, any form of resistance to the west is a victory, almost regardless of the end result. Even in retreat, they will console themselves with the thought of having prevented Russia’s “further enslavement”. This is why there is no direct link between military setbacks and the weakening of Putin’s power. It is as difficult for the president to lose this war as it is to win it. Domestically, even the invasion itself is a sort of victory. Meanwhile, the passive majority can be convinced that any outcome is the best possible one. And the critics will be silenced with repression, just as they are now.
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Quote:I assume you are unaware that close to 99% of all Russians are hypocrites, fakers, cowards, shirkers, and liars at every opportunity? How would I know? Where is the proof? The best Russians left Russia, leaving the worst in charge. It is so very easy for the hollow inside people, the leftover Russians, to support war (such is their worthlessness) and yet, when forced into combat, they prove themselves to be one of the 99% who are hollow men performing in no way as if they believe in what they "support" in their overheated imaginations. About 50% of Americans are like that and they struggle to stay in the middle-class because they are hollow, painting their exterior to appear as solid individuals, but inside they are hypocrites, fakers, cowards, shirkers, liars, gluttons, drunks, just like 99% of Russians. With 99% of Russians being hollow it is inevitable that Russia is much poorer than America with only 50% hollow. It would be a better world if more of the hollow people would remake themselves into whole people.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, you're saying that Russia's war in Ukraine has widespread support in Russia?
Then you day that Russian soldiers are running away, and that the Ptin "regime" only stays in power bc people are afraid of him??
Do you suppose it's possible for you to bang your propaganda points together, and decide on ONE story, instead of splattering the board with contradictory crap?
Or are you just a committed crap-blaster?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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