Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
POSTED BY: captaincrunch
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Again, thinking out loud ...
Was listening to a roundtable yestderday hosted by an American-educated Chilean currently living in Kharkiv (Gonazlo Lira). The participants were- an American living in Thailand (Brian Berlectic), an American former CIA/security expert (Larry Johnson) and a Greek-born American currently posting from Greece, Cypress and other nations from SE Europe.
I only mention this in case you want to hear the video.
Anyway, there was nothing much new in it for me altho it may sound alien to ome of you. But there was one takeaway in it for me: The need for a "galvanizing event" to get the people of Europe and USA involved, another Pearl Harbor or 9-11.
Now, I believe that Russia is doing its damnedest to keep things from going nuclear (literally) and one of the things they might be trying to avoid is that "galvanizing event". Their responses so far have been calibrated to maximize the west's disunity and minimize coalescence. It's not like the M$M hasn't been trying to gin up SOME kind of galvanizing event, either by claiming victories or Russian atrocities, but so far people aren't very interested.
And it's not like the west hasn't been escalating all along, increasing the lethality of donated weapons, NATO intelligence, planning, command/control, and contract specialists. They even tried shelling a nuclear power plant hoping to blackmail Russia with potential nuclear disaster (they even claim tht Russia is shelling ... itself!), but so far they haven't taken the big step of providing long range missiles or actual NATO-enlisted troops.
Russia HAS warned the west against sending long-range missiles into its territory, however. Given the short flight time into Russia and short response time required, since any long-range missile can be tipped with nuclear warheads, I don't think that Moscow is going to wait for the explosion to decide what to do: If they see missiles coming over their border they're going to assume they're nuclear and respond with nukes.
So, what are the west's options now that Russia has the option of formally being at war with NATO (assuming a NATO nation takes the step of attacking or arming an attack on the newly-acquired oblasts) and NATO has been warned against sending missiles ove the border?
Well, I think it's a balancing act. Russia still doesn't want to provide a galvaniign event. So I imagine it will still be a slow grind on the ground, but with the added factor of (more) missile strikes against those ("secret") NATO centers in Ukraine that NATO can't object to bc they're not supposed to be there.
It'll be interesting to see if I'm right, or not.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM: The fact that you focus on ONE SENTENCE but can't answer my point tells me that you're the one scrambling and deflecting.
Also Originally posted by SIGNYM: Like SECOND'S posts I get one or two sentences in and I trip over something so egregiously stupid I have to stop.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You're stupider than I thought.
Actually, Zigglette, the reality is we're not as stupid as you wish we were. Your name calling is a tell. "You's so stupid!" It's a tell that you have nothing and you're scrambling, deflecting. We see this all the time when second runs circles around you and makes you look like an idiot. You come out swinging with the insults. You've been exposed as a fraud and your only defense is.... if we get bored. Such goals.
Hey comrade signym, take a swing at this.
T
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Russia is a country with a lot of valuable natural resources and a reasonably well-organized resource extraction sector. Countries like that — including core members like Canada and Norway and more peripheral ones like the UAE — are treated pretty well. Canada does not need a nuclear arsenal to prevent the stronger United States from storming in to take the oil sands and the hydroelectric dams. Russia is not going to get a better deal than that by becoming the junior partner in a Chinese-dominated alliance system. And they’re not going to obtain anything useful by destroying Ukraine or seizing its provinces. Whatever legitimate security interests Russia may have been trying to advance have only been undermined by this war. And the only real way out of the nightmare is for Russians to come to see that and act accordingly. In the meantime, we can tighten the noose on sanctions, keep supplying Ukraine, and continue to improve western energy policy. But there’s a nightmare lurking that only the Russians can avert.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Do you retards do anything productive on any given day, or is this all you've got in your sad, pathetic lives?
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So, again, thinking out loud.
What are the west's options at this point?
Conventional warfare: the west has emptied its warehouses of junk, and doesn't have any USEFUL weapons (HIMARS, etc) or munitions to spare. Western tanks wouldn't help w/o trained tank crews. Same with aircraft. I doubt that there are thousands, let alone tens of thousands, of mercenaries/paid volunteer infantry at the ready. We're already supplying as much intel and suport as we can. The only things that come to mind are long range missiles and sabotage/terror groups. Escalating to long range missiles might have terrible consequences, but I'm not sure our leadership is sane enough to care. But unless they go into crazy-land with misiles, or sabotage/terrorism I think we're stymied along those lines.
Sanctions: What is there left to sanction? Besides, it seems that sanctions are hurting the EU more than Russia. I suppose "secondary sanctions" ... i.e. applying sanctions to nations that continue to trade with Russia ... might be an avenue to explore. How other nations respond to being strong-armed by the USA prolly depnds on how economically vulnerable they are to the USD. China could be vulnerable to secondary sanctions bc China has a huge amount of USD and Treasury reserves which could be stolen by the USA at any moment. Not sure about India, since China is its biggest trading partner. A nation would have to be pretty tough-minded to withstand secondary sanctions.
A second (or third) front: The USA is adept at creating chaos in multiple arenas. They could crank up trouble in any of the CSTO nations, which would create an extra demand on CSTO's military/security forces, including Russia's. Taiwan. Syria (again, still). Venezuela. Iran. Any of the 'stans.
Regime change in Russia itself: I don't think it would happen, but it still might be tried.
False flag: This would be to create that "galvanizing event" that would persuade western nations (and people) to endure privation for the foreseeable future and provide an excuse for NATO to step in directly. CIA and MI6 are good at setting up false flags, but it would have to be so horrific as to finally engage the public: a major strike on territory outside Ukraine, a nuclear event, biowarfare ... something that would make the western public fearful for their personal safety.
The nuclear option: It's always on the table. Z, Liz Truss, van der Crazy and other western leaders talk about winning a nuclear war. I don't think it's on the top of the list, but I think it's always there.
Repression at home, propaganda 24/7: Of course, western press will continue to spread disinfo and propaganda to anyoen who will listen. The problem is that anyone who was able to be propagandized already is, and anyone who isn't is already dismissing what the western media has to say.And, of course, the (non democratic) EU and individual eurocrats and USA deep staters will do their best to repress/intimidate anyone not following the narrative, keeping people "in line".
Unless there's some brilliant scheme I haven't thought of, seondary sanctions, terrorism in Russian or pro-Russian areas (with plausible deniability), second/third fronts, and repression at home seem like the most likely. It won't change what's going to happen in Ukraine, but Ukraine was never the point anyway: it's all about destroying Russia.
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Nuclear War 'Already a Given' Says Russian TV: 'Everyone Will Be Destroyed'
By Gerrard Kaonga On 9/23/22 at 6:30 AM EDT
Russia State TV Warns The West If They Are Pushed Into A Corner Everybody Dies
Russian state TV hosts and guests have warned the West that if they feel Russia has been pushed into a corner they will ensure "everyone will be destroyed."
The rhetoric surrounding the war in Ukraine has been escalated by Russian President Vladimir Putin, who gave a speech earlier this week. In the pre-recorded statement on Wednesday, he announced the partial mobilization of Russians to go fight in Ukraine.
In addition, Putin warned the West that Russia wasn't bluffing about the use of nuclear weapons being used if Ukraine continues to receive support.
Military expert Igor Korotchenko and state TV host Olga Skabeeva agreed that Russia would use nuclear weapons if they felt Russia was under threat of being destroyed.
The video has also gone viral with over 160,000 views, after being posted by the Daily Beast's Julia Davis.
Korotchenko said: "The only thing the West fears today is the possibility of Russia using its tactical nuclear weapons.
"In this regard, the words uttered by Vladimir Putin are very valuable nonetheless.
"In the West they're considering them and analyzing what would be the circumstances for Russia to use such an argument in order to avoid any scenarios that Moscow would consider to be unacceptable."
"The West has to understand: if certain weapons exist, taboos and limitations on using them could be lifted in certain circumstances."
The host went on to defend Russia's position regarding Ukraine and said the country was not looking for conflict.
"What do they want? They want a victory over Russia," Skabeeva said.
"It is impossible to defeat Russia without a nuclear explosion. It's out of the question.
"We will not allow the destruction of our country, if you're trying to destroy us, you will be destroyed along with us.
"What are our next actions? [Striking] the decision-making centers? In Kyiv, London, Washington - where?
"What should we do to avoid the nuclear war, or is it already a given? It certainly seems that way.
"If they don't stop, it will become a reality. What is the goal of the collective West?
"The victory of Ukraine and the defeat of Russia. As long as the Russian Federation has nukes, [and we do], its defeat is impossible.
"Push us into the corner- everyone will be destroyed. Is that what they're trying to achieve?
"Putin said it so succinctly, so clearly. We aren't threatening, we don't want war. We're the first in line to stop it.
"We don't want a nuclear winter or nuclear war, But if you declare that we will be destroyed, we will have to destroy you."
Newsweek has contacted Russia's ministry of foreign affairs for comment.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-nuclear-weapons-strike-america-west-wa
rning-nukes-everybody-dies-vladimir-putin-1745649
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... but Ukraine was never the point anyway: it's all about destroying Russia.
So... the West made Russia invade Ukraine... so the West could destroy Russia...? Eh?
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Originally posted by second:
Nuclear War 'Already a Given' Says Russian TV: 'Everyone Will Be Destroyed'
Russia State TV Warns The West If They Are Pushed Into A Corner Everybody Dies
It would be extremely helpful if they would define "Pushed Into A Corner."
and
I guess we have no choice but to nuke them first. < / snark >
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Quote:Signym did that thing Signym always does with a few magic words -- presto chango! Sigymn magically converts the daily reality that Russia is attacking Ukraine into some future magical fantasy where the world will be attacking Russia at some indeterminate time yet to be revealed:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Nuclear War 'Already a Given' Says Russian TV: 'Everyone Will Be Destroyed'
Russia State TV Warns The West If They Are Pushed Into A Corner Everybody Dies
It would be extremely helpful if they would define "Pushed Into A Corner."
and
I guess we have no choice but to nuke them first. < / snark >
Quote:It is the same old story out of Russia, which can stop the West from attacking Russia by Russia attacking first. To this day I don't think the Russians will ever understand that Russia started two wars with Finland, and lost both, but blaming Finland for being belligerent. https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+war+with+finland
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
CIA and MI6 are good at setting up false flags, but it would have to be so horrific as to finally engage the public: a major strike on territory outside Ukraine, a nuclear event, biowarfare ... something that would make the western public fearful for their personal safety.
The nuclear option: It's always on the table. Z, Liz Truss, van der Crazy and other western leaders talk about winning a nuclear war. I don't think it's on the top of the list, but I think it's always there.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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