The Hill: Americans Not where Democrats want them on Abortion

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 14, 2022 9:44 AM

https://thehill.com/opinion/3556573-pavlich-americans-not-where-dems-w
ant-them-to-be-on-abortion/

No shit. The extremists are running the show there and most Democrat voters aren't on board with them.

It's hilarious looking at quotes from some Democrats in the last two decades on Abortion and how the little worms changed their tune this year.

Fuck Democrats.

If this issue moves the needle at all, it will be more people voting against Democrats or just staying at home.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, July 14, 2022 11:59 AM

Only in America - where access to safe abortions, universal health care and any restrictions on gun ownership - is seen as far left policies

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:24 PM

People don't have a problem with safe, legal and rare. They do have a problem with this:

73% of Americans, which include many democrats, don't believe that abortion after the first trimester should be legal.

WTF are you doing with your life that you're so busy you can't kill your baby for 3 months?

And about those gun rights, how are those Covid internment camps treating you?

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Thursday, July 14, 2022 2:58 PM

Spoken like a man who really has no idea about abortion - or women for that matter.

Here are a few reasons:

Many tests are only able to be done post first trimester - so if you have an unviable pregnancy or serious issue with the foetus you probably won’t know til 15+ weeks
Many women have irregular periods - particularly if they are older and may not be aware that they are pregnant til past first trimester
Many women have bleeding throughout their pregnancy -
Many women have few pregnancy symptoms and may not even show or feel any movement

In any event- what’s it to you / there are a million reasons why someone might need an abortion - it’s a discussion for a woman and her health care provider - not you. I note that this is not about limiting abortion but for many states prevention all together - not even being able to procure one elsewhere. It’s totally backwards

Obviously earlier termination is safest and less traumatic but you’d have to have a decent health care system for that

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 14, 2022 3:28 PM

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Originally posted by MAGONSDAUGHTER:
Spoken like a man who really has no idea about abortion - or women for that matter.

Here are a few reasons:

Many tests are only able to be done post first trimester - so if you have an unviable pregnancy or serious issue with the foetus you probably won’t know til 15+ weeks
Many women have irregular periods - particularly if they are older and may not be aware that they are pregnant til past first trimester
Many women have bleeding throughout their pregnancy -
Many women have few pregnancy symptoms and may not even show or feel any movement

In any event- what’s it to you / there are a million reasons why someone might need an abortion - it’s a discussion for a woman and her health care provider - not you. I note that this is not about limiting abortion but for many states prevention all together - not even being able to procure one elsewhere. It’s totally backwards

Obviously earlier termination is safest and less traumatic but you’d have to have a decent health care system for that

What's it to me?

A slut that I knocked up murdered my baby. She didn't ask my opinion. The doctors didn't ask my opinion. The state didn't ask my opinion.

And then there's always the chance that she was lying to me from the beginning about it, which is arguably worse. Only in today's society would a woman be able to lie about something like that and get away with it because women hold all the power.

And what part of SAFE, LEGAL AND RARE is so fucking hard to wrap your thick head around anyhow?

If a woman is actually going to die giving birth of course she should have the choice for a life saving operation.

And I suggest that if you're not on the pill and you're regularly fucking men you have no intention of having kids with, then you should be testing regularly too. It'll be doubly important now after you can't have an abortion after the first trimester unless the baby will kill you.

And I take it that you didn't watch the video celebrating abortion above, did you?

It's gross abuse like this that has brought this issue to a head.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, July 14, 2022 4:05 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by MAGONSDAUGHTER:
Spoken like a man who really has no idea about abortion - or women for that matter.

Here are a few reasons:

Many tests are only able to be done post first trimester - so if you have an unviable pregnancy or serious issue with the foetus you probably won’t know til 15+ weeks
Many women have irregular periods - particularly if they are older and may not be aware that they are pregnant til past first trimester
Many women have bleeding throughout their pregnancy -
Many women have few pregnancy symptoms and may not even show or feel any movement

In any event- what’s it to you / there are a million reasons why someone might need an abortion - it’s a discussion for a woman and her health care provider - not you. I note that this is not about limiting abortion but for many states prevention all together - not even being able to procure one elsewhere. It’s totally backwards

Obviously earlier termination is safest and less traumatic but you’d have to have a decent health care system for that

What's it to me?

A slut that I knocked up murdered my baby. She didn't ask my opinion. The doctors didn't ask my opinion. The state didn't ask my opinion.

Why should it?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 14, 2022 6:03 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by MAGONSDAUGHTER:
Spoken like a man who really has no idea about abortion - or women for that matter.

Here are a few reasons:

Many tests are only able to be done post first trimester - so if you have an unviable pregnancy or serious issue with the foetus you probably won’t know til 15+ weeks
Many women have irregular periods - particularly if they are older and may not be aware that they are pregnant til past first trimester
Many women have bleeding throughout their pregnancy -
Many women have few pregnancy symptoms and may not even show or feel any movement

In any event- what’s it to you / there are a million reasons why someone might need an abortion - it’s a discussion for a woman and her health care provider - not you. I note that this is not about limiting abortion but for many states prevention all together - not even being able to procure one elsewhere. It’s totally backwards

Obviously earlier termination is safest and less traumatic but you’d have to have a decent health care system for that

What's it to me?

A slut that I knocked up murdered my baby. She didn't ask my opinion. The doctors didn't ask my opinion. The state didn't ask my opinion.
Why should it?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Because if she decided that she wanted it and I didn't, I'd have been paying child support for 18 years and half of college.

That's fucking why.

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SIGNYM

Thursday, July 14, 2022 10:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MAGONSDAUGHTER:
Spoken like a man who really has no idea about abortion - or women for that matter.

Here are a few reasons:

Many tests are only able to be done post first trimester - so if you have an unviable pregnancy or serious issue with the foetus you probably won’t know til 15+ weeks
Many women have irregular periods - particularly if they are older and may not be aware that they are pregnant til past first trimester
Many women have bleeding throughout their pregnancy -
Many women have few pregnancy symptoms and may not even show or feel any movement

In any event- what’s it to you / there are a million reasons why someone might need an abortion - it’s a discussion for a woman and her health care provider - not you. I note that this is not about limiting abortion but for many states prevention all together - not even being able to procure one elsewhere. It’s totally backwards

Obviously earlier termination is safest and less traumatic but you’d have to have a decent health care system for that

SIX: What's it to me?
A slut that I knocked up murdered my baby. She didn't ask my opinion. The doctors didn't ask my opinion. The state didn't ask my opinion.

SIGNY: Why should it?

SIX: Because if she decided that she wanted it and I didn't, I'd have been paying child support for 18 years and half of college.

That's fucking why.

I woud return your words to you:

If you're having sex (especially sex with sluts) and you don't want children, use reliable birth control. Always.

But your heartburn seems more in the other direction: What if she doesnt want children but you do?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 14, 2022 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I woud return your words to you:

If you're having sex (especially sex with sluts) and you don't want children, use reliable birth control. Always.

But your heartburn seems more in the other direction: What if she doesnt want children but you do?

That's not an argument.

It's moot now, anyhow. The days of women having their cake and/or playing baby executrix are coming to an end.

I would suggest to any young women out there who are going to have an abortion in the first trimester going forward to just keep the fact that they're pregnant to themselves.

If you haven't noticed, it's become quite a bit more of a crazy, murderous world out there than it was 20 years ago, and I'll bet there will be no shortage of Zoomer 20-somethings with the maturity of a 2nd grader who aren't going to be able to internalize their hate like I did, and that callous choice just may end up ruining three lives instead of just one.

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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, July 14, 2022 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I woud return your words to you:

If you're having sex (especially sex with sluts) and you don't want children, use reliable birth control. Always.

But your heartburn seems more in the other direction: What if she doesnt want children but you do?

That's not an argument.

It's moot now, anyhow. The days of women having their cake and/or playing baby executrix are coming to an end.

I would suggest to any young women out there who are going to have an abortion in the first trimester going forward to just keep the fact that they're pregnant to themselves.

If you haven't noticed, it's become quite a bit more of a crazy, murderous world out there than it was 20 years ago, and I'll bet there will be no shortage of Zoomer 20-somethings with the maturity of a 2nd grader who aren't going to be able to internalize their hate like I did, and that callous choice just may end up ruining three lives instead of just one.

Seriously, why did you get her pregnant? Especially if you thought of her as a slut? Did you ask her if she wanted to get pregnant? Damn - condoms are a lot cheaper than kids.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, July 14, 2022 11:45 PM

I didn't think of her as a slut when we were together.

It's funny how your perceptions of someone change after they tell you they're pregnant and then they murder the baby and tell you about it over the phone. Hell... The message probably would have come via text in the 2020s.

She was on the pill. At least she said she was.

She's a liar and a baby murderer. Or maybe she's just a liar twice over.

I'll never know. I'm a modern man in America with just as few rights as the murdered babies have.

If it's any consolation to you, I learned my lesson. Loud and clear. Shame on me.

There will never be a point in time where I ever put myself or a potential life in the hands of a woman again.

I have everything to lose and nothing to gain. There is zero ROI in a relationship with American women in the 2020s.

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SIGNYM

Friday, July 15, 2022 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I didn't think of her as a slut when we were together.

It's funny how your perceptions of someone change after they tell you they're pregnant and then they murder the baby and tell you about it over the phone. Hell... The message probably would have come via text in the 2020s.

She was on the pill. At least she said she was.
She's a liar and a baby murderer.

NO method of birth control is 100% sure except sterilization or vasectomy. (Even after a vasectomy there are still live sperm wriggling around. I think men need to wait two weeks before having unprotected sex.) With birth control pills, there are any number of reasons for failure including the pill being too low a dose or the woman being overweight, and some interfering anticonvulsants, antibiotics, and herbals/supplements (like St John's wort), or taking the pill late. If birth cntrol is used PERFECTLY it still fails 2% of the time, and in the real world it fails 10% of the time.

You were OK with her taking birth control pills THEN. You apparently didn't like the idea of being a father THEN. You weren't ready to be a father THEN. If you really wanted to be a father THEN, you could have told her that you would like to try again, on purpose, and proposed to her to make the idea real. But your childhood experience could have made you gun shy about the idea of family. It would be understandable: having a bad experience makes people not want to repeat that experience!

And changing your mind after-the-fact and being bitter, angry and resentful over might-have-beens..? That hints that you might not be ready for fatherhood, even now. Being a good parent and spouse involves a lot of sacrifice and compromise, and you can't carry grudges or engage in unrealistic thinking if you want to raise your child right. I should know: life doesn't always happen ideally.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, July 15, 2022 7:07 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I didn't think of her as a slut when we were together.

It's funny how your perceptions of someone change after they tell you they're pregnant and then they murder the baby and tell you about it over the phone. Hell... The message probably would have come via text in the 2020s.

She was on the pill. At least she said she was.
She's a liar and a baby murderer.
NO method of birth control is 100% sure except sterilization or vasectomy. (Even after a vasectomy there are still live sperm wriggling around. I think men need to wait two weeks before having unprotected sex.) With birth control pills, there are any number of reasons for failure including the pill being too low a dose or the woman being overweight, and some interfering anticonvulsants, antibiotics, and herbals/supplements (like St John's wort), or taking the pill late. If birth cntrol is used PERFECTLY it still fails 2% of the time, and in the real world it fails 10% of the time.

You were OK with her taking birth control pills THEN. You apparently didn't like the idea of being a father THEN. You weren't ready to be a father THEN. If you really wanted to be a father THEN, you could have told her that you would like to try again, on purpose, and proposed to her to make the idea real. But your childhood experience could have made you gun shy about the idea of family. It would be understandable: having a bad experience makes people not want to repeat that experience!

So... what? I was given a phone call that she might be pregnant and because I didn't propose to her on the spot the time clock I wasn't even aware of had started ticking and a week later she murders my baby without me having any input.

This seems okay to you then?

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And changing your mind after-the-fact and being bitter, angry and resentful over might-have-beens..?

Changing my mind? The only thing I changed my mind on was what a piece of shit she was for doing that.

What the literal fuck, Sigs. Do you think that men are emotionless robots?

I know I might not have handled that situation the best that I could of, and I know through my 42 year old eyes that my 22 year old self could have been a lot better than it was, but that doesn't justify baby murder. We could have talked about it. We could have done more. Instead of being scared alone we could have been scared together and figured it out.

But the government and the doctors had a perfect solution that didn't involve me at all.

I hope for her sake there isn't a heaven and hell, and all of that is just fairy tales. My conscience is clean.

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That hints that you might not be ready for fatherhood, even now. Being a good parent and spouse involves a lot of sacrifice and compromise, and you can't carry grudges or engage in unrealistic thinking if you want to raise your child right. I should know: life doesn't always happen ideally.

Nothing about my life has been ideal. I watched the state ruin my father's life for 25 years after he made the mistake of telling my mom he cheated on her, and then everything in my entire family's life sucked ever-after.

And then I sat and watched while the state did the exact same thing to my best friend who didn't want to have a kid, but has had to live like a pauper into his 40's paying for it because WOMEN HAVE ALL OF THE POWER.

That's fine. I'm done.

I will never, ever have a relationship with a woman again.

And that would be my advice to any young man growing up.

The only way you maintain any control in your life as a male is by refraining from getting your dick wet. Falling into that trap is the easiest way of losing at the game of life.

Life is so much easier when you realize that there's nothing a woman can do for you that you can't do for yourself, and that "love" is nothing but some happy chemicals that fire up in your b

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 16, 2022 3:13 AM

One week???
I was under the impression that you didn't even know there was a pregnancy until afterwards.

So, what happened in that week? Did you talk to your then g/f? Say anything about getting tested or ask how far along she was or... anything?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, July 16, 2022 6:20 AM

Of course there is room for grieving if the child you thought you might have doesn’t eventuate - been there plenty of times- but boy does 6 hold a grudge.

Personally a good thing that they didn’t have to co parent or 6 pay any child support. It would have been a world of pain - very few people do it well and 6 - well he is a true misogynist so it would have been bad all round. An unwanted child, a financial burden and bitter resentment- hell it’s his MOD all over.

I don’t wonder at the number of abortions - I wonder that people don’t do it more frankly -

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 16, 2022 8:50 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
One week???

Yeah. One week. I'm sure I've had to have mentioned that one of the times this issue has come up before. What's this... like the 4th time now?

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I was under the impression that you didn't even know there was a pregnancy until afterwards.

What? No. My whole problem was that she called me up to tell me that she was pregnant and thought it was mine. Then I finally get a call from her a week later and she said "You know that problem I was talking about before? I took care of it."

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So, what happened in that week? Did you talk to your then g/f? Say anything about getting tested or ask how far along she was or... anything?

We didn't talk at all. I don't think she liked the way the phone conversation went when she decided to dump it on me over the phone instead of in person like a normal human being would have done. I tried calling her back, but she didn't answer. Had I known baby murder was not only on the table but actively being pursued, I would have gone to see her personally.

I don't know how long these things take, which is why I always suspected she was lying and testing me because of how quick it happened. But to be able to say that maybe something good comes out of rehashing this shit once again, maybe I should give her the benefit of the doubt on two fronts here...

1. Maybe she wasn't lying.

2. Maybe the timetable was a lot longer than one week on her side of the equation.

I have no idea what the support system was on her side or what pressures anybody else was putting on her. I'd only ever met her dad once, and never met anybody else in her family. The only friends I knew she had were people we both knew through the party scene that we met at several parties before getting together. I never really got the feeling that she had any close friends. A lot of girls I had dated prior to her had a lot of female friends who I got to know well during the dating process, but this girl never wanted to hang out with anybody else when we were together unless it was another party. As relationships go, this wasn't exactly a long one... and had what happened never have happened, she'd might not even be somebody I really remember dating in the first place all these years later.

She could have already been a month or more into the process of getting an abortion. Maybe that one call to me WAS the only time that somebody asked my opinion. Maybe she wanted me to say something that would save her from doing something she really didn't want to do and I fucked that up because I was a dumb 22 year old AND I did not know the full scope of what was already being planned behind the scenes.

Assuming the whole thing wasn't just a manipulative lie, I'm probably being unfair to her. My problem with this whole system as it is isn't really with Women themselves. It's how women are enabled and entitled to do all of this, and how unfair the burden of everything ends up being on men.

Everything is decidedly slanted in the woman's favor. The only way to be a free man is to not have sex with women if you're not sterilized, never get married to a woman, and don't ever move in with one where someday somebody can come after your money and belongings under some common-law loopholes.

My non-home-improvement expenses so far this year haven't even hit $3,000. That's everything including insurance and half of my yearly property taxes. One of my married with children buddies needs to make twice that much in a month just to cover the basic bills. And he's not even the one who's been paying child support and college fees out his ass for the last 20 years.

Gross.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 16, 2022 8:57 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Of course there is room for grieving if the child you thought you might have doesn’t eventuate - been there plenty of times- but boy does 6 hold a grudge.

Personally a good thing that they didn’t have to co parent or 6 pay any child support. It would have been a world of pain - very few people do it well and 6 - well he is a true misogynist so it would have been bad all round. An unwanted child, a financial burden and bitter resentment- hell it’s his MOD all over.

I don’t wonder at the number of abortions - I wonder that people don’t do it more frankly -

You don't know me. You certainly didn't know me before I became bitter.

Take your judgement and stick it up your ass where it belongs.

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, July 16, 2022 9:46 AM

Yeah I dont know you but I’ve read your bitter hate filled rants over the years.
Men like you are why women fight so hard for reproductive rights like contraception and access to safe abortion, so they don’t end up tithed to some resentful jerk.
That woman you slept with - she couldn’t win. If she’d had the baby you would have been a trapped man who had to support a kid you didn’t want or the ‘slut’ who making a decision about her own body and future - murdered your child.
It’s a good thing you stay clear of women - that at least is a good decision on your behalf.

Men with your views - and thankfully not all men- have always resented womens capacity to produce life - it makes you furious that that is something you can not do and historically the patriarchy has done it’s darndest to make sure that women can’t make choices around their own fertility. I know this discussion is pointless because you so deeply hate women, but having control over one’s fertility was a total game changer for us. We weren’t stuck with having unwanted children to care for and to raise - because that is women lot when they fall pregnant - 20+ years of financial emotional and physical support - longer if your child has a disability or mental health problems.

So you want to thrown your views around about abortion - you get to be judged on the process. That’s how it goes.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 16, 2022 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yeah I dont know you but I’ve read your bitter hate filled rants over the years.
Men like you are why women fight so hard for reproductive rights like contraception and access to safe abortion, so they don’t end up tithed to some resentful jerk.
That woman you slept with - she couldn’t win. If she’d had the baby you would have been a trapped man who had to support a kid you didn’t want or the ‘slut’ who making a decision about her own body and future - murdered your child.
It’s a good thing you stay clear of women - that at least is a good decision on your behalf.

Men with your views - and thankfully not all men- have always resented womens capacity to produce life - it makes you furious that that is something you can not do and historically the patriarchy has done it’s darndest to make sure that women can’t make choices around their own fertility. I know this discussion is pointless because you so deeply hate women, but having control over one’s fertility was a total game changer for us. We weren’t stuck with having unwanted children to care for and to raise - because that is women lot when they fall pregnant - 20+ years of financial emotional and physical support - longer if your child has a disability or mental health problems.

So you want to thrown your views around about abortion - you get to be judged on the process. That’s how it goes.

Here's a lesson kids...

Anybody (Man or Woman

) who uses the word "Patriarchy" not ironically is somebody who's opinions on anything can easily be ignored, and nothing of value will be lost by not allowing this person into your life.

Get fucked, you little vampire potbelly goblin.

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, July 16, 2022 10:40 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Yeah I dont know you but I’ve read your bitter hate filled rants over the years.
Men like you are why women fight so hard for reproductive rights like contraception and access to safe abortion, so they don’t end up tithed to some resentful jerk.
That woman you slept with - she couldn’t win. If she’d had the baby you would have been a trapped man who had to support a kid you didn’t want or the ‘slut’ who making a decision about her own body and future - murdered your child.
It’s a good thing you stay clear of women - that at least is a good decision on your behalf.

Men with your views - and thankfully not all men- have always resented womens capacity to produce life - it makes you furious that that is something you can not do and historically the patriarchy has done it’s darndest to make sure that women can’t make choices around their own fertility. I know this discussion is pointless because you so deeply hate women, but having control over one’s fertility was a total game changer for us. We weren’t stuck with having unwanted children to care for and to raise - because that is women lot when they fall pregnant - 20+ years of financial emotional and physical support - longer if your child has a disability or mental health problems.

So you want to thrown your views around about abortion - you get to be judged on the process. That’s how it goes.

Here's a lesson kids...

Anybody (Man or Woman ) who uses the word "Patriarchy" not ironically is somebody who's opinions on anything can easily be ignored, and nothing of value will be lost by not allowing this person into your life.

Get fucked, you little vampire potbelly goblin.

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Touched a nerve did I?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 16, 2022 10:45 AM

Nope.

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Saturday, July 16, 2022 11:11 AM

Keep telling yourself that Jack. Still hating on someone that 'did you wrong' 20+ years ago.

Meanwhile, is Texas truly the most backward place on Earth (although I hear Houston is quite okay)

SIGNYM

Saturday, July 16, 2022 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
One week???

SIX: Yeah. One week. I'm sure I've had to have mentioned that one of the times this issue has come up before. What's this... like the 4th time now?

I've only heard the end part of the story: how you hate the slut who murdered your baby and how women have all the power.

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SIGNY: I was under the impression that you didn't even know there was a pregnancy until afterwards.

SIX: What? No. My whole problem was that she called me up to tell me that she was pregnant and thought it was mine. Then I finally get a call from her a week later and she said "You know that problem I was talking about before? I took care of it."

THOUGHT it was yours? She wasn't sure? She was having sex with other men at the time? Seems a bit more complicated than I thought.

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SIGNY: So, what happened in that week? Did you talk to your then g/f? Say anything about getting tested or ask how far along she was or... anything?

SIX: We didn't talk at all. I don't think she liked the way the phone conversation went when she decided to dump it on me over the phone instead of in person like a normal human being would have done. I tried calling her back, but she didn't answer.

How did the conversation go?

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SIX: Had I known baby murder was not only on the table but actively being pursued, I would have gone to see her personally.

What did you think her options WERE? Wait until you cooled down/ came around? Maybe miss a deadline for a legal abortion?

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SIX: I don't know how long these things take, which is why I always suspected she was lying and testing me because of how quick it happened. But to be able to say that maybe something good comes out of rehashing this shit once again, maybe I should give her the benefit of the doubt on two fronts here...
1. Maybe she wasn't lying.
2. Maybe the timetable was a lot longer than one week on her side of the equation.

Well, I dn't know what time limits she was facing on her side of the story. There were limits back then in various states ... still are, and even stricter now ... when a woman can legally get an abortion. Like MAGONS said, some women have irregular periods, so a having one be late or even skipped might not be unusual. If she was on the pill, it screws things up, timing-wise. She might have been farther along than either of you realized. She may have been facing a deadline you don't know about.

I look at this from her POV, of course: She's pregnant. She gets a shocked and maybe angry reaction from the (potential?) father. Then, silence. The clock is ticking. What is she to do? Have a child in the HOPE that "dad" will come around?

I know a woman who did that. She was a mess to begin with - bipolar (I think) and self-medicating. The dad (who worked for me for a short while) insisted on a paternity test before accepting that the child was his (Smart move, actually, she was a party-person when she was high.) The whole situation wasn't good for mom, dad, or the child since neither of the parents were really fit to be/interested in being parents.

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SIX: I have no idea what the support system was on her side or what pressures anybody else was putting on her. I'd only ever met her dad once, and never met anybody else in her family. The only friends I knew she had were people we both knew through the party scene that we met at several parties before getting together. I never really got the feeling that she had any close friends. A lot of girls I had dated prior to her had a lot of female friends who I got to know well during the dating process, but this girl never wanted to hang out with anybody else when we were together unless it was another party. As relationships go, this wasn't exactly a long one... and had what happened never have happened, she'd might not even be somebody I really remembe

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 16, 2022 10:34 PM

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Keep telling yourself that Jack. Still hating on someone that 'did you wrong' 20+ years ago.

Still hating on somebody who murdered a baby 20 years ago.

You, on the other hand, are just as insignifigant to me today as you were before I had the pleasure of meeting you. There is nothing that you could possibly ever do or say to change that fact.

And mama, I know it's tearing you up inside.

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Meanwhile, is Texas truly the most backward place on Earth (although I hear Houston is quite okay)

What are you asking me about Texas for?

The only things they got in Texas are steers and queers. And Second ain't got no horns.

Go ask Second.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, July 16, 2022 11:19 PM

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One week???

SIX: Yeah. One week. I'm sure I've had to have mentioned that one of the times this issue has come up before. What's this... like the 4th time now?
I've only heard the end part of the story: how you hate the slut who murdered your baby and how women have all the power.

You only LISTENED to that part of the story before. I've told it every time. There's no reason to have not done so. I'm assuming the rest of it got through to you now because KIKI isn't here.

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SIGNY: I was under the impression that you didn't even know there was a pregnancy until afterwards.

SIX: What? No. My whole problem was that she called me up to tell me that she was pregnant and thought it was mine. Then I finally get a call from her a week later and she said "You know that problem I was talking about before? I took care of it."
THOUGHT it was yours? She wasn't sure? She was having sex with other men at the time? Seems a bit more complicated than I thought.

Isn't "love" always?

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SIX: We didn't talk at all. I don't think she liked the way the phone conversation went when she decided to dump it on me over the phone instead of in person like a normal human being would have done. I tried calling her back, but she didn't answer.
How did the conversation go?

I wish I had it recorded. I know it didn't go the way that it would have if it were an episode of 7th Heaven.

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SIX: Had I known baby murder was not only on the table but actively being pursued, I would have gone to see her personally.
What did you think her options WERE? Wait until you cooled down/ came around? Maybe miss a deadline for a legal abortion?

Did you read my last message? It didn't occur to me until just last night that she probably was well on her way of having the ball rolling on this thing before she called me given the fast turnaround. If the DMV were able to do anything on the level of setting up and pulling off an abortion in a single week, you'd never have a line at the DMV. Outside of dealing with this emotionally, this was the main reason I had always thought it was highly likely she just made the whole thing up.

And I did try contacting her. She's the one who ghosted me after the conversation.

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SIX: I don't know how long these things take, which is why I always suspected she was lying and testing me because of how quick it happened. But to be able to say that maybe something good comes out of rehashing this shit once again, maybe I should give her the benefit of the doubt on two fronts here...
1. Maybe she wasn't lying.
2. Maybe the timetable was a lot longer than one week on her side of the equation.

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Well, I dn't know what time limits she was facing on her side of the story. There were limits back then in various states ... still are, and even stricter now ... when a woman can legally get an abortion. Like MAGONS said, some women have irregular periods, so a having one be late or even skipped might not be unusual. If she was on the pill, it screws things up, timing-wise. She might have been farther along than either of you realized. She may have been facing a deadline you don't know about.

I look at this from her POV, of course: She's pregnant. She gets a shocked and maybe angry reaction from the (potential?) father. Then, silence. The clock is ticking. What is she to do? Have a child in the HOPE that "dad" will come around?

Shocked, yes. Freaking out... yup... probably let that out more than I could have. Not helping her current state of

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 17, 2022 1:09 AM

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One week???

SIX: Yeah. One week. I'm sure I've had to have mentioned that one of the times this issue has come up before. What's this... like the 4th time now?

SIGNY: I've only heard the end part of the story: how you hate the slut who murdered your baby and how women have all the power.

SIX: You only LISTENED to that part of the story before. I've told it every time. There's no reason to have not done so. I'm assuming the rest of it got through to you now because KIKI isn't here.

Er, no. I don't read everyone's posts every day. There are a lot of things about you I'm sure you posted that I don't know. I don't know anything about you in school, for example, or soon after you graduated.

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SIGNY: I was under the impression that you didn't even know there was a pregnancy until afterwards.

SIX: What? No. My whole problem was that she called me up to tell me that she was pregnant and thought it was mine. Then I finally get a call from her a week later and she said "You know that problem I was talking about before? I took care of it."

SIGNY; THOUGHT it was yours? She wasn't sure? She was having sex with other men at the time? Seems a bit more complicated than I thought.

SIX: Isn't "love" always?

Sigh. Usually.

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SIGNY: So, what happened in that week? Did you talk to your then g/f? Say anything about getting tested or ask how far along she was or... anything?

SIX: We didn't talk at all. I don't think she liked the way the phone conversation went when she decided to dump it on me over the phone instead of in person like a

SIGNY: How did the conversation go?

SIX: I wish I had it recorded. I know it didn't go the way that it would have if it were an episode of 7th Heaven.

SIX: Had I known baby murder was not only on the table but actively being pursued, I would have gone to see her personally.

SIGNY: What did you think her options WERE? Wait until you cooled down/ came around? Maybe miss a deadline for a legal abortion?

SIX: Did you read my last message? It didn't occur to me until just last night that she probably was well on her way of having the ball rolling on this thing before she called me given the fast turnaround. If the DMV were able to do anything on the level of setting up and pulling off an abortion in a single week, you'd never have a line at the DMV. Outside of dealing with this emotionally, this was the main reason I had always thought it was highly likely she just made the whole thing up.

And I did try contacting her. She's the one who ghosted me after the conversation.

Fake a pregnancy to rope you into marriage, then fake a termination when you didn't respond the way she hoped? Ghost you and move on to the next guy?
FWIW, getting a termination doesn't take months. Not even a month. Given that many states had first-trimester limits, providers were pretty sprightly about scheduling. Two weeks, maybe.

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SIX: I don't know how long these things take, which is why I always suspected she was lying and testing me because of how quick it happened. But to be able to say that maybe something good comes out of rehashing this shit once again, maybe I should give her the benefit of the doubt on two fronts here...
1. Maybe she wasn't lying.
2. Maybe the timetable was a lot longer than one week on her side of the equation.

SIGNY: Well, I don't know what time limits she was facing on her side of the story. There were limits back then in various states ... still are, and even stricter now ... when a woman can legally get an abortion. Like MAGONS said, some women have irregular periods, so a having one be late or even skipped might not be unusual. If she was on the pill, it screws things up, timing-wise. She might have been farther along than either of you realized. She may have

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:01 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Keep telling yourself that Jack. Still hating on someone that 'did you wrong' 20+ years ago.

Still hating on somebody who murdered a baby 20 years ago.

You, on the other hand, are just as insignifigant to me today as you were before I had the pleasure of meeting you. There is nothing that you could possibly ever do or say to change that fact.

And mama, I know it's tearing you up inside.

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Meanwhile, is Texas truly the most backward place on Earth (although I hear Houston is quite okay)

What are you asking me about Texas for?

The only things they got in Texas are steers and queers. And Second ain't got no horns.

Go ask Second.

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Your ceaseless whining is why I stopped coming here and I bet the same as 90% of posters who used to post. Your opinions are moronic - you’ve the brains of a newt. Once again - not breeding was the best decision you made - you deserve a Darwin Award.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:06 AM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Keep telling yourself that Jack. Still hating on someone that 'did you wrong' 20+ years ago.

Still hating on somebody who murdered a baby 20 years ago.

You, on the other hand, are just as insignifigant to me today as you were before I had the pleasure of meeting you. There is nothing that you could possibly ever do or say to change that fact.

And mama, I know it's tearing you up inside.

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Meanwhile, is Texas truly the most backward place on Earth (although I hear Houston is quite okay)

What are you asking me about Texas for?

The only things they got in Texas are steers and queers. And Second ain't got no horns.

Go ask Second.

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

Your ceaseless whining is why I stopped coming here and I bet the same as 90% of posters who used to post. Your opinions are moronic - you’ve the brains of a newt. Once again - not breeding was the best decision you made - you deserve a Darwin Award.

CORRECTION: The fact that I have your IP address and proved that to you is the reason you stopped coming here, Nilbog.

What's the matter, honey? Did you forget to change out of your sockpuppet, or have you just lost your Wishimay login credentials? Maybe your husband hid them from you when you told him what you did?

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SIGNYM

Sunday, July 17, 2022 6:45 AM

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Of course there is room for grieving if the child you thought you might have doesn’t eventuate - been there plenty of times- but boy does 6 hold a grudge.

Personally a good thing that they didn’t have to co parent or 6 pay any child support. It would have been a world of pain - very few people do it well and 6 - well he is a true misogynist so it would have been bad all round. An unwanted child, a financial burden and bitter resentment- hell it’s his MOD all over.

I don’t wonder at the number of abortions - I wonder that people don’t do it more frankly -

SIX has well-earned mommy issues. In fact, so do I, and MY mom wasn't bipolar. There was a guy who worked for me for quite a while whose wife was bipolar. They had two kids
- boy, girl - and both of them were well and truly fucked up. When someone expreses themselves SO extremely, there's almost always something personal and painful in the background.

I look at WISHY, a truly horrific person, and - when I'm not reacting to her desire to "genocide the entire world down to the last 100" - I know there is probably something from her childhood that's causing that. Sexual abuse, quite possibly.

Anyway, it wasn't SIXs "whining" that drove people away. Sometimes I think I was the reason so many liberals left, bc I turned an ever-so-gentle criticism towards Obama and it just blew some people's minds.

There's more to being a good person than being "nice". Sometimes you have to be objective, analytically, incisive, to discern whether your actions are achieving your stated goals.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, July 17, 2022 8:28 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
One week???

SIX: Yeah. One week. I'm sure I've had to have mentioned that one of the times this issue has come up before. What's this... like the 4th time now?

SIGNY: I've only heard the end part of the story: how you hate the slut who murdered your baby and how women have all the power.

SIX: You only LISTENED to that part of the story before. I've told it every time. There's no reason to have not done so. I'm assuming the rest of it got through to you now because KIKI isn't here.
Er, no. I don't read everyone's posts every day. There are a lot of things about you I'm sure you posted that I don't know. I don't know anything about you in school, for example, or soon after you graduated.

Well, you have always seemed to have extreme opinions with your thoughts about me when it comes to this issue. I guess forgive me for assuming that you DID take the time to read everything that I had to say about the issue before you went all KIKI on me.

I don't assume that with most people, but I did with you.

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SIGNY: I was under the impression that you didn't even know there was a pregnancy until afterwards.

SIX: What? No. My whole problem was that she called me up to tell me that she was pregnant and thought it was mine. Then I finally get a call from her a week later and she said "You know that problem I was talking about before? I took care of it."

SIGNY; THOUGHT it was yours? She wasn't sure? She was having sex with other men at the time? Seems a bit more complicated than I thought.

SIX: Isn't "love" always?

Sigh. Usually.

Never met one that wasn't.

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SIGNY: So, what happened in that week? Did you talk to your then g/f? Say anything about getting tested or ask how far along she was or... anything?

SIX: We didn't talk at all. I don't think she liked the way the phone conversation went when she decided to dump it on me over the phone instead of in person like a

SIGNY: How did the conversation go?

SIX: I wish I had it recorded. I know it didn't go the way that it would have if it were an episode of 7th Heaven.

SIX: Had I known baby murder was not only on the table but actively being pursued, I would have gone to see her personally.

SIGNY: What did you think her options WERE? Wait until you cooled down/ came around? Maybe miss a deadline for a legal abortion?

SIX: Did you read my last message? It didn't occur to me until just last night that she probably was well on her way of having the ball rolling on this thing before she called me given the fast turnaround. If the DMV were able to do anything on the level of setting up and pulling off an abortion in a single week, you'd never have a line at the DMV. Outside of dealing with this emotionally, this was the main reason I had always thought it was highly likely she just made the whole thing up.

And I did try contacting her. She's the one who ghosted me after the conversation.
Fake a pregnancy to rope you into marriage, then fake a termination when you didn't respond the way she hoped? Ghost you and move on to the next guy?
FWIW, getting a termination doesn't take months. Not even a month. Given that many states had first-trimester limits, providers were pretty sprightly about scheduling. Two weeks, maybe.

I didn't say ghost me and move on to the next guy. But who knows? Maybe she she had the exact same over the phone conversation with one or two other guys who she thought might be the father too?

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