O.I.S.--the gun River "finds."

POSTED BY: Malicious
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MALICIOUS

Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:35 PM

River leans over and picks up the twig gun, right? I seem to recall Mal saying after he gets it away from her that it's Jayne's gun and the only way River could have gotten ahold of it is if she picked the lock on the safe or Jayne left it out. Hello! She's a genius with numbers! She picked the safe. Therefore, it IS in a not-Jayne's-fault direction. I should have been a lawyer.

Capisce?

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Sunday, January 30, 2005 10:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Malicious:
River leans over and picks up the twig gun, right? I seem to recall Mal saying after he gets it away from her that it's Jayne's gun and the only way River could have gotten ahold of it is if she picked the lock on the safe or Jayne left it out. Hello! She's a genius with numbers! She picked the safe. Therefore, it IS in a not-Jayne's-fault direction. I should have been a lawyer.

Who's the jury going to believe? Little, sweet (if with a touch of oddness about her) River or big bad, scary Jayne? Who, if I might remind the members of the jury, keeps his guns secure by covering them with a blanket in his room.

The prosecution rests.

"I threw up on your bed"

THEREALME

Monday, January 31, 2005 1:01 AM

I think that River read Jayne's mind to get the combination to the gun locker.

Guns are serious business for Jayne. I don't think that he would let them lie around, especially after the butcher knife incident.

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MONTANAGIRL

Monday, January 31, 2005 1:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Malicious:
She picked the safe. Therefore, it IS in a not-Jayne's-fault direction.

Given that Jayne's guns are hidden behind a blanket, as was pointed out, does he mean he keeps his room locked when he says that his guns are locked up? 'Cause they're definitely not in a safe. That's never quite made sense to me. Although River could just as easily unlock his door as unlock a safe.

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All others tolerated.

DIRTYBROWNCOAT

Monday, January 31, 2005 4:59 AM

Well, to me, the doors never seemed to be that hard to get into...unless they were locked.

Jubal locked them in Objects in Space, but it wasn't like when you lock your front door...there wasn't a "lock" that could be picked. It was magnetic, or electronic, or something.

Anyway, what about Veera? In Our Mrs. Reynolds, we saw him holding it while standing inside this hidden little hallway in the cargo bay. Could've been there that she found it.

Simon: You...you came for us.
Mal: You're on my crew.
Simon: Right. I guess I just didn't...you don't even like me.
Mal: You're on my crew. Why we still talking about this?
-Safe

NEEDLESEYE

Monday, January 31, 2005 6:39 AM

OK this is "out there", probably been thought of though.
Maybe River picked Jayne's holster then erased the thought from his mind that he had the gun on him in the first place.
Shoot, maybe she used telekenisis transporting the gun there on the floor, but her mind is so distorted she made it a stick in her mental universe, forgetting in the real 'verse, its still a gun.

OK maybe thats silly???

Keeper of Jayne's goggles. 8)

MONTANAGIRL

Monday, January 31, 2005 6:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by needleseye:
OK this is "out there", probably been thought of though.
Maybe River picked Jayne's holster then erased the thought from his mind that he had the gun on him in the first place.
Shoot, maybe she used telekenisis transporting the gun there on the floor, but her mind is so distorted she made it a stick in her mental universe, forgetting in the real 'verse, its still a gun.

OK maybe thats silly???

Keeper of Jayne's goggles. 8)

I really like that theory. It fits in with what else was going on in OiS. (Damn, why can't I think of stuff like that?

)

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All others tolerated.

MALICIOUS

Monday, January 31, 2005 8:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
... if I might remind the members of the jury, keeps his guns secure by covering them with a blanket in his room.
The prosecution rests.

What, that's not secure?? Oops!

Mal-licious

Co-Holder of the Red Bell from Hell

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, January 31, 2005 9:58 PM

OK, the reason for securing stuff inside a spaceship, is of course it's tendancy to move around if you do not.

I highly suspect that gun is not Jaynes, Mal simply assumes it is, cause it's not his or Zoe's and Jayne seems to collect em... I'd almost wager Mal has no idea how many or what kind of guns Jayne has in his room.

That bein said, where did it come from ?

My thoughts run to 2 places - firstoff, that weapon looks very similar to the one River takes from Kaylee and kills three of Niska's goons with in War Stories.
Could be that she simply hung onto it, and in the confusion of the rescue, no one accounted for it or put it back

Second, it could have been dropped during the scuffle on the ship in Heart of Gold, and simply slid out from under something where it was lodged, onto the floor during manuvering.

Also as an outside possibility, River may have set it down and/or discarded it after use in War Stories ("it's just an object") and then it fell, got lodged somewhere, and slid out during manuvers of the ship later.

You see, if you don't secure stuff on a ship, it does tend to move around, especially during tight/violent manuvers - you don't secure something well enough and then go into a hard braking, it could brain you on it's way back...

Just some thoughts,
-F

ZEEK

Monday, January 31, 2005 10:58 PM

Very good point. I like the theory that it's the same gun River used in War Stories. There could be any number of ways that it got back out into the middle of the floor if River wandered off with it after the fight. Which makes sense too, because if River had returned the gun wouldn't someone have found out earlier about her being a part of the fight? I like it.

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