How Does Russia Want to Lose?

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, March 24, 2022 6:18 AM

https://www.wired.com/story/biden-putin-russia-lose-ukraine-war/

Putin, Biden Face a Dangerous Choice: How Does Russia Want to Lose?

As Russia's failures mount in its war against Ukraine, can Biden prevent an isolated Putin from doing the unthinkable?
US President Joe Biden meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the 'Villa la Grange' in Geneva on June 16 2021

THREE WEEKS INTO Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, as its underperforming military bogs down in the face of a world-inspiring defense effort, US president Joe Biden and Russian president Vladimir Putin find themselves caught between the cautionary lessons of history and today’s geopolitical realities.

Almost nothing has gone according to Putin’s earlier plans: Ukraine rallied against his military, inflicting horrendous losses and making it clear that Russia will never be welcomed into the former Soviet republic, and the world has united against Putin’s government, inflicting an immediate economic toll that already poses the greatest threat to his ongoing leadership in two decades.

Now Putin faces a dangerous question with destabilizing consequences for the West and the world beyond: How does he want to lose this war? What more of Russia’s treasury, economy, and people—and, not least of all, his own political power—is he willing to risk to either grind down Ukraine or preserve his hold on the country he’s led for nearly a quarter-century?

Meanwhile, half a world away, Biden faces his own, fraught choice—how to punish and defeat Russia without risking a war he’s clearly chosen not to fight and hold the line on American aid in the face of popular and political pressure to escalate.

For both presidents, the political calculations are informed by a half-century of geopolitical lessons reaching from the Cold War to Afghanistan to Libya.

VLADIMIR PUTIN’S WAR of choice in Ukraine caught nearly everyone—including his own troops—by surprise. The act seemed so irrational, so costly, and such a throwback to a previous era (tanks in European capitals?) that few imagined Putin’s build-up as much more than his normal saber-rattling. After all, it was clear to everyone, except perhaps Putin, that Ukraine was fundamentally different—in size, geography, and geopolitics—from previous targets in Chechnya and Georgia.

Now that Putin has cast his lot in Ukraine, nearly every passing day seems to confirm that he has made an awful, hubristic, and perhaps even politically fatal mistake.

Russian military losses are staggering: Leaked numbers appear to indicate as many as 9,800 killed and 16,000 wounded. That would be the equivalent of the US losing 12,000 to 15,000 soldiers in the multi-week 2003 invasion of Iraq, which actually saw just about 140 Americans killed. Ukrainian officials say a half-dozen generals and top Russian commanders have been killed in action, around a quarter of all the leaders it deployed to the field—while the US lost a single general in 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan and none in the Gulf War. Those human and material costs to Russia will only mount, and it’s apparent that the billions of dollars in “modernization” spent on the Russian military have failed to deliver an intimidating force. Russia’s military might will only grow weaker as it brings forward even less-prepared units. And the country has apparently turned to China for help with the most basic military supplies.

The Ukrainian response has made it clear that any long-term attempt to occupy the country will come at an impossible price, both in terms of Russian casualties and ongoing financial costs. Russia simply does not possess a military force capable of subduing a resistance as strong as that put forward by Ukraine’s 43 million people. The American Enterprise Institute and the Institute for Study of War, the think tanks that have been providing the most thorough unclassified battle analysis available, offered an assessment over the weekend that “Ukrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian campaign of this war,” adding, “the initial Russian

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, March 24, 2022 7:25 AM

There should be peace, whatever person needs food or needs to flee

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

It's clear he knows his long-running playbook has now failed him.

Both Ukraine and the Russian Federation are over, maybe not today but some time

...a war is ongoing...

In an event
of Apocalyspe Doomsday

Russia might punch America
but before Lady Liberty crumbles the USA will hit back twice as hard

The power of these weapons is horrific and mighty
How did a person turn to atoms and get their particles scorched into the walls and their ghostly shape imprinted upon land?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:23 AM

There isn't going to be any nukes.

Take a chill pill, Karen.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

SECOND

Thursday, March 24, 2022 9:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There isn't going to be any nukes.

6ix, that is as foolish as saying you aren't going to die from smoking, so you smoke.

About half of all smokers will die from smoking, and of these, about half will die before or around age 50. These numbers come from a landmark 50-year study of physicians in England, initiated in 1951. Similarly, research from the ongoing Nurses' Health Study, published in May 2008 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, finds that 64 percent of nurses who smoked died from smoking-related causes. The life expectancy for a smoker in the United States is about 64, which is 14 years shorter than the national average (which includes smokers), according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

6ix, since you haven't already quit smoking then you understand nothing, including mentally unsound V. V. Putin toying with nukes because if he can't have Ukraine, no one can have it. He said the West needs “to take account of a new reality and understand that everything I have said today is not a bluff”.

Smoking's Many Myths Examined
https://www.livescience.com/3093-smoking-myths-examined.html

Vladimir Putin's most terrifying quotes on using nuclear weapons - 'Russia is invincible'
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1572948/russia-nuclear-weapons-Vl
adimir-Putin-quotes-evg

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:45 AM

Nukes have nothing to do with me smoking.

There's not going to be any nukes you fucking fear-porn junkie Karen bitch.

Go fucking live in a bunker with your fake wife and fake daughters and your Reaverfan persona. Nobody wants to listen to you anymore.

--------------------------------------------------

Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

SECOND

Thursday, March 24, 2022 5:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nukes have nothing to do with me smoking.

There's not going to be any nukes you fucking fear-porn junkie Karen bitch.

Go fucking live in a bunker with your fake wife and fake daughters and your Reaverfan persona. Nobody wants to listen to you anymore.

6ix, what does Putin see when he sees this WARNING?

The stunts in this movie were performed by professionals, so for your safety and the protection of those around you, do not attempt any of the stunts you’re about to see.

Probably Putin sees nothing because it is from Jackass Forever and he is too superior to watch such decadent trash from America. Then Putin thinks of stunts involving low-yield atom-bombs and Kyiv. He is thinking that would make a great movie ending.

What does 6ixstringJack see when he reads the WARNING label on cigarettes? Probably nothing. Those warnings are Fake News. Nobody dies of cancer/emphysema/stroke/heart disease. All Fake News. And 6ix can quit whenever he wants. This tendency to underestimate risks appears particularly pronounced in adolescents, who have been shown to express unrealistic optimism about their ability to quit smoking after they start smoking. For example, only 3 percent of twelfth-grade daily smokers reported that they would still be smoking in 5 years, but 63 percent were daily smokers 7 to 9 years later.

I'm pretty sure Putin thinks he can smoke one city, Kyiv, and then he can stop. Well . . . maybe smoke two cities. Oh, why not smoke all the cities in Ukraine and finish the 20 nukes that come in every pack?

AMA Journal of Ethics
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/images-cigarette-warning-
labels-how-should-they-warn/2013-08

Postscript: I did a search on this reaverfan you think is me and found this:
' The truth - We will go extinct, very soon.'
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62952

I now see the similarities, with URLs to support arguments, but reaverfan was never me.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, March 24, 2022 7:13 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:

I'm pretty sure Putin thinks he can smoke one city, Kyiv, and then he can stop. Well . . . maybe smoke two cities. Oh, why not smoke all the cities in Ukraine and finish the 20 nukes that come in every pack?

Texas droll.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:

I'm pretty sure Putin thinks he can smoke one city, Kyiv, and then he can stop. Well . . . maybe smoke two cities. Oh, why not smoke all the cities in Ukraine and finish the 20 nukes that come in every pack?

Texas droll.

Texas dumbassery.

There's people to fear in the world, and Putin ain't one of them.

And none of those people win if Putin drops nukes.

You're going to be fine.

--------------------------------------------------

Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

SECOND

Thursday, March 24, 2022 10:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's people to fear in the world, and Putin ain't one of them.

What? I wonder what mental model you have of how the world works. You're blasé about dangerous things (cigarette? Putin? ) and upset about, I don't know, renaming a street or taking down statues to Civil War traitors and slave-owners.

One of Putin's ship blew up. He is probably thinking about nuking Kyiv in retaliation: Russian Ship Destroyed by Ukraine in Berdyansk
https://www.newsweek.com/orsk-russian-ship-destroyed-ukraine-berdyansk
-videos-1691333

A small nuke. A kiloton and a half. No bigger than the blast of supply ship full of explosives. Putin will act surprised when told by a foreign diplomat that he over-reacted. Putin will reply, "Why shouldn't I make a forceful response to neo-Nazis who dare kill brave Russian sailors?" And away goes Putin to the next crazy step toward WWIII.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

THG

Tuesday, March 29, 2022 11:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

https://www.wired.com/story/biden-putin-russia-lose-ukraine-war/

Putin, Biden Face a Dangerous Choice: How Does Russia Want to Lose?

As Russia's failures mount in its war against Ukraine, can Biden prevent an isolated Putin from doing the unthinkable?
US President Joe Biden meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the 'Villa la Grange' in Geneva on June 16 2021

Today, Biden’s balancing act is understanding the extent to which Putin views himself as inseparable from the state. As this war becomes an existential threat to Putin, will it bring forth even greater tragedy? Can Biden navigate a path to help Putin lose without destroying the world?

++++++++++++

T

THG

Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:12 AM

T

THG

Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:38 AM

Sigs got her head in a toilet about now with kiki right behind her.

T

Russia has ordered its troops to withdraw from two front line positions in eastern Ukraine in the face of a shock advance by Ukrainian forces.

THG

Saturday, June 17, 2023 9:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
https://www.wired.com/story/biden-putin-russia-lose-ukraine-war/

Putin, Biden Face a Dangerous Choice: How Does Russia Want to Lose?

As Russia's failures mount in its war against Ukraine, can Biden prevent an isolated Putin from doing the unthinkable?
US President Joe Biden meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the 'Villa la Grange' in Geneva on June 16 2021

THREE WEEKS INTO Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, as its underperforming military bogs down in the face of a world-inspiring defense effort, US president Joe Biden and Russian president Vladimir Putin find themselves caught between the cautionary lessons of history and today’s geopolitical realities.

Almost nothing has gone according to Putin’s earlier plans: Ukraine rallied against his military, inflicting horrendous losses and making it clear that Russia will never be welcomed into the former Soviet republic, and the world has united against Putin’s government, inflicting an immediate economic toll that already poses the greatest threat to his ongoing leadership in two decades.

Now Putin faces a dangerous question with destabilizing consequences for the West and the world beyond: How does he want to lose this war? What more of Russia’s treasury, economy, and people—and, not least of all, his own political power—is he willing to risk to either grind down Ukraine or preserve his hold on the country he’s led for nearly a quarter-century?

Meanwhile, half a world away, Biden faces his own, fraught choice—how to punish and defeat Russia without risking a war he’s clearly chosen not to fight and hold the line on American aid in the face of popular and political pressure to escalate.

For both presidents, the political calculations are informed by a half-century of geopolitical lessons reaching from the Cold War to Afghanistan to Libya.

VLADIMIR PUTIN’S WAR of choice in Ukraine caught nearly everyone—including his own troops—by surprise. The act seemed so irrational, so costly, and such a throwback to a previous era (tanks in European capitals?) that few imagined Putin’s build-up as much more than his normal saber-rattling. After all, it was clear to everyone, except perhaps Putin, that Ukraine was fundamentally different—in size, geography, and geopolitics—from previous targets in Chechnya and Georgia.

Now that Putin has cast his lot in Ukraine, nearly every passing day seems to confirm that he has made an awful, hubristic, and perhaps even politically fatal mistake.

Russian military losses are staggering: Leaked numbers appear to indicate as many as 9,800 killed and 16,000 wounded. That would be the equivalent of the US losing 12,000 to 15,000 soldiers in the multi-week 2003 invasion of Iraq, which actually saw just about 140 Americans killed. Ukrainian officials say a half-dozen generals and top Russian commanders have been killed in action, around a quarter of all the leaders it deployed to the field—while the US lost a single general in 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan and none in the Gulf War. Those human and material costs to Russia will only mount, and it’s apparent that the billions of dollars in “modernization” spent on the Russian military have failed to deliver an intimidating force. Russia’s military might will only grow weaker as it brings forward even less-prepared units. And the country has apparently turned to China for help with the most basic military supplies.

The Ukrainian response has made it clear that any long-term attempt to occupy the country will come at an impossible price, both in terms of Russian casualties and ongoing financial costs. Russia simply does not possess a military force capable of subduing a resistance as strong as that put forward by Ukraine’s 43 million people. The American Enterprise Institute and the Institute for Study of War, the think tanks that have been providing the most thorough unclassified battle analysis available, offered an assessment over the weekend that “Ukrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian camp

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