O.I.S.--the gun River "finds."

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MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Monday, January 31, 2005 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Very good point. I like the theory that it's the same gun River used in War Stories. There could be any number of ways that it got back out into the middle of the floor if River wandered off with it after the fight. Which makes sense too, because if River had returned the gun wouldn't someone have found out earlier about her being a part of the fight? I like it.

Not to shoot down debate, but isn't it rather clear from the writing that it is Jayne's gun, he keeps them either hidden and/or locked away, and River knew how and where to find it because of the oddness to her?

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CLAUDIUS

Tuesday, February 1, 2005 2:08 AM

OK this is Crazy but it entered my mind recently when I saw Objects in Space. River made it be there with her head. Keep in mind that it isn't Jayne's Mal's or Zoe's and something loose like that would be put away if it was just lying around on the floor of the hold like that, that just makes plain sense. Ok I know she is obviously psychic, but remember in Trash how she told Jayne that she could kill him with her brain, she may have been joking. But I like to think that she has more powers in her brain than we are just told. I don't know what does anyone out there think?

GUNRUNNER

Tuesday, February 1, 2005 4:50 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
My thoughts run to 2 places - firstoff, that weapon looks very similar to the one River takes from Kaylee and kills three of Niska's goons with in War Stories.
Could be that she simply hung onto it, and in the confusion of the rescue, no one accounted for it or put it back

It’s not the gun from WS. The gun in WS was a Browning; the one in OIS was a Desert Eagle.

I think she swiped it from the weapon's locker in the cargo bay. Jayne might have kept a few of his guns there just in case.

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THEREALME

Tuesday, February 1, 2005 5:27 AM

Jayne did not deny that it was his gun. And there was talk that River had to know a combination to get it out of a locker.

She read the combination out of Jayne's mind, I think, because she sensed that Early was coming and she was getting ready to fight.

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RABIT

Tuesday, February 1, 2005 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by TheRealMe:
Jayne did not deny that it was his gun. And there was talk that River had to know a combination to get it out of a locker.

She read the combination out of Jayne's mind, I think, because she sensed that Early was coming and she was getting ready to fight.

That's my feelings, also.

Rabit

BYTETHEBULLET

Tuesday, February 8, 2005 7:40 PM

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Originally posted by GunRunner:
Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
My thoughts run to 2 places - firstoff, that weapon looks very similar to the one River takes from Kaylee and kills three of Niska's goons with in War Stories.
Could be that she simply hung onto it, and in the confusion of the rescue, no one accounted for it or put it back

It’s not the gun from WS. The gun in WS was a Browning; the one in OIS was a Desert Eagle.

I think she swiped it from the weapon's locker in the cargo bay. Jayne might have kept a few of his guns there just in case.

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Thank you! You saved me from having to post the answer. Well, I did have to post this though.
Unregardless, you nailed it on the head.

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MAGICALTREVOR

Wednesday, February 9, 2005 9:10 PM

I was watching the pilot episode again today and it looks like the gun that Lawman Lawrence has at the end of the episode. (He has two, and when simon jumps him, he loses the small black one to simon but still has a large silver one)

BLUEBOMBER

Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:53 AM

The gun River uses in 'War Stories' is taken away by Kaylee, so it's doubtful that it's the same weapon. Since it's not practical to leave guns lying about the ship, I do think River would have had to go to Jayne's locker. However, assuming Jayne keeps his weapons in his room, and given that Jayne's room is in a different part of the ship, I don't see how she could have gotten it from him. The only explanation would be that there is are weapons stored in the cargo bay somewhere, and that River read Mal's or Jayne's minds to get to it.

Her line, "It's just an object; it doesn't mean anything," indicates that she ascribes a different meaning to what she's holding (remember, to her the gun appeared to be a broken twig, "just an object). So I doubt, even though she may have sensed Early's coming, she wouldn't be getting ready for a fight.

Which leads me to a question: Has anyone else heard about Summer Glau learning Chinese martial arts for "Serenity?" I heard a rumor. I wonder if that means River will have fight scenes? I bet she kicks some serious Alliance ass.

DJ

RABIT

Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:19 PM

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Originally posted by BlueBomber:
Her line, "It's just an object; it doesn't mean anything," indicates that she ascribes a different meaning to what she's holding (remember, to her the gun appeared to be a broken twig, "just an object). So I doubt, even though she may have sensed Early's coming, she wouldn't be getting ready for a fight.

I mentioned this in another thread, but it's pertinent here, also: I personally think that there were two things going on in this scene, up until the group found her with the gun.

When River woke up, sensing Early, a part of her psychically/astrally/whatever wandered about the ship. This is the part that we saw, the reason that no one actually acknowledge's River's presence in any of the scenes.

However, her body was off preparing to defend itself, Taking one of Jayne's guns from the "locker" (which is probably in the cargo area, as that's where she ends up with it - isn't that where they go in War Stories to load everyone up?), unlocking it with the information she'd read from Jayne (cuz he's weak minded

), and preparing for Early's arrival. Fortunately, her mind and her body got back together before her body started doing something that she would have regretted.

I personally think that this is a part of the programming that the school was doing to her, part of what's been discussed in some of the spoilers for the movie (that I'm not going to mention as this is currently a spoiler-free thread - if you want to know, please go to one of the spoiler threads!).

But hey, that's just me...

Rabit

THEREALME

Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:56 PM

Right. I was not assuming that River was consciously preparing for Early. Just her subconscious and/or programming. I think that is what took over in War Stories, too. River takes a peek, but does not look at the men she guns down. She doesn't do it consciously.

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