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Russian losses in Ukraine Now At 1 Million Killed Or Wounded

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THG
Tuesday, May 17, 2022 8:16 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Assassimation in Kiev is not a "manufactured" event, and I have no idea who Blumenthal is.

An Assassination in Kiev
https://warsawinstitute.org/an-assassination-in-kiev/

The main political opponent, who was under house arrest since 2020, was formally arrested. Zelenskiy now controls all media, and Ukraine (being at war) is under martial law

https://www.thestatesman.com/world/ukraine-prez-proposes-extend-martia
l-law-1503062450.html


https://wentworthreport.com/2022/03/22/zelenskyy-is-an-autocrat-bans-a
nd-arrests-political-opposition
/

You must have confused Ukraine with a democracy.


There is NO WAY that Kiev's intelligence staff, who brought us the fake Snake Island resistance and the Ghost of Kiev and Russian "war crimes", is going to suddenly start telling truth.

And if you think collapsing governments won't push a Big Lie, all you have to do is look at the Hilter government just before Berlin was taken. Up to that point, Germans were told, and many believed, that there was a secret weapon or a brilliant strategy that would save them, and that Hitler would win.
If you want a more recent example, Baghdad Bob.

Everything coming out of Kiev should be viewed as psyops, until proven otherwise.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake





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“One possible way that this ends when political dictators get into wars is through a surfeit of personal pique and defending their own armed forces, they begin to move against him.”

Is a coup against Putin underway? Matt Chorley talks to Danny Finkelstein on Times Radio about the possibility of Putin’s army turning against him.


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Wednesday, May 18, 2022 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
THUGR, SECOND, CAPON- no amount of (your) wishful thinking and flag-waving is going to change ground truth. It would be more helpful if, rather than pushing a narrative, you made an honest attempt to suss out reality.



Here's some reality:

- Putin misjudged how his invasion would only unite "Ukies" and motivate them to fight back and bloody the Russian army.
- Putin couldn't take Kyiv in 7 days despite his (anemic, train wreck) of a bull rush to do so. If it was a feint it was the most costly, dumbest feint in military history. In fact, ANY attempt to explain it as a "plan" makes it look even worse. "He meant to do that??"
- Putin keeps losing generals.
- Putin has united the West and the EU and NATO.
- Putin completely misjudged Finland and Sweden. Both are applying to join NATO, Putin's nightmare.
- Putin's own "G7" he has only one ally, Belarus, who have yet to join the fight. No ally really.
- Putin completely misjudged how many companies would leave Russia. ANY attempt to say that it was a plan makes it look even worse.
- Putin has motivated many of the most educated Russians to leave the country
- Putin has caused long term damage to Russia's economy
- Putin has caused long term damage to Russia's world standing.
- Putin miscalculated how many young Russian soldiers would die.
- Putin has motivated some of Russia's largest oil and gas customers to find alternative suppliers, and - maybe most significantly - to accelerate their alternative energy programs (thanks Putin!).
- Putin is even losing the spin war. Except of course with his state tv brain washed and threatened citizens who face jail time for speaking the Truth.

I'm sure there are more, but keep pretending it was all some big plan even though the above list is so utterly damning. Putin fcked up big time, "... and no amount of (your) wishful thinking and flag-waving is going to change ground truth."

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Wednesday, May 18, 2022 12:35 AM

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SIGNYM:

Still flogging the same old shit, eh THUGR?
Haven't learned YET that you're being lied to? Will you ever?

THUGR:
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Russia Sites Hacked Across Country To Display Their War Dead

A host of Russian media sites, including news agency TASS, Kommersant and Izvestia were targeted by hackers to display messages calling for an end to Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

"Dear citizens. We urge you to stop this madness, do not send your sons and husbands to certain death," the message read on several websites. "Putin is forcing us to lie and is putting us in danger."

Independent Russian news outlet Novaya Gazeta reported that some sites were hacked with messages that said: "Stop the madness and do not send sons and husbands to certain death."

Some sites were replaced with a black "tombstone" stating that 5,300 Russian troops had been killed in four days—since Putin declared a "special military operation" against Ukraine on February 24.

"More deaths than in the First Chechen War 1994-1996," the message read.

"This message will be removed, and some of us will be fired or even imprisoned. But we can no longer tolerate it," one message reportedly said, Novaya Gazeta reported, noting that at the end of the message, the logo of the hacker group Anonymous was published.

"We have been isolated from the whole world, they have stopped buying oil and gas. In a few years we will be living like North Korea," another message said. "What is this for? So that Putin can get into the history books? It's not our war, let's stop him!"

Several Russian media sites reported that Anonymous, the hacking group that first made headlines about a decade ago, was behind the cyber attacks.

"The Anonymous collective is officially in cyber war against the Russian government. #Anonymous #Ukraine," the group tweeted on February 25.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-sites-hacked-across-count
ry-to-display-their-war-dead/ar-AAUqys0?ocid=msedgntp



Gee whiz comrade signym, how do you explain this? Oops, is that how you explain it, oops. I know, you won't explain it. You'll just ignore it.



Anybody can say anything in the media, especially if they hack it. But is there any EVIDENCE for these statements? Or are they as empty as your posts?



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Wednesday, May 18, 2022 7:28 AM

Literally, all day since I was gone the only thing you idiots could post about was all 4 of the Russia threads?

You should REALLY take the fact that you can't get Russia off your brain as a great big red flag that Democrats are done.

For a very, very, very long time.

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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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Wednesday, May 18, 2022 10:56 AM

Zelenskyy's show once made a joke about President Vladimir Putin that got it canceled in Russia.

Zelenskyy sparred with Putin long before the current military invasion, according to the Hulu documentary "Two Men at War" by ABC News' George Stephanopoulos.

"Do you know, by the way, who else wears this watch?" a Hublot watch salesman asks Zelenskyy's character in a clip from "Servant of the People." "Putin," he adds.

"Who?" Zelenskyy asks. "Putin Hublot?"

"Yes," the salesman responds.

The pronunciation sounds like "Putin khuilo," a crude football and protest chant used by Ukrainians against Putin, according to the London Evening Standard. ABC News senior national correspondent Terry Morgan said the "off-color joke" caused the show to get canceled in Russia.

"In one episode, Zelenskyy makes a joke about Putin, kind of an off-color joke," he said. "And afterwards, that show was canceled in Russia. But it added a dimension of political satire, of addressing the problems in Ukraine through comedy. People loved it."

https://www.insider.com/zelenskyy-tv-show-president-ukraine-russia-202
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"Putin khuilo" means "Putin is a jerk"
https://translate.google.com/?sl=uk&tl=en&text=Putin%20khuilo&
amp;op=translate


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, May 18, 2022 12:58 PM

Zelensky was elected because he promised to normalize relations with Russia.

The joke's on the Ukies who vote for him.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Literally, all day since I was gone the only thing you idiots could post about was all 4 of the Russia threads?

You should REALLY take the fact that you can't get Russia off your brain as a great big red flag that Democrats are done.

For a very, very, very long time.

--------------------------------------------------

Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

For a while it was "All racism, all the time'
Before THAT it was "all Trump, all the time"

These people are so manipulable. I'm going to bug out of this thread. They're stupid, and I think responding just encourages them.

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Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Zelensky was elected because he promised to normalize relations with Russia.

The joke's on the Ukies who vote for him.

Signym, you are spreading a falsehood.

When he was sworn in as president in May 2019, Zelenskiy also inherited the role of supreme commander in chief of Ukraine's armed forces and a grinding war against Russia-backed separatists who hold parts of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in what is known as the Donbas. More than 13,000 people have been killed since fighting began in April 2014.

One of Zelensky's two main promises was to bring the war to an end, a goal that polls have shown Ukrainians want to see accomplished more than anything.

"He showed a real willingness to end the war. That's a good thing,” Yermolenko says. "The world saw it, too -- that the real desire for peace was on the part of Ukraine, not Russia."

Throughout Zelenskiy's tenure, Kyiv and Western officials say, Russia has continued to funnel money, military equipment, and fighters to eastern Ukraine.

"But Zelensky also showed naiveté, thinking -- or pretending that he thinks -- that ending the war with Russia is an easy thing" and that goodwill would be enough, Yermolenko continues. "He now sees that it's not the case."

Zelenskiy and Russian President Vladimir Putin met face-to-face for the first time in December, in Paris. The two leaders discussed ways to potentially bring the war to an end, but their positions remain far apart.

He did not achieve peace on Russian terms, which would be unacceptable for most Ukrainians.

https://www.rferl.org/a/zelenskiys-first-year-he-promised-sweeping-cha
nges-how-s-he-doing-/30576329.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Literally, all day since I was gone the only thing you idiots could post about was all 4 of the Russia threads?

You should REALLY take the fact that you can't get Russia off your brain as a great big red flag that Democrats are done.

For a very, very, very long time.

--------------------------------------------------

Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

For a while it was "All racism, all the time'
Before THAT it was "all Trump, all the time"

These people are so manipulable. I'm going to bug out of this thread. They're stupid, and I think responding just encourages them.




Yeah. It's pretty gross.

The only threads that had even been touched since early morning yesterday until late night when I posted again were the 4 Russia threads and the Garden. And this was the last one that was posted to, somewhere in mid-afternoon.

My guess is that if you and I stopped posting in them altogether they wouldn't have anything to say about any topic right now.

Let's do an experiment and give these Russia threads the attention they deserve, shall we?



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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:58 PM

On the question of Russian humiliation

Three months ago, there was concern that Russia would overrun Ukraine in less than a week. Plenty of folks tried to find a means to avoid that. John Mearsheimer talked about respecting Russia’s sphere of influence. Other realists talked about the need for a “golden bridge” for Vladimir Putin to avoid further bloodshed. This mirrored the prewar European discourse about the crisis, in which the goal was to mollify Putin to avoid further escalation and forcible territorial annexation.

In the present, these same groups of folks are still very worried. Now, however, the concern is not that Russia will win, but that it might lose and lose badly. Mearsheimer told the Chinese TV network CGTN that “Russia cannot afford to lose.” He told PBS that “one circumstance in which a great power is likely to use nuclear weapons is … when it thinks a decisive defeat is being inflicted on it. What Biden is bent on doing is inflicting a decisive defeat on Russia.” In other words, losing could cause Russia to lash out even more aggressively.

Politico’s Matthew Karnitschnig reported about similar sentiments in Europe this week: “Western European leaders are now worried about what might happen if Ukraine actually wins. … A Ukrainian win could destabilize Russia, making it even more unpredictable and putting a normalization of energy links further out of reach. That’s why some western European capitals quietly favor a ‘face-saving’ resolution to the conflict, even if it costs Ukraine some territory.”

This argument to be risible for several reasons. First, it is worth remembering that Ukrainian officials kept making pretty creative offers on issues like Crimea and the Donbas region, only to be rebuffed by Putin. A golden bridge has been proffered to Russia multiple times; it has been Putin who has repeatedly refused to take that exit ramp.

Russia’s worst-case scenario is that Russia retreats back to the 2014 status quo. Its sovereign territory will not be threatened.

Ukraine has conducted periodic air raids on Russian soil during this conflict, so one could consider the possibility that Ukraine expands the war into Russia proper. This seems highly unlikely, however. It is far from clear whether Ukraine has the capacity or interest in mounting such an offensive onto Russian soil. U.S. officials have also drawn a bright red line restricting intelligence sharing with Ukraine for attacks on Russian soil.

Russia might lose the war in Ukraine, but Russia itself will persist. So why the concern about a golden bridge? My hunch is, analysts are conflating Russia with Putin, and that is where the conversation starts to get interesting.

Russia’s war effort has suffered reverse after reverse, leading Putin to micromanage the fight. At the same time, the grumbling from Russia’s populace is on the rise.

A weakened Putin who has to focus on domestic discontent to stay in power is hardly the worst outcome for the United States. International escalation as a diversionary tactic is highly unlikely; as Lawrence Freedman notes, “nuclear use would not solve any strategic problems for Russia, and would create many, many more.” It is even possible that Putin’s time in office would come to an end.

None of this is to say that the United States or NATO should now pursue maximalist war aims. Patrick Porter, Justin Logan and Benjamin Friedman are correct to point out that NATO’s war aims do not perfectly sync up with Ukraine; Western leaders should signal their limits now rather than later.

The idea that a victorious Ukraine spells the end for Russia, however, is far-fetched. Everyone should stop worrying about a golden bridge.

More at https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/opinions-on-the-question-of-russi
an-humiliation/ar-AAXphmH


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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