Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It is a reminder to Sweden, Finland, Lithuania, Poland etc that they have been at war with Russia over the centuries, the border has moved back and forth between the rise and fall of various dynasties (Did you know there was a Polish-Lithuanin empire that invaded Russia? Well, now you do.) and if these nations continue to threaten Russia's security, the borders may move once again.
So killing innocent Ukrainians really is just so Putin can redraw a line - thanks for clearing that up. I mean, we knew that all along. His rolodex of previous reasons was pretty flimsy, typical thin Russian double speak, "I dunno, nazi something."
What a shitty place Russia must be, that they value lines over people. It does make sense, though. They way Putin uses up his soldiers and has them kill children and old women - zero respect for human life anywhere. And such a waste too. You'd think someone with that much power could do so much good for his own people. O-well, no imagination I guess.
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The Soviet Union never really solved Russian nationalism
https://aeon.co/essays/the-soviet-union-never-really-solved-russian-na
tionalism
On 19 November 1990, Boris Yeltsin gave a speech in Kiev to announce that, after more than 300 years of rule by the Russian tsars and the Soviet ‘totalitarian regime’ in Moscow, Ukraine was free at last. Russia, he said, did not want any special role in dictating Ukraine’s future, nor did it aim to be at the centre of any future empire. Five months earlier, in June 1990, inspired by independence movements in the Baltics and the Caucasus, Yeltsin had passed a declaration of Russian sovereignty that served as a model for those of several other Soviet republics, including Ukraine. While they stopped short of demanding full separation, such statements asserted that the USSR would have only as much power as its republics were willing to give.
Russian imperial ambitions can appear to be age-old and constant. Even relatively sophisticated media often present a Kremlin drive to dominate its neighbours that seems to have passed from the tsars to Stalin, and from Stalin to Putin. So it is worth remembering that, not long ago, Russia turned away from empire. In fact, in 1990-91, it was Russian secessionism – together with separatist movements in the republics – that brought down the USSR. To defeat the Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev’s attempt at preserving the union, Yeltsin fused the concerns of Russia’s liberal democrats and conservative nationalists into an awkward alliance. Like Donald Trump’s Make America Great Again or Boris Johnson’s Brexit, Yeltsin insisted that Russians, the Soviet Union’s dominant group, were oppressed. He called for separation from burdensome others to bring Russian renewal.
The roots of nationalist discontent lay in Russia’s peculiar status within the Soviet Union. After the Bolsheviks took control over much of the tsarist empire’s former territory, Lenin declared ‘war to the death on Great Russian chauvinism’ and proposed to uplift the ‘oppressed nations’ on its peripheries. To combat imperial inequality, Lenin called for unity, creating a federation of republics divided by nationality. The republics forfeited political sovereignty in exchange for territorial integrity, educational and cultural institutions in their own languages, and the elevation of the local ‘titular’ nationality into positions of power. Soviet policy, following Lenin, conceived of the republics as homelands for their respective nationalities (with autonomous regions and districts for smaller nationalities nested within them). The exception was the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, or RSFSR, which remained an administrative territory not associated with any ethnic or historic ‘Russia’.
Russia was the only Soviet republic that did not have its own Communist Party, capital, or Academy of Sciences. These omissions contributed to the uneasy overlap of ‘Russian’ and ‘Soviet’.
It was Joseph Stalin, a Georgian, who promoted Russians to ‘first among equals’ in the Soviet Union, confirmed by his postwar toast that credited ‘most of all, the Russian people’ with the Soviet defeat of Nazi Germany. Nikita Khrushchev continued the Soviet commitment to the formation of a multiethnic community that would eventually converge in a shared economic, cultural and linguistic system. In this Soviet melting pot, Russia was a kind of older brother, especially to the purportedly less-advanced peoples of Central Asia. Russian remained the Soviet language of upward mobility, Russian history and culture were the most celebrated, and Russians generally thought of the Soviet Union as ‘theirs’. Like white Americans who marked other groups as ‘ethnic’, Russians saw themselves as the norm in relation to ‘national minorities’.
By the late 1960s, the Soviet Union was a majority urbanised, educated society whose legitimacy had come to rest on its status as a stable welfare state. Freed from the terror, war and mass mobilisation of the previous decades, Soviet citizens spent their leisur
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It is a reminder to Sweden, Finland, Lithuania, Poland etc that they have been at war with Russia over the centuries, the border has moved back and forth between the rise and fall of various dynasties (Did you know there was a Polish-Lithuanin empire that invaded Russia? Well, now you do.) and if these nations continue to threaten Russia's security, the borders may move once again.
So killing innocent Ukrainians really is just so Putin can redraw a line - thanks for clearing that up. I mean, we knew that all along. His rolodex of previous reasons was pretty flimsy, typical thin Russian double speak, "I dunno, nazi something."
What a shitty place Russia must be, that they value lines over people. It does make sense, though. They way Putin uses up his soldiers and has them kill children and old women - zero respect for human life anywhere. And such a waste too. You'd think someone with that much power could do so much good for his own people. O-well, no imagination I guess.
No, that's what NAZI Germany did.
It's still about security. Russia has USA/NATO missile bases on its border. It has asked to be part of NATO a dozen times. Then the USA withdrew from our nuclear and missile treaties. Russia has asked, and then demanded, new security agreements from the USA. We blew them off.
Then NATO said (after a coup in Ukraine) that Kiev would be part of NATO, and Kiev massed 150,000+ troops on the line of contact, after ignoring the Minsk Agreement for 8 years.
What is Russia to think? WE would freak out if Russia placed missiles in ... say... Cuba, and based 200,000 Russian troops there.
Wouldn't we?
And BTW, Ukrainians are better at killing innocent civilians than Russians. They've been doing that since 2014 and haven't stopped.
I'm with SIX: Fuck Ukraine.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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I see SECOND is posting walls of gibberish again.
I'll have you know, SECOND, that rarely do I get past your first two sentences and sometimes not even the first word. ("Ukrainians" in a case in point, which demonstrates total misrepresentation of reality.)
This isn't like a term paper. You don't get graded on length, but on clarity of analysis, and (if applicable) accuracy of prediction. Since your posts are incomprehensibly muddled and unfiltered by any sort of logic, they're not worth reading.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Originally posted by second:Quote:6ix made an argument that I will quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You're bowing out again I see, Second.
Good.Quote:6ix, here is the math for the number higher than you made in a year: $67,772.71 = $270.01 * 251
Meanwhile, in reality...
The median rent costs $2000 a month; Median mortgage $1,200 (We'll split the difference and call that $1,600 I'm not paying), Median car payment $700, $140 car insurance (we'll call it $127 a month I'm not paying since I do pay $125 every six months for liability), $110 average monthly credit card payment, Average student debt payment $393, Average cell phone bill $114, Average cable bill $217 (We'll call it $197 since I only pay for internet and I got them down to $20 per month). I'm sure I'm missing other things that I'm not paying for. I certainly haven't even added gasoline to this list, of which I hardly pay for at all either. That's okay... I already have enough to illustrate my point at $3,241 per month worth of bills I don't have.
There's 251 working days in the US in a year (if you include holidays, which I will even though the only jobs I've had in the last 13 years didn't).
251 / 12 is roughly 20.92. We'll just call it 21 working days in a month.
$3,241 / 21 = $270.01
Yup. I'm going to make $270.01 today, tax free, simply by not being a wage slave.
Do the math yourself to figure out how much income that would be in a year and you'll get a number higher than I've ever made in a single year in my life, before taxes...
Yup. That's $67,722.71 AFTER income taxes and SS/Medicare tax.
So... just taking a guess here and not bothering with the math, more like in the ballpark of $85,000 to $95,000.
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6ix, if you think your argument makes sense, then how about my argument? I didn't have to buy a Boeing 777-300er (list price $375.5 million). Instead, I bought tickets for the whole family. I saved so much money by not owning a plane that I can retire. 6ix, just kidding. This argument does not make good sense, but it is close to the absurd argument 6ix is making.
No. Your argument makes no sense. I didn't add to the average American's monthly costs the price of a Boeing 777-300er. In fact, I didn't even add the average American's yearly expenses for vacation, which mine is also zero and would make my numbers even better.
The things I have on that list are what are considered normal monthly expenditures.
The only thing that arguably doesn't need to be on that list is Student Loan Debt payments, but then again I didn't add gasoline costs or food expenditures either.
My argument is sound.
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Anyway, I don't "argue" with Trumptards because they are foolish people and don't know it. I used to argue with my East Texas cousins, all Trumptards, at least the ones that lived long enough to vote in 2016. The last of my cousins, Laurie, who twice voted for Trump (or 4 times if you count both the primary and general elections) died recently. She was 3 years younger than me. All the Trumptard cousins died younger than I am now, and their children are dying young, too, because Trumptards are silly and yet dangerous to the health of people around them. (Russians are dangerous to the health of people around them. Ukrainians know this for a fact.)
Nobody believes anything you have to say about your personal life.
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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus
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Quote:Is this short enough for you to read?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I see SECOND is posting walls of gibberish again.
I'll have you know, SECOND, that rarely do I get past your first two sentences and sometimes not even the first word. ("Ukrainians" in a case in point, which demonstrates total misrepresentation of reality.)
This isn't like a term paper. You don't get graded on length, but on clarity of analysis, and (if applicable) accuracy of prediction. Since your posts are incomprehensibly muddled and unfiltered by any sort of logic, they're not worth reading.
Is Russian state TV souring on Trump? 'We’ll have to think whether to reinstall him again'
Tuesday July 05, 2022 · 6:44 PM CDT
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/5/2108641/-Russian-state-TV-so
uring-on-Trump-We-ll-have-to-think-whether-to-reinstall-him-again
Now, it’s not clear when Trump threatened to destroy the Russian Federation or Putin’s hegemony. Newsweek looked into this and was unable to uncover any such threats, either. But that’s not the point. If Russia no longer wants to ratfuck the election in Trump’s favor, it could mean they see the writing on the wall. Not to shock your delicate sensibilities too much, but Russian state TV tends to make shit up to serve its own very narrow interests. (For the record, Davis herself hasn’t heard Trump say anything like what Skabeeva attributed to him.)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, that's what NAZI Germany did.
No, that's what Russia is currently doing. Deflect and deny all you want, Russian troops are killing Ukrainian citizens to carve out some of Ukraine for itself. I mean, how else can you describe it? Maybe you think it's not happening?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's still about security. Russia has USA/NATO missile bases on its border.
Funny - Russia used to have Ukrainian Nukes on it's border but Ukraine removed them. Big mistake. Russia doesn't seem to be the grateful type.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It has asked to be part of NATO a dozen times. Then the USA withdrew from our nuclear and missile treaties. Russia has asked, and then demanded, new security agreements from the USA. We blew them off.
I keep trying to enlighten you on just how untrustworthy Russia is and has always been. I never can seem to get through. Huh, wonder why... Additionally, you seem to have a block when it comes to how much Russia is hated around the world. Especially Putin. Imagine, they are so hated and untrustworthy peace loving Sweden and Finland are both jumping at the chance to join NATO in direct opposition to Russia. Get real, sister, this is a major backfire f-up.
Quote:Hell yeah. It's Russia. Thee most untrustworthy country next to NK.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
WE would freak out if Russia placed missiles in ... say... Cuba, and based 200,000 Russian troops there.
Wouldn't we?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And BTW, Ukrainians are better at killing innocent civilians than Russians. They've been doing that since 2014 and haven't stopped.
Explain how you know. Cites!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm with SIX: Fuck Ukraine.
Big Question: Why are you so mad at Ukrainians that you want to see innocent civilians murdered? What did they do to you?
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Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev said attempts to use courts or tribunals to investigate Russia’s actions would be futile and catastrophic.
Mr Medvedev, now deputy chair of the Russian security council, said on Telegram: “The idea of punishing a country that has one of the largest nuclear potentials is absurd. And potentially poses a threat to the existence of humanity.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-nuc
lear-weapons-putin-zelensky-b2116683.html
With a little checking, I found what made Medvedev threaten to nuke the world: Russia must not be allowed to use the G20 meeting this week as a platform given its war in Ukraine, German foreign minister Annalena Baerbock said. “It is in the interest of us all to ensure that international law is respected and adhered to. That is the common denominator,” said Ms Baerbock in a statement ahead of her trip to Indonesia – where the G20 meeting will be held. “And it is also the reason why we will not simply stand aside and allow Russia to use the meeting as a platform.”
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Quote:Thanks for posting a raft of weasely evasions.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, that's what NAZI Germany did.
No, that's what Russia is currently doing. Deflect and deny all you want, Russian troops are killing Ukrainian citizens to carve out some of Ukraine for itself. I mean, how else can you describe it? Maybe you think it's not happening?Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's still about security. Russia has USA/NATO missile bases on its border.
Funny - Russia used to have Ukrainian Nukes on it's border but Ukraine removed them. Big mistake. Russia doesn't seem to be the grateful type.Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It has asked to be part of NATO a dozen times. Then the USA withdrew from our nuclear and missile treaties. Russia has asked, and then demanded, new security agreements from the USA. We blew them off.
I keep trying to enlighten you on just how untrustworthy Russia is and has always been. I never can seem to get through. Huh, wonder why... Additionally, you seem to have a block when it comes to how much Russia is hated around the world. Especially Putin. Imagine, they are so hated and untrustworthy peace loving Sweden and Finland are both jumping at the chance to join NATO in direct opposition to Russia. Get real, sister, this is a major backfire f-up.Quote:Hell yeah. It's Russia. Thee most untrustworthy country next to NK.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
WE would freak out if Russia placed missiles in ... say... Cuba, and based 200,000 Russian troops there.
Wouldn't we?Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And BTW, Ukrainians are better at killing innocent civilians than Russians. They've been doing that since 2014 and haven't stopped.
Explain how you know. Cites!Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm with SIX: Fuck Ukraine.
Big Question: Why are you so mad at Ukrainians that you want to see innocent civilians murdered? What did they do to you?
Question:
Have you stopped beating your boyfriend yet?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
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Quote:Remember Rush Limbaugh? He was a Trumptard before Trump called Obama a monkey. My cousins had all Limbaugh's books. The cousins would loan the books to each other, if a cousin couldn't afford to buy. My cousins also had Limbaugh's medical history: drugs, tobacco induced lung cancer, loss of hearing. It is kind of amazing that Limbaugh lived to be 70, despite how stupidly he lived. None of my Limbaugh-loving, Trump-voting cousins lived that long, probably because they didn't have Limbaugh's money to keep themselves alive and because Medicare starts at 65. Most of my cousins were dead before their 65th birthday. Only one cousin lived long enough to see Trump give the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Limbaugh. It was a great day for dittoheads.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody believes anything you have to say about your personal life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh#Prescription_drug_addictio
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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