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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Wednesday, May 4, 2022 11:17 PM

Ukraine Says Communications With Trapped Fighters In Azovstal Has Gone Dark
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-says-communications-trapped
-azov-fighters-azovstal-has-gone-dark


Russia Again Warns Any NATO Vehicle Entering Ukraine With Weapons Will Be Destroyed
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-again-warns-any-nato-vehicle
-entering-ukraine-weapons-will-be-destroyed


Barrage Of Cruise Missiles Rock Western Ukraine, Plunging Lviv Into Darkness
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/barrage-cruise-missiles-rock-we
stern-city-lviv-sections-plunged-darkness




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Wednesday, May 4, 2022 11:24 PM

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SECOND, what does Signym do when it is negative news about Putin, she changes the subject. This is G's thread about Russia invading Ukraine. It has nothing to do with Bernie Madoff.

Once your point is made, she will make you repeat it over and over again. You really should not let her spin you about so. You are wicked smart compared to her.

I wasn't the one who brought up Madoff, it was SECOND. I'm the one who's always trying to drag it back on-topic...

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SignyM:
I don't believe in tarring people with what historical figures have done.
But the people who lied to you then are the people lying to you now.
Suggests you're too stupid to know when you're being lied to.

SECOND: Bernie Madoff went to jail for a Ponzi scheme.



SECOND, if you notice, is ALWAYS changing the subject, especially when he gets his ass handed to him. He posts about tzars, about Hitler, about Stalin, Confederate generals, "bad ideas" in the past, and when all else fails, he posts about TrumpTrumpTrumpTrump...

Your reading comprehension is abysmal.




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Thursday, May 5, 2022 12:35 AM

Russia "will lose" its war against Ukraine, panicked soldiers from a Kremlin-backed breakaway region in Georgia who fought for Russia in Ukraine said after they retreated from the front line.

The group of South Ossetian soldiers made the remarks to the region's president, Anatoly Bibilov, after returning from combat, complaining about a lack of weapons, intel, and command. An excerpt of their conversation was obtained by Russian independent media outlet MediaZona.

South Ossetia is a breakaway region in Georgia whose independence was recognized by Moscow in 2008.

An unknown number of residents have been deployed to fight for Russia in Ukraine. Two groups of soldiers, which include members of part of Russian military units in the region, and local contract soldiers, were deployed on March 16 and March 26, according to U.S.-based website Eurasianet.

In late March, some 300 soldiers from the breakaway region refused to fight in Ukraine amid deteriorating conditions and supply shortages, MediaZona reported.

The news outlet cited Bibilov as asking the group of soldiers who returned to the region whether they believed that Russia will ultimately lose the Ukraine war.

"Yes, we think they will lose," one soldier responded.

Others described unbearable conditions of service, broken equipment and lack of command on the front line.

The South Ossetian soldiers recalled the moment they were deployed to areas 800 kilometers (500 miles) away from where they were supposed to be.

They also told Bibilov that artillery fire missed targets by 2 kilometers (one-and-a-quarter miles), but officers in command brushed off complaints of incorrect coordinates, while troops faced constant shelling due to inadequate battlefield intel.

Bibilov at one point appeared to criticize the soldiers for requesting weapons.

"You probably don't know this, but a lot of guys have already come to me, asking to be sent [to the front], and they're not talking about money or 'Give us weapons,'" he told the group.

'Cannon Fodder'

One soldier claimed that 99 percent of the equipment they were given did not work, while another said three out of 10 tanks could not shoot.

"We warned: our machines don't work, don't send us there [to the front]. From another squadron, the guys said that their guns weren't able to shoot. They were ordered, 'Just go,'" the soldier recounted.

One soldier said, "We were deceived at every step...no one was scared here, we were just deceived at every turn."

Another said the soldiers left Ukraine because they did not want to be "cannon fodder."

Bibilov challenged the soldiers for saying that they believe Moscow will eventually be defeated by Ukraine.

"The Russians have seen a lot of wars, Napoleon reached Moscow and, in order not to surrender Moscow, the Russians burned their own city. Never think that the Russians will lose," Bibilov told the group.

"Time will pass and no one will discuss that there were no weapons, equipment, communications. There will be a victory," he added.

Newsweek has contacted Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs for comment.

Update 05/04/22, 6:29 a.m. ET: This article was updated with additional information.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-lose-ukraine-war-south-ossetia-invasio
n-soldiers-refuse-fight-1703302


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, May 5, 2022 3:01 AM

Nobody cares.



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Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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Thursday, May 5, 2022 4:10 PM

“Filtration camps”, a tool of terror used since the 1940s, have reappeared

On April 30th Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, said that more than 1m people had been “evacuated”. Many passed through Russian “filtration camps” on their way out of Ukraine. What are these detention centres?

The concept of fil’tratsiia or filtration emerged at the end of the second world war, as the Soviet Union and other Allied forces liberated prisoners from the Nazis. Some 2.4m Soviet citizens—mostly soldiers—survived concentration camps. But their release placed them in the cross-hairs of military commissars, who worried that those who had been taken prisoner or displaced by war had been exposed to liberal influences abroad. Forced repatriation resulted in an estimated 5m people being sent back to the Soviet Union. To counter anti-Soviet ideology, more than 4m of them were subjected to filtration, undergoing rigorous screening, interrogation and incarceration in holding stations set up by the secret police and intelligence agencies. Some 280,000 ended up in gulags. Five decades later, filtration reappeared in Chechnya, a predominantly Muslim region in the northern Caucasus. During the two wars of the 1990s Russian authorities arbitrarily detained civilians at checkpoints, sending thousands to camps in an effort to stamp out Chechen separatism, adherents of which the Kremlin demonised as terrorists and bandits. Widespread human-rights abuses including rape, extortion, beatings and torture were documented by human-rights groups. In many cases, detainees simply disappeared.

There are disturbing parallels in Ukraine. Before Russia’s invasion, American officials said that Russian forces were creating lists of people to be killed or sent to camps if Russia occupied parts of the country. Likely targets included Russian and Belarusian dissidents in exile, anti-corruption activists, members of religious and ethnic minorities and LGBT people. A satellite image captured in March by Maxar Technologies, an American firm, showed Russian-backed forces had begun building a temporary camp of regimented blue-and-white tents in the Russian-controlled village of Bezimenne near the port-city of Mariupol, in south-eastern Ukraine. According to witnesses, Ukrainians sent there were photographed and forced to turn over their mobile phones and identity documents before being interrogated and deported to Russia. The Kremlin describes these people as “refugees”. Rossiyskaya Gazeta, a pro-Kremlin newspaper, claims that 5,000 civilians were screened at Bezimenne to prevent “Ukrainian nationalists from infiltrating Russia”. But escapers tell a different story, comparing conditions to those of a ghetto or concentration camp. They claim to have witnessed torture and killings carried out by Russian security services to weed out “Ukrainian Nazis”.

According to the UN, the deportation or transfer of people from an occupied territory constitutes a war crime. Russia insists that the relocation of civilians by its armed forces is benign and voluntary. But filtration camps appear to be a tool of war, used to erase Ukrainian identity.

Editor’s note (May 1st 2022): This piece was updated to include Sergei Lavrov’s comments about the number people who have left Ukraine

https://web.archive.org/web/20220504074938/https://www.economist.com/t
he-economist-explains/2022/04/30/why-is-russia-setting-up-detention-centres-in-ukraine




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Thursday, May 5, 2022 4:19 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu complained that the West is “stuffing Ukraine with weapons,” and Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said the rail infrastructure attacks were meant to disrupt the delivery of Western weapons to Ukraine.

A senior U.S. defense official said there has been “no appreciable impact” on Ukraine’s effort to resupply its forces, despite the Russian attacks on infrastructure around the city of Lviv. The city has been a major gateway for NATO-supplied weapons, due to its proximity to the Polish border.

Meanwhile, air raid sirens sounded in cities across the country on Wednesday night, and attacks were reported near Kyiv, the capital; in Cherkasy and Dnipro in central Ukraine; and in Zaporizhzhia in the southeast. In Dnipro, authorities said a rail facility was hit. Videos on social media suggested a bridge there was attacked.

There was no immediate word on casualties or the extent of the damage.

Responding to the strikes in his nightly video address, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said: “All of these crimes will be answered, legally and quite practically – on the battlefield.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/05/05/ukraine-russia
-invasion-live-updates/9655028002
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Thursday, May 5, 2022 4:28 PM

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Pope Admits NATO Likely Provoked Putin's Invasion: "Barking At The Gates Of Russia"
Tuesday, May 03, 2022 - 08:45 AM

Pope Francis has said that he's ready to meet President Vladimir Putin in Moscow in hopes of brokering an end to the war in Ukraine, according to the Vatican news agencies. He said in an interview published Tuesday by the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, "I am not going to Kyiv for now; I feel that I must not go. First I must go to Moscow. First I must meet Putin. But I am also a priest, what can I do? I do what I can. If Putin would only open the door...".

The Roman Catholic leader's criticisms of Russia's actions in Ukraine were made clear throughout the interview, but among the more interesting and surprising lines came when he addressed the roots of the invasion and war which started on Feb.24. He told the newspaper that "the barking of NATO at the gates of Russia" is likely what motivated Putin to attack Ukraine.

Below is the relevant section of the interview, according to a machine translation from the Italian:

Pope Francis' concern is that Putin, for the moment, will not stop . He also tries to think about the roots of this behavior, about the reasons that push him to such a brutal war. Perhaps the "barking of NATO at Russia's door" prompted the head of the Kremlin to react badly and unleash the conflict. "I can’t say if it was provoked, but perhaps, yes."

Also interesting is that Francis came close to condemning the international weapons transfers now pouring into Ukraine, led by the US which has lately authorized an unprecedented billions in military aid to Ukraine's government.

"And now those who care about peace are faced with the great question of the supply of weapons by Western nations to the Ukrainian resistance," the Pope began with his thoughts on this question. He admitted the question is controversial even within the Catholic world.

"I can't answer, I'm too far away, to the question of whether it is right to supply the Ukrainians," he said, before taking a swipe at the weapons industry. "The clear thing is that weapons are being tested in that land. The Russians now know that tanks are of little use and are thinking of other things. Wars are fought for this: to test the weapons we have produced."

"This was the case in the Spanish Civil War before the Second World War. The arms trade is a scandal, few oppose it." He then invoked the case of the years'-long Saudi-US war on Yemen, describing that "Two or three years ago a ship loaded with weapons arrived in Genoa which had to be transferred to a large freighter to transport them to Yemen. The port workers did not want to do it. They said: let's think of the children of Yemen. It's a small thing, but a nice gesture. There should be so many like that."

Pope Francis' words have already provoked an angry reaction among some American Catholic clerics...

On the question of how quickly the war could wind down, Francis recalled an April 21 meeting with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban at the Vatican. Orban relayed that Putin told him of plans to end the war by May 9, which is the commemorative 'Victory Day' in Russia.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pope-admits-putins-invasion-lik
ely-motivated-barking-nato-gates-russia





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Thursday, May 5, 2022 4:28 PM

Brig. Gen. Joseph E. Hilbert, the commanding general in charge of joint training exercises between U.S. and Ukrainian troops in Germany, revealed what he believed is "the worst thing the Russians did" that ensured they would struggle to seize control in their invasion of Ukraine.

Specifically, Hilbert argued, the problem is that Russia telegraphed its intentions early — giving Ukraine "eight years to prepare" for the attack.

The invasion of Ukraine was launched on the pretense of Russia providing security to two so-called "independent republics" declared in the east of Ukraine by separatist rebels backed by the Kremlin.

https://www.rawstory.com/russia-ukraine-putin/

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Thursday, May 5, 2022 7:44 PM

Nobody cares.

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Friday, May 6, 2022 1:48 AM

On a single day in the fall of 1983, some 400,000 people took to the streets across Belgium to protest NATO. The protest was one of scores of mass demonstrations in Western Europe amid an escalating Cold War, as citizens of NATO member countries called for an end to the military alliance and U.S. dominance in it. Twenty years later, when the U.S. invaded Iraq over the objections of several NATO allies, protesters in Europe and across the world numbered in the millions — one of the largest anti-war protests ever.

But when peace activists in Belgium called for a mobilization last month in the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and of the military aid that U.S. and European countries sent to Kyiv, the numbers were far smaller. It was the same elsewhere in Europe. Anti-war demonstrations hardly compare to the mass mobilizations against the Iraq invasion.

“We have maybe three, 4,000 people, which is not many,” Ludo De Brabander, a member of Belgian peace group Vrede vzw, told The Intercept. “It is difficult to mobilize.”

“Iraq was very clear: It was an aggressive war based on false arguments,” he added. In Ukraine, by contrast, it was Russia that had staged an illegal, unprovoked invasion, and U.S.-led support to Ukraine was understood by many as crucial to stave off even worse atrocities than those the Russian military had already committed. That has left peace activists scrambling, said De Brabander, “because we don’t want to support NATO. And of course, we also oppose what Russia is doing. And a position in between, with alternatives to war, is very difficult to sell.”

The left in both Europe and the U.S. have struggled to respond to a wave of support for Ukraine that is at cross purposes with a decades-long effort to untangle Europe from a U.S.-led military alliance. They also fear that short-term expediency — supporting Ukraine through increased European defense spending and a strengthening of NATO — will prolong the conflict and potentially widen it, but they have struggled to identify concrete alternatives as feeble diplomatic efforts have so far faltered.

“It’s important that we band together to bring a modicum of rationality back to the debate and to focus on the only thing that matters at the moment,” Yanis Varoufakis, a prominent figure on the European left, said. “It’s not money. It’s not trade. It’s not natural gas. It is human lives in Ukraine. How can we stop people from dying?” He added, “The whole point of resisting is to come to the point where we sue for peace.”

But with Finland and Sweden likely set to join NATO in direct response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and as U.S. officials call on their allies to step up their response to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s aggression, voices critical of NATO have been hesitant. As the war enters a third month and the prospect of a negotiated end to it grows more distant, those hoping for de-escalation have been left scrambling.

Antonio Mazzeo, an Italian journalist and peace activist, said, “There is a whole segment of the population that rejects the logic of war, of taking sides, of sending weapons, but it hasn’t figured out how to take a position, how to directly intervene in the discourse around this war.”

The contrast between the relatively timid response to the Ukraine war and anti-war movements of the past is complex. On the one hand, the horror at Russia’s actions, the massacre of civilians, and the reports of widespread war crimes shocked many people in Europe, including in the peace movement. Those who have contested NATO intervention in the past have usually done so in response to aggressive actions by the alliance; the fact that member countries in this case have come to the aid of an invaded nation has presented them with a conundrum they have not quite resolved.

“Many are in despair,” said De Brabander. “They no longer believe in diplomatic solutions because Putin has gone too far. And they don’t believe in arming the conflict either.”

https://theintercept.com/2022/05/05/nato-countries-russia-ukraine-left

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