Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
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You have no idea how many people emigrated from Russian Crimea, and how many Russians moved in. And neither does Ukraine, since it's last official census was in 2001.
https://www.ukrcensus.gov.ua/eng/
However, even according this pro-Ukrainian website, the vast majority of immigrants into Crimea
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As early as the end of November 2014, the FMS of the Russian Federation spread the message that there were approximately 200,000 people in Crimea who had left the Donbas as a result of hostilities.
Note that before the occupation, there were a lot of recreational housing construction projects in Crimea. Those second homes by the sea were in great demand among people in eastern Ukraine. Therefore, many residents of the Donbas escaped the war by moving to their Crimean flats.
OMG! Ukrainians moving into Crimea!
bullshit from SECOND.
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Quote:A large number of ethnic Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars — some put the total at 140,000 — have left the peninsula since 2014. Crimean Tatars complain of intimidation and oppression as one reason for moving. During the same period, some 250,000 people have moved from Russia to Crimea (Crimean Tatar leaders claim the influx is much larger).
Originally posted by SignyM:
OMG! Ukrainians moving into Crimea!
Signym, everyone leaving Crimea because they feared death left behind real estate. Every Russian who arrived moved into a piece of real estate. Changing the ownership of real estate is how Putin bribed Russian speakers to be loyal and punished non-Russians.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/03/17/crimea-six-
years-after-illegal-annexation/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Even pro-Ukrainian sites don't put the figure that high. At most, somewhere between 60,000-,70,000 emigrated from Crimea due to political reasons, and the Crimean population (excluding Sevastopol) has not increased since. So, no mass inflow of Russians!
They do note, however, that many people from Donbas moved to their vacation apartments in Crimea.
Sevastopol is different. It is, and has been for decades, a Russian naval base city. Immigrants both from Russia and parts of Ukraine moved there because
Quote:which sounds to me like people buying up military housing.
The prime motive for their official permanent residence registration in Sevastopol is the opportunity to take out preferential military mortgages to buy their own dwellings.
The stats are presented in a (IMHO) purposefully confusing way, but here is a key point:
Quote:In other words, except for the initial emigration, there appears to be an exchange of people from Donbas to Crimea, retirees (especially military) from Russia to Sevastopol, and young Crimeans to Russia for educational and professional opportunities.
:From the analysis of the data presented in Figure 5, it is clear that during all the years of the occupation, there has been a very significant number of people leaving Crimea, which is comparable to the number of those moving to the peninsula. The basis of this flow is Crimeans moving to the Russian Federation.
https://www.blackseanews.net/en/read/178035
Read it at your leisure.
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Signym, if the Ukrainian Army surrenders on May 2nd, the Russians will make them regret it. The Ukrainians who are now refugees in Europe won't be allowed to come back. Russians did that to Germans living in Poland after the end of WWII, for example. Russians will move into Ukraine and start farming on all that newly empty land. On the other hand, if Russians stop fighting, they get to go home and live in peace because the Ukrainians won't be forcing Russians to flee their country, becoming refugees in Asia. The Russian Army knows that. Putin knows it, too, which means Putin must punish his own Army to keep them fighting. Zelenskyy's Army fights because it either wins or it dies.
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Oh my god. Give it a rest.
Nobody cares dude.
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Punish Russia today because of.... Stalin????
Why are you hyperventilating about WWII? That's like hyperventilating about Confederate generals, for god's sake! You're just trying to drum up outrage by linking current events to past personalities, as if there was some sort of connection.
Seriously, dood. You pretend to be a realist but you're living in some other world.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Punish Russia today because of.... Stalin????
Why are you hyperventilating about WWII? That's like hyperventilating about Confederate generals, for god's sake! You're just trying to drum up outrage by linking current events to past personalities, as if there was some sort of connection.
Seriously, dood. You pretend to be a realist but you're living in some other world.
Why not comrade? Putin is a Stalinist and is following in his footsteps. And since you are Putins’ champion here, you must be too.
It takes a lunatic piece of shit to be a lunatic piece of shit, aye comrade signym?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Kiev surrounded, says the mayor.
https://california18.com/live-kiev-surrounded-follow-the-news-of-the-w
ar-in-ukraine/3558542022/
Not anymore comrade. What do you think went wrong? Too funny...
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Quote:The same bad old ideas keep repeating in history. By 1950, a total of at least 12 million Germans had fled or been expelled from east-central Europe by Stalin. This was AFTER WWII had ended. Those fleeing Germans were not paid for their real estate. The new owners got the land for free. About 6 million Ukrainians have fled their country. They won't be paid for their real estate. The new owners will get the land for free. But if Putin loses his war, he won't have free real estate to give away to loyal Russians.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Punish Russia today because of.... Stalin????
Why are you hyperventilating about WWII? That's like hyperventilating about Confederate generals, for god's sake! You're just trying to drum up outrage by linking current events to past personalities, as if there was some sort of connection.
Seriously, dood. You pretend to be a realist but you're living in some other world.
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germa
ns_(1944%E2%80%931950)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Putin Isn’t the Only Autocrat Misusing History
The Russian leader’s invasion of Ukraine is founded on a false retelling of history. He’s not the only strongman revising the past.
Katie Stallard writes:
The Russian president is the latest in a long line of dictators to manipulate history and manufacture enemies to rally the population against and secure his own hold on power. Past Soviet leaders have drawn on the same core themes, and I have seen this playbook in action in China and North Korea, where Xi Jinping and Kim Jong Un insist that they too are defending their nations against hostile foreign adversaries.
Yet we must not assume that this autocratic rewriting of history, driven largely by a desire to consolidate power, affects only a dictator’s domestic population (though it does). In fact, these retellings matter far beyond, encompassing expansive territorial ambitions and aggressive foreign policies that threaten neighboring democracies, such as Taiwan, South Korea, Japan—and Ukraine—and whip up nationalist fervor against the United States and its allies.
As Putin is currently demonstrating, these questionable historical narratives in faraway autocracies are a problem for democracies too.
During his “re-education” in Nineteen Eighty-Four, George Orwell’s protagonist, Winston Smith, is asked to repeat the Party’s slogan about the past. “Who controls the past controls the future,” he responds obediently. “Who controls the present controls the past.” Though their individual approaches to controlling that past differ significantly, Putin, Xi, and Kim share an obsession that Orwell would have recognized.
Since he first came to power more than two decades ago, Putin has elevated the memory of the Soviet victory in the Great Patriotic War, as World War II is referred to in Russia, to the status of a national religion and positioned himself as the heir to that legacy, and the tireless defender of Russia and Russians everywhere against their contemporary threats. He calls the Ukrainian leadership “fascists” to remind his compatriots of the enemy they faced, insisting that they are confronting a resurgent menace.
He does not, however, invoke the terror and the strategic blunders that the country’s wartime leader Joseph Stalin committed. Instead, Putin has sealed off the official version of history from scrutiny, passing new laws that make it a criminal offense to challenge the authorities’ account or to question the true scale of Soviet heroism. He has also closed down independent organizations that sought to preserve the memory of Soviet-era atrocities. He is interested in remembering only the aspects of history that serve his current political needs.
More at https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/russia-propaganda-in
fluences-north-korea-china/629627/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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